RTD Style Daleks Coming Back!

[EJA]

It still seems a bit dumb for me, considering all the hype that was made over these being the next generation, ultimate Daleks, and showing them destroying the earlier ones.

 

[Guartho]

Ok, I know I'm new to Who, but frankly, I'm tired of Daleks. I'd be happy if they only dusted them off once a season, if that, and never used them in a finale again.

 

[Kelso]

They should just stick with the new ones.

 

[C.E. Evans]

Personally, I've always liked the idea that there were different models of Daleks out there. Even before "Victory of the Daleks," we already had a story where there were different colored Daleks together, so the idea of an officer class Dalek is very cool with me...

Except the whole point of VOTD was that the Daleks we had seen since DW has returned were "unpure" inferior Daleks and this was the return of the real thing. They RTD ones were literally exterminated out of the series on screen.

But as this is Doctor Who, things are always subject to change. Indeed, it's the only constant.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

Except the whole point of VOTD was that the Daleks we had seen since DW has returned were "unpure" inferior Daleks and this was the return of the real thing. They RTD ones were literally exterminated out of the series on screen.

Really it's what is inside that is unpure. They made it seem like the casing & the blob inside are one and the same.

I mean, the Daleks that were in the void ship were pure ones, right? From the time-war.

Then the Davros & "human" based versions were the unpure ones.

 

[David cgc]

I had though this was going to happen a while ago, after seeing a picture of an RTD Dalek (casing) done up in new-Dalek colors. But I was never able to find it again. It was probably a fan job, anyway.

Likewise, just because they're using the older casing doesn't mean they wouldn't have brand-new progenetorized Dalek mutants driving them. I mean, where would they find more Davros or human-bred Daleks, anyway?

 

[wamdue]

I had though this was going to happen a while ago, after seeing a picture of an RTD Dalek (casing) done up in new-Dalek colors. But I was never able to find it again. It was probably a fan job, anyway.

Likewise, just because they're using the older casing doesn't mean they wouldn't have brand-new progenetorized Dalek mutants driving them. I mean, where would they find more Davros or human-bred Daleks, anyway?

this is a good point.

I always wanted to know what the Progenetor Daleks would make of Dalek Sec.

 

[Sci]

So we'll have pure, New Paradigm Daleks using the old Time War-era battle tanks.

I don't see what the inconsistency is.

 

[The]

So we'll have pure, New Paradigm Daleks using the old Time War-era battle tanks.

I don't see what the inconsistency is.

 

[Admiral_Young]

Yeah I agree with Sci's statement. Don't see why there always has to be absolutes.

 

[Candlelight]

There has always been a Dalek High Council, as mentioned in stories like Planet of the Daleks.

The Paradigm become the new council, with the RTD Daleks the rank and file.

I guess led by the Red Drone Dalek.

 

[Admiral_Young]

I read something recently that the New Dalek Paradigm (aka Power Ranger Daleks) are just a new officer corps that was created. As long as the Daleks have the capability to time travel they will always be an important factor in the Doctor Who universe. That being said I wouldn't mind a series without them.

 

[The Borgified Corpse]

So we'll have pure, New Paradigm Daleks using the old Time War-era battle tanks.

I don't see what the inconsistency is.

Yeah. If they feel the need to explain it, they can add some throw-away line about "enhanced battle casings" or something like that. It's really just a design change that made "Victory of the Daleks" so irksome, not the plot.

Frankly, I was never 100% happy with the RTD era Dalek design. I thought that design looked best in the beginning of "Dalek" when it was all scuffed & dinged up. I didn't care for it as much once the Dalek regenerated after Rose touched it. Making it more worn & damaged makes it look more plausible, particularly considering it's a design that you'd never get away with today if it weren't based on a 1960s concept.

 

[wamdue]

particularly considering it's a design that you'd never get away with today if it weren't based on a 1960s concept.

I think that is very short sighted, do you think Doctor Who would have come back if the BBC had taken that attitude?

Same obviously for the TARDIS, however I could believe a red phone box might have worked well if the show was being developed new in 2004/2005

 

[Mr Awe]

I'm just happy that they listened and took the audience's feedback to heart.

Mr Awe

 

[The]

I'm just happy that they listened and took the audience's feedback to heart.

Mr Awe

THANK YOU!

 

[The Borgified Corpse]

particularly considering it's a design that you'd never get away with today if it weren't based on a 1960s concept.

I think that is very short sighted, do you think Doctor Who would have come back if the BBC had taken that attitude?

Same obviously for the TARDIS, however I could believe a red phone box might have worked well if the show was being developed new in 2004/2005

I'm saying that the BBC didn't take that attitude for the 2005 series. They decided to honor the established icons of the original series, something that probably wouldn't have happened had the 1996 movie spawned a series. (They were developing all sorts of potential Dalek redesigns, I think usually as more of a spidery exoskeleton.) From a design change perspective, the Daleks could have been Doctor Who's answer to the Klingons.

But even then, there were limits. I doubt they ever considered using the classic white TARDIS control room. (As for making it a police box/phone booth on the outside, that's just part of the brilliant bigger on the inside concept.)

 

[Bones2]

Yeah. If they feel the need to explain it, they can add some throw-away line about "enhanced battle casings" or something like that. It's really just a design change that made "Victory of the Daleks" so irksome, not the plot.

Really? Some Daleks who happen to have survived despite the fact they've supposedly all been wiped out about 3 or 4 times now find a magic nonsense that makes them grow new ones that come out of the cheapest looking ship interior in possibly either the new or classic series like it's a fucking car show with a smoke machine, they've put a magic bomb in a robot man which you can disarm if you make him cry, Churchill is twice as fat as he should be, Spitfires manage to fly into space in about 3 minutes with their new plot convenient magic technology, and then the Daleks' other plan is to get Britain bombed by remote-controlling the lights on because Gatiss has never heard of the term "blackout curtain". It's one of the most embarrassing things Doctor Who's ever done. Bit of a shame really, considering how promising the first 10 or so minutes were.

Same obviously for the TARDIS, however I could believe a red phone box might have worked well if the show was being developed new in 2004/2005

A red phone box is far too small and has clear windows. Besides, no one in 2004/05 is bright enough to come up with something as brillant a concept as Doctor Who (least of all Russell T Davies). Look at the other British attempts to make a sci-fi kind of show: Primeval, Demons (I think it was called that, some dismal ITV rubbish with Gene Hunt doing a yank accent), Bonekickers, Torchwood, probably some others I've done my best to forget. They've all been embarrassing and not fit to lick the Doctor Who concept's brogues.

 

[Starkers]

^Plus its worth remembering that red phone boxes have been defunt for quite some time now, so to a lot of children (unless they've seen some of the ones still dotted around) they have as much revelance as a blue police box.

 

[Bones2]

Aye, that too. It's rare these days that you even see those BT ones where the phone's rarely working and the receiver smells of piss. Or maybe now we all have mobiles, I just don't look for or notice them.