I was considering defending the story because I didn't completely hate it, but really, I got nothing... I can't dispute any of that really. That pretty much sums it up.
RTD Style Daleks Coming Back!
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I was considering defending the story because I didn't completely hate it, but really, I got nothing... I can't dispute any of that really. That pretty much sums it up.
My personal theory is that Moffett saw them onscreen and came to the same conclusion as most of us. 'Dear God, those look like arse.' (or whatever they say in the UK) 
Would certainly explain why they were only ever shown from the front for the series finale.
But like someone said up-thread, I don't care as long as they're still around. It seemed rather stupid to me anyway, with a show as budget conscious as DW to just toss out all those perfectly servicable RTD era casings. Just repaint'em give them a color stripe and be done with it.
The 'new' Daleks are simply the 'High Council' is all.
Would certainly explain why they were only ever shown from the front for the series finale.But like someone said up-thread, I don't care as long as they're still around. It seemed rather stupid to me anyway, with a show as budget conscious as DW to just toss out all those perfectly servicable RTD era casings. Just repaint'em give them a color stripe and be done with it.
The 'new' Daleks are simply the 'High Council' is all.
A lot of them around now have ATMS or internet connections in them. They still don't get used by anyone. Though I suppose at least if the TARDIS were one of these, the Doctor could make a lot of money out of it.
Dreadful idea to even consider replacing the blue box, and let us hope no fool ever does. I would accept at most a one-off episode where the chameleon circuit is temporarily fixed and a new form gets taken for a bit... but haven't they done that already in the classic series?
That seems to be the state of things everywhere nowadays. I had to make a call awhile back and had to try 4 different public phones before I found one that worked.
I also neglected to mention how stupid it is that this magic bollocks machine needed to hear some bloke who could be anyone say "YOU ARE THE DAR-LEKS!!" before it would do its job. I mean, bloody hell. They may as well have said "Extermin - I mean, please read this card!". I remember Victory was the story I was most looking forward to before series 5 started, especially as someone who wasn't Davies or Raynor would be writing the Daleks and Gatiss at least delivered with The Unquiet Dead if not The Idiot's Lantern. The idea of the Daleks secretly working for Churchill was very promising too. Instead we got something perhaps worse even than the RTD Dalek-ruiners.
As I recall, the Sixth Doctor got around to fixing it in Attack of the Cybermen, but changed it back because it was tricky finding the door while it was an organ. I think the circuit got broken again in the story. Or something.
Back in the very old days, phone boxes used to have phone directory books in. That kind of thing wouldn't last five minutes these days. Bloody uncivilised reprobates ruining society for the nice people.
There are days where the heavens rage, and the Earth trembles, as Bones and I wage our EPIC! struggle. And then there are days like today, where I stare him in the eye and must admit he only speaks the truth...
Guess that's what Gatiss gets for trying to use a RTD-era script in the Moffat-era of better plots...
Don't they say that the Daleks defeated them in Resurrection of the Daleks? They left behind those virus canisters, though.
I had a thought about the new dalek-RTD dalek issue. My personal theory is that it was Moff's intention to completely replace the gunmetal daleks with the Power Rangers daleks, which are more in keeping with his fairytale theme for the show.
What I think happened is that the new daleks didn't go over nearly as well as he thought they would, so he decided to bring back the old style daleks and keep the Power Rangers daleks as an officer class.
He said himself in a recent interview that he'd intended all along that there would be two classes of daleks: the classic Daleks and an officer class. I think that may have been a bit of face saving on his part (this is common in the business), but its fine with me, either way.
Personally, I like the basic concept of a revamped, bulkier, beefier, more menacing looking dalek, but they lost me when they introduced the Fisher Price color scheme.
Still, we won't be seeing them this coming year, so it's sort of a moot point.
What I think happened is that the new daleks didn't go over nearly as well as he thought they would, so he decided to bring back the old style daleks and keep the Power Rangers daleks as an officer class.
He said himself in a recent interview that he'd intended all along that there would be two classes of daleks: the classic Daleks and an officer class. I think that may have been a bit of face saving on his part (this is common in the business), but its fine with me, either way.
Personally, I like the basic concept of a revamped, bulkier, beefier, more menacing looking dalek, but they lost me when they introduced the Fisher Price color scheme.
Still, we won't be seeing them this coming year, so it's sort of a moot point.
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Personally, I like the basic concept of a revamped, bulkier, beefier, more menacing looking dalek, but they lost me when they introduced the Fisher Price color scheme.
Still, we won't be seeing them this coming year, so it's sort of a moot point.
