Rumor: ‘Star Trek 3′ to Feel Like ‘Guardians of the Galaxy
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GotG was a lot of fun, and we can't have that in a Star Trek movie. It's not true to the spirit of the show. No, if you want awesome comedy in a Star Trek movie, let's call that brilliant Joe Piscopo. There's no way that will go wrong. You'll see.
Sorry, J. But I'm a noid.
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Hilarious. True Star Trek. True spirit of Star Trek, my friend.
You know, I will say this: Whoopi Goldberg should have yelled at somebody for that one. She's a funny, funny lady, but if I were her, I would have mentioned something about "this is bullshit".
What an awful, awful joke. Yet, this is what some people want. Over on Facebook, people are decrying J.J. (of course) talking about how his brand of humor just doesn't "belong" in the Star Trek universe, and don't mention TOS, which did use slapstick, because THAT. is. DIFFERENT. SIR.
Well we have had silly Star Trek for a while now. I would much prefer for Star Trek to do a serious science fiction story rather than a wacky sci-fi action/comedy, but that's not going to happen in a big budget blockbuster. I'll still enjoy a more comedic Star Trek film if it's done well, but I understand where the OP is coming from.
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The Abrams films do use more comedy, but that's because a surgical operation removed the stick from the collective asses of the people who financed the films. Now it seems they want to push that comedy a little further, which is fine. I don't like any sci-fi franchise to take itself too seriously, lest we all suddenly realize we're watching a fantasy movie about people in space tights fighting space things with space weapons on their space ship.
You forgot to add in "Shut up" at the end of that line about TOS
Also, maybe ST3 will be like GOTG in that Zoe Saldana will be in it. Anyone think about that?
It's not a superhero movie. GOTG is actually the first Marvel film to venture into the space opera genre. Heck, it's the first successful space opera film that is NOT something from either STAR TREK or STAR WARS. I dunno if GOTG has "awesome" writing, but it's certainly better written than a lot of the Trek films from the past.
Should Trek be more like GOTG? It's kind of funny how we have yet ANOTHER space opera franchise that studios want to emulate. First STAR WARS, and now GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY, and they're both more in the vein of FLASH GORDON.
No, I think Trek should stay as its own thing and really make it its own strength. And what I mean by that is that it should stay on TV. The film series is not very representative of what Trek is capable of.
I don't think most folks who decry Abrams are really asking for "The Outrageous Okona". Nobody wants that. It's rather silly to suggest that's what critics of nuTrek want.
Hmm, let's see.
Guardians of the Galaxy had:
heroic figures (check)
wonder (those "strange new worlds" and such...check)
action (check)
adventure (check)
comedy (check)
...sounds all like things that would be right at home in a Star Trek film.
Guardians of the Galaxy had:
heroic figures (check)
wonder (those "strange new worlds" and such...check)
action (check)
adventure (check)
comedy (check)
...sounds all like things that would be right at home in a Star Trek film.
I bet in a few weeks we get a rumor that after the success of Interstellar the Trek producers want a serious gritty real science movie instead.
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You forgot to add in "Shut up" at the end of that line about TOS
It's pronounced "shaddap", like the way the gangsters say it, and if you want a piece of the action, you'll say it that way, too!
Zoe Saldana.
I didn't suggest it, only gave an example of the kind of humor we got with modern Trek. As much as I love TNG, when it came to outright humor, they frequently dropped the ball. The people of the 24th century were stodgy, pretentious, and sometimes downright unbearable. The humor suffered for it. If I had to describe the humor of TNG, and VOY, it would be milquetoast. DS9 did a little better, but that's because the humans were more human. ENT did alright, though poor writing in many seasons did it in as well.
TOS knew how to do humor, but then the people of TOS were more human than anyone else, because it was before Gene Roddenberry (may he rest in peace) had swallowed his own line of bull about evolved sensibilities.
The Abrams films call back to the original series, in color, in style, in humanity, in humor, and they do it well. The course the series is on can continue and be very profitable, but not only that, it adds to an already strong legacy that the original series carved out.
Despite the anguish and suffering it seems to cause by a select number of folks, these people are Kirk, Spock, McCoy, Uhura, and all the others.
Great movie, not Star Trek though.
Orci possibly wanted to do a fairly respectable serious celebration movie with occasional humour - 70% serious/30% fun (like VI, and maybe ST09/STID) but it sounds Paramount is wanting a more Guardians style fun filled romp, far more so than the previous 2 films - 30% serious/70% fun (like IV)
Maybe it is time to go that way what with it being the 50th...(e.g. a more horror style Borg invasion movie probably isn't the way to go for this movie)
Maybe it is time to go that way what with it being the 50th...(e.g. a more horror style Borg invasion movie probably isn't the way to go for this movie)
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The Enterprise crew were briefly a band of GotG-style outlaws, in STIII and IV. I used to wonder that Trek would have been like had they run with it, rather than hit the reset button.
yes that's quite true
I've wondered that too (if they'd done a 'renegade' movie for IV, then TVH for V)
http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=251566
If they had gone that route, the franchise might have grown from being a product enjoyed by a fanbase to a product enjoyed by both fans and non-fans. Star Trek IV had the highest gross domestically of the first four films. It had all the elements of the Guardians of the Galaxy, plus it was successful at conveying a pro-environmental message. Both films had a good simple cohesive story structure.
The films have fallen into a rut into storytelling. The last three or four films have revenge as the motivation of the villain. How about next time the villain has another motivation?
The films have fallen into a rut into storytelling. The last three or four films have revenge as the motivation of the villain. How about next time the villain has another motivation?
If at the end of "Into Darkness" they started their 5 year mission, then give us an exploration story, 'ala an episode from TOS expanded to movie scope. Romulans, Klingons, starbases...give us this.
As for the Marvel thing...to this day I have no clue why they make so much money. The first Iron Man was entertaining and fun, but it was still mediocre and nothing special. Every Marvel movie since then has been mediocre and nothing special. How on earth do they continue to set box office records? It used to be that a movie needed to be a true spectacle, or something unique to make a lot of money. Nowadays any silly comic book movie is guaranteed to make at least $250m. It boggles my mind.
As for the Marvel thing...to this day I have no clue why they make so much money. The first Iron Man was entertaining and fun, but it was still mediocre and nothing special. Every Marvel movie since then has been mediocre and nothing special. How on earth do they continue to set box office records? It used to be that a movie needed to be a true spectacle, or something unique to make a lot of money. Nowadays any silly comic book movie is guaranteed to make at least $250m. It boggles my mind.
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