S.S. Valiant Appearance

[Warped9]

looking at this design there are couple of small things I should change. The landing winglets don't really mesh with the overall look. I could make the underside a bit flatter to look a bit more like a re-entry type design. And the aft engine setup can be better. I think the rest is fine.

That said I don't know when I'll revisit this because I want to get back to my previous parade of spaceships project.

 

[B.J.]

Hard to get a good read on that shuttlecraft. I think the main disconnect between it and the Valiant for me are the aft engines. Why would the shuttle have a different and seemingly more advanced engine?

 

[Warped9]

Hard to get a good read on that shuttlecraft. I think the main disconnect between it and the Valiant for me are the aft engines. Why would the shuttle have a different and seemingly more advanced engine?

My Valiant design is far more advanced than anything we can likely expect by mid century, but then the DY-100 was far more advanced than what was possible for the 1990s. The point is TOS' universe is not ours and contemporary Trek fell down by trying to shoehorn our reality into Trek's. And so I ignore adhering strictly to what our reality would dictate because it doesn't gel with what Trek and more particularly TOS has already shown us.

The big engine at the back of the Valiant isn't a rocket engine in the conventional sense. It's one of the early forms of impulse (which possibly came into use around TOS' 2018) but on a big scale in relation to the rest of the ship. In contrast note how small the impulse engines are on TOS era ships and shuttlecraft. The Valiant's impulse drive (and Kirk in WNMHGB did say the Valiant had impulse engines) can drive the ship to near the speed of light if needed, but it is a secondary drive. The Enterprise's impulse can do the same thing, but look how much smaller (in relation to the size of the ship) and faster reacting they are, too.

 

[sojourner]

^For that I cheat. I create an exhaust shaped object, make it semi-transparent in whatever color I desire, then add an object inside with an emitter.

And that gives you the nuance illusion of a flame? Himm, I'll have to try that.

Well, less flame, and more exhaust like.

 

[Warped9]

^For that I cheat. I create an exhaust shaped object, make it semi-transparent in whatever color I desire, then add an object inside with an emitter.

And that gives you the nuance illusion of a flame? Himm, I'll have to try that.

Well, less flame, and more exhaust like.

Cool. I'll try that.

 

[aridas sofia]

This is the sort of thing I was thinking of, designed by Matt Jefferies himself:

http://www.projectrho.com/SSC/Pegasus03.jpg

It has some of the "lifting body" look about it while retaining a link to the "rocket look" of your Valiant.

A view showing the rear details:

http://www.projectrho.com/SSC/War_of_the_Worlds-11.jpg

 

[Warped9]

^^ I'm getting a "forbidden" message when I click on those links.

 

[Redfern]

Just add a qusetion mark to the end of URL and hit "enter" again.

Sincerely,

Bill

 

[Warped9]

This is the sort of thing I was thinking of, designed by Matt Jefferies himself:

http://www.projectrho.com/SSC/Pegasus03.jpg

It has some of the "lifting body" look about it while retaining a link to the "rocket look" of your Valiant.

A view showing the rear details:

http://www.projectrho.com/SSC/War_of_the_Worlds-11.jpg

Hmm. Not hugely different from the revised idea I have in mind. I think the crew needs something larger though. If you don't have transporters and you might be going down to some surfaces for survey then you need to be able to bring your equipment and supplies with you because you can't conveniently beam stuff up and down.

 

[aridas sofia]

Yeah, I agree. I'd think that as a Valiant shuttle it would be scaled up, if for no other reason than the earlier technology might take more room than say, Galileo.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

The big engine at the back of the Valiant isn't a rocket engine in the conventional sense. It's one of the early forms of impulse (which possibly came into use around TOS' 2018) but on a big scale in relation to the rest of the ship.

Kind of like the 'Mystery Ship' from ENT's opening credits (the one that appears right before the Phoenix)?

 

[Warped9]

^^ I have no idea since I'm not that familiar with ENT's sense of tech. The series essentially doesn't register with me.

 

[Warped9]

I've been thinking about this and the landing craft is something I'm going to set aside for awhile to move on (or back) to other things. The Valiant was the main thing and I pushed it farther than I had originally planned.

 

[Warped9]

 

[sojourner]

nice image! the spatial anomaly seems to be affecting the text.

 

[Warped9]

I made the text a bit transparent.

 

[aridas sofia]

I think he means that you repeated "becomes" and ended the sentence with a comma instead of a period.

 

[Warped9]

I think he means that you repeated "becomes" and ended the sentence with a comma instead of a period.

Oh...

 

[Warped9]

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[STRenegade]

I actually got an idea for one of these ships using the ring idea you have here, but it also includes the warp nacelles. Explanation to come later as I'm tired and it's late here.