For my money, the Daleks have only ever been genuinely menacing in "Dalek."
The bright colours are fine with me. Even the basic design is ok, imo - though I can see why others dislike it.
And most of that came from the fact that this was one of the rare moments where the Doctor was practically shitting his pants with fear.
Most of that is fairly standard issue modern Doctor Who cheesiness.
As for the few improbably surviving Daleks, I'll agree this is a problem. However, I applaud "Victory of the Daleks" for being the only modern Dalek story to bring the Daleks back without wiping them all out at the end.
It's not a great episode but I've seen far worse. (I.e. "Love & Monsters," "Fear Her," "The End of Time.")
I actually really like the color scheme-- it's fun, and the Daleks always have had an element of fun.
It's the damn hunchback that's the problem.
It's the damn hunchback that's the problem.
For me, it wasn't about the way the Doctor felt about them. It had to do with the way the Dalek was filmed.
It was so still. It would sit there, absolutely still, not moving, even when it was talking. None of this "shake the eye stalk up and down as it talks" nonsense. The Dalek did not bounce as it moved as though it only weighed as much as a guy sitting inside a thing made of plastic. When that Dalek moved, it looked like it was heavy. Between the way it moved and the way it was painted, it honestly looked like it was made of metal and weighed a shit tone.
And not only that, but it acted like a battle tank rather than a thing with a guy in it. The middle section would move 180 degrees even as the battle tank's top section still. You know, like it was a battle tank with a small creature operating it rather than a plastic scooter with a guy in it.
All that, combined with the extreme close-ups, helped emphasize how truly alien the Daleks are, and how truly robotic their battle tanks are. The stillness of it, the eye the eye would just stare without moving...
It was genuinely unsettling.
The Daleks haven't been that menacing since.
The more I think about it the more I think it isn't so much the colour or the design, but the colour and the design taken togeather.
Old style Daleks repainted or a new design in more subdued tones might have worked, it's probably just too much change at once.
The petrified Dalek didn't look as annoying, but that might have been down to how they filmed it!
And Sci, can't find a lot of fault with what you've said...although I have to say that the sight of two members of the Cult of Skaro being all shifty and looking over their shoulders in the sewer was hilarious
Cool, i loved the new re-design. Simple but extreme at the same time. Just brought the details out a little and roughed them up a little. The dirty gold and blacks looking just like metal was another good touch rather than the clean plastic looking ones of old.
I dont mind The Moff Daleks though, its like said up the thread, its the damn hunchback thing theyve added. Screws up the look.
I have agree totally on that one.
When the daleks were announced to be returning, this was the first episode to feature a single, lone Dalek. Not a fleet, not an army not even a cult. just one, thats all there was, and the fact that the new design and CG elements allowed it to move all parts independantly from each other as a litteral battle tank was creepifiying. The sound effects were even heavy and low toned to give the appearence of size.
It set the tone to a new type of dalek, and actual warrior that not only looked heavy and menacing, but 'acted' in a cold and less emotional way. And possibly due to budget reasons, we never saw, unless i missed it somewhere in a dalek battle or long shot of CG daleks, rotating the middle section while looking elsewhere, we never saw this aspect again.
Shame that we got shakey Daleks back after so many years, wouldve loved to see a constant 'heavy set' dalek that didnt throw tantrums and shake.
I dont mind The Moff Daleks though, its like said up the thread, its the damn hunchback thing theyve added. Screws up the look.
I have agree totally on that one.
When the daleks were announced to be returning, this was the first episode to feature a single, lone Dalek. Not a fleet, not an army not even a cult. just one, thats all there was, and the fact that the new design and CG elements allowed it to move all parts independantly from each other as a litteral battle tank was creepifiying. The sound effects were even heavy and low toned to give the appearence of size.
It set the tone to a new type of dalek, and actual warrior that not only looked heavy and menacing, but 'acted' in a cold and less emotional way. And possibly due to budget reasons, we never saw, unless i missed it somewhere in a dalek battle or long shot of CG daleks, rotating the middle section while looking elsewhere, we never saw this aspect again.
Shame that we got shakey Daleks back after so many years, wouldve loved to see a constant 'heavy set' dalek that didnt throw tantrums and shake.
And possibly due to budget reasons, we never saw, unless i missed it somewhere in a dalek battle or long shot of CG daleks, rotating the middle section while looking elsewhere, we never saw this aspect again.
Yeah, it's only CG Daleks in long shot that have done it since- the sort of "sergeant" Daleks watching the lines of flying Daleks coming out of the saucers in Parting Of The Ways definitely do it, and I think a few background CG Daleks in TSE/JE do as well.
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