Seriously? I LOVED that episode! But then I love watching Jeff getting himself into ridiculous situations just by letting his mouth run.
RTD address criticism about his writing style
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The epiosde is funny, it's just a bit hard to rewatch knowing the mess Jeff's getting himself into. Never sure which is his funnier mess, that or the false leg episode. Series 4 was poor, although it does have its moments once they stop trying to make Oliver JEff. I think they'd have been better brining in Jane's religious boyfriend, would have changed the dynamic a lot. Having some Welsh woman as an imagininary Jeff in the last ep is possible a Moffat low point.
Sci, for some reason I can never bring myself to love TGITFP as much as many people, the worst thing is I couldn't quite tell you why. Still think Moffat's Who low point is the Forest of the Dead. So much set up in the first episode lost for me. Still even his poor episodes have been very enjoyable so I'm looking forward to 6 episodes, readily expecting at least one to be crap but by the same token 2/3 will be brilliant. An acceptable trade off...
Sci, for some reason I can never bring myself to love TGITFP as much as many people, the worst thing is I couldn't quite tell you why. Still think Moffat's Who low point is the Forest of the Dead. So much set up in the first episode lost for me. Still even his poor episodes have been very enjoyable so I'm looking forward to 6 episodes, readily expecting at least one to be crap but by the same token 2/3 will be brilliant. An acceptable trade off...
False leg, easily. Poor Jeff. He could have had a threesome but he one too many legs.
False leg, easily. Poor Jeff. He could have had a threesome but he one too many legs.
Love the bit where he's hitting his leg "You evil, evil, evil, evil bastard!"
Can't agree with that - she was hilarious. "Touch them Steve! Touch them!"
The low point was probably the 3rd episode of series 4, with the Coupling game in the forest. It's marginally funnier than the episode before it, but that one has the Dalek and the carwash dream and is thus exempt from any criticism
Can't agree with that - she was hilarious. "Touch them Steve! Touch them!"
The low point was probably the 3rd episode of series 4, with the Coupling game in the forest. It's marginally funnier than the episode before it, but that one has the Dalek and the carwash dream and is thus exempt from any criticism
"Touch my milky stallions"
Series 4 wasn't as good as the rest, and definitely improved when Oliver became his own character and not just Jeff's replacement.
I just found the setup so obvious-- as soon as they go into showing her point of view, the jokes become entirely predictable. It would work if it was short conversation, but it's way too stretched out. The false leg episode, on the other hand, was comedy gold.False leg, easily. Poor Jeff. He could have had a threesome but he one too many legs.
(I haven't actually seen Series 4, I'll admit.)
Can't agree with that - she was hilarious. "Touch them Steve! Touch them!"
The low point was probably the 3rd episode of series 4, with the Coupling game in the forest. It's marginally funnier than the episode before it, but that one has the Dalek and the carwash dream and is thus exempt from any criticism
The carwash dream is fantastic, although Moffat should remember his previous episodes. I mean Patrick patently said he didn't have a subconsious after all
I like the Coupling Game one, mainly it must be said for Kate Isett dressed up all medieval and for the happy trotting elf song...
A 900-year-old guy in a time travelling phone box is plausible?
People comparing RTD's writing to fan fiction have obviously never read any Doctor Who fan fiction. There is some shit out there that makes RTD look like Tolstoy - all of it written by "fans" who think they can write a better story than Davies, and some of whom have the temerity to actually say so.
You might not like RTDs writing, but comparing his output to fan fiction is a very poorly researched argument. Oh wait, I'm on the internet....
Having a fantastical concept doesn't mean it's not bound by some laws of dramatic plausibility, logic or verisimilitude.
Having a fantastical concept doesn't mean it's not bound by some laws of dramatic plausibility, logic or verisimilitude.
Well, that depends upon the show's operating conceits, now doesn't it? If it's meant to make you really believe in a man who can change his face traveling through time and space in a magic machine, then, sure, it needs to maintain a certain level of verisimilitude. If, on the other hand, it's meant to just be a fun rump, then it has no particular need to adhere to the modified tenets of Realism-Naturalism that we often see in television science fiction.
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Even if it's just a "fun romp", "a wizard did it" is bloody distracting.
Even if it's just a "fun romp", "a wizard did it" is bloody distracting.
Just like the "God Did It" shit in BSG.
To you. That's subjective, though. If I'm watching "The Shakespeare Code," I have no problem with "a wizard did it." If I'm watching "Human Nature," I want something more substantial.
And to me, that's the wonderful thing about Doctor Who -- it can do both!
Oh Sci, I expected so much better from you.
Yup, that's my opinion officer. Says my name next to the post and everythin' guv!
Joking aside I see what you're saying, but when any drama pulls a plot resolution out of its ass without setting one up, I'm unimpressed. Doesn't matter if it's a dry courtroom soap opera or a cock-out-mental Japanese RPG with walking earlobes for baddies.
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A practically immortal face changer who travels around in a four dimensional hypership that can go anywhere, anywhen, and can drag planets does not for a realistic show make, but however that said many of RTD's scripts still came across as a bit too guady and clumsy. And towards the end of his tenure RTD was getting a bit too burned and rather repetivive (a enjoyable story as "The End of Time" mostly was he still abrubtly brought back and then shooed away the Big Bad in under ten minutes, only this time the Big Bad were Time Lords instead of Daleks).
And the overuse of the Sonic Screwdriver has gotten annoying, its become a handwaving plot device much like teleporters and tricorders from Star Trek or James Bond's gadgets, and even Steven Moffat overly relies upon it, let alone the other writers (but RTD contrived to null its "do anything" effects through breaking and applying another McGuffin, the Deadlock Seal).
And the overuse of the Sonic Screwdriver has gotten annoying, its become a handwaving plot device much like teleporters and tricorders from Star Trek or James Bond's gadgets, and even Steven Moffat overly relies upon it, let alone the other writers (but RTD contrived to null its "do anything" effects through breaking and applying another McGuffin, the Deadlock Seal).
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