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Rooted in realism: Ideas for a more likely series six

Quinton O'Connor

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Trek fandom is filled to the brim with ideas fantastical, far and wide. Perhaps stretching the mind in more ways than anything in the franchise itself has ever done, we Trekkies have scratched our brains for the most awesome, the most outrageous, the most downright impossible things we'll probably never see on the small screen. (Or the big screen for that matter.)

Most thoughts on where the franchise can go from here have been tempered by the forge of realism; 'don't count on it' is the popular motto when voicing concern for how unlikely many suggestions have been. The television industry is a cold place where ideas are shot down mercilessly if they don't make money. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that -- it is what it is what it is -- but it weeds out the vast majority of more unique creative musings before they ever reach the potential for a production stage.

So I've created this thread to discuss what the most likely things we'd see in a sixth television series would be. When facing that forge of realism, what do you think has the highest chance of success in today's television world? What do you think the core elements would be; would it be a ship, a station or something else altogether? What sort of crew do you envision? What century, hell, what timeline is this taking place in? Are there any cameos you can imagine weaving into the tapestry nicely and grabbing ratings? What hurdles do you foresee? Who won last night's lottery?

For my money, I'd say the most likely product would be something tied into the current film franchise with occasional cameos by Enterprise crew. It wouldn't be too hard to get John Cho a recurring role as Sulu, for example.

The show would most definitely be set on a ship, most definitely exploring with a most assuredly primarily-human crew. Why these parameters? Well, the ship thing is classic Trek and can be sold as a big revival of the 'glory days' of the franchise. The exploration thing is classic Trek, too. And the primarily-human crew would be less of a potential turn-off to a lot of selective viewers who would rather see compelling human characters tackling decidedly galactic stuff for greater cast association.

It would also harbor a strong sense of continuity; despite its exploration premise it would hold a multitude of well-paced arcs in the background. Modern viewers aren't nearly so stupid as some like to say. LOST was a hit for this kind of thing and if it isn't too intrusive, it can be done here as well.

It should be clear the goal of this thread is not to suggest what you, personally, want to see most. My suggestions are nothing of the sort. My suggestions are what I see as having the largest shot at avoiding cancellation!
 
I'd expect that realistically any new series would be set in the alternate timeline. If they set it in the TOS era to relate it to the popular current movie, they couldn't really use the Enterprise as the main setting, because that's being used. Would the casual audience who flocked to the cinema for Trek XI watch a Trek series without the Enterprise?
I think any new series would want to start fresh, so I'd expect an old fashioned exploration show more like TOS/TNG rather than something like DS9.
And then there might be continuity issues to worry about with the movies.

I'm thinking a reboot of TNG in the alternate universe could work. The entire timeline has been reset, so they are largely freed from canon as XI was. And since TNG is the other popular Trek series, it could find an audience.
 
The TNG remake idea is my personal pick for 'second most likely scenario'. With the remake craze still in full swing lately and enough mainstream viewers familiar with the name 'Picard', I'd give it a decent shot on the right network with the right advertising.
 
The TNG is my pick for most likely scenario, with something in TOS era similar to your suggestion being second. I just think it would be in their best interest to have an Enterprise as the hero ship of the series, and also to distance themselves slightly from the movie so it doesn't feel held back, or feel like a cheap cash-in, while still having a connection to it.

Because it's set pretty far past the divergence point of the timeline split, they can deviate a bit more and make it an entirely new rather than a close remake. They could have the important characters, get rid of Wesley, add a few new characters, have complete freedom to redesign the ship etc.
 
get rid of Wesley,
They should do that and then have Wil Wheaton guest star as someone totally unrelated at some point for the lulz of it all.

Or have him as a main cast member as someone totally unrelated. I want him to play the character of Will Wheaton, the unliked chef. Nobody respects him because all he does is operate a food replicator.
 
Realistically?

I think the next Trek series could be an animated one (either traditional, CGI, or a mixture of the two) set in its own continuity with yet a different take on the early days of Kirk, Spock, and the original Enterprise. I could see this within five years.

My second choice is a live-action sixth series that is a total reboot and tosses out both the prime and alternate universes and starts over with a completely new one from scratch (no time travel, no alternate realities--it would simply be an all-new slate for everyone). I can see this within ten years.
 
I can see it being a completely different cast and crew I wouldn't have thought they'd want to do a reboot of any of the previous series at least not yet lol.

I can see it being an Animated series but I'd prefer a live-action one. I also think it'll be set long after Enterprise was possibly even further than Voyager ? Or not long after Voyager anyway.

Just my two thoughts on a possible 6th series anyway.

As for timelines I've no idea really as long as it's an enjoyable series I wouldn't really care about that lol.

Earliest I can see it is maybe 2015 ? But I think it'll be closer to 2020 just before or after 2020 even at the earliest. Probably not till they've finished making the films with the new look take on the Original series crew anyway.

I think that's about it for now probably missed something out guess wise but that'll do for now lol.
 
The two main characters should be male and female, both extremely attractive, one serious and the other goofy, with a love/hate relationship and sizzling sexual tension.
 
Realistically, the first test the show must pass is to convince the honchos that it's a worthwhile project to fund. CBS has the TV rights, and nobody makes shows for competing outlets anymore, so the show must fit either CBS, Showtime or CW.

CBS' audience doesn't want sci fi and especially not sci fi that has nothing to do with cops. CW's audience of teen girls goes more for supernatural elements and vampires. There's a way to do Star Trek for CW, but it's not what any of us would want to see. ;)

That leaves Showtime as the only sensible option. The biggest obstacle is that premium cable's strategy is to charge premium prices in return for stuff that you can't see anywhere else on TV. Star Trek is associated with "anywhere else on TV." Oops.

Assuming that Showtime somehow decides to ignore that fundamental disconnect because of the allure of a known brand name that has good connotations because of the movie success, what would Star Trek look like on Showtime?

-Lots of sex, swearing and nudity? Maybe not. Premium cable isn't mandated to have NC-17 elements just because they can. Star Trek has been associated with a more restrained broadcast friendly approach, even in movies, where they could just go for an R rating. I'd expect somewhat more sex and nudity, but well short of softcore porn a la The Tudors, and no substantial increase in swearing, which would be a jarring change. In Star Trek, humans just don't seem to have swear words. Like religion, that's just for aliens. But the "prohibition" against gay characters will be dropped. The Showtime audience is sophisticated enough that this won't turn a hair (and also won't find it interesting in and of itself.)

-Lots of violence? This is more likely. Violence would be depicted with more abandon than we've seen on Star Trek previously. Redshirts dying in droves is a long established tradition, and it's not disruptive if they die a bit more messily.

-Back to basics. With space opera almost nonexistent on TV, Showtime's approach is going to be conservative. They're not going to focus on fannish minutae like space medicine or what happens after the Dominion War. It'll be a spaceship going boldly, most likely 23rd C, most likely with your standard American white male human captain in charge, with the diversity happening among the crew and guest aliens.

-Story arcs and thematic complexity. The Showtime audience is used to complex serialized plotlines and capable of grasping thematic development. A wholly episodic series would be too boring for them, reminiscent of the broadcast shows they pay a subscription to avoid. This is where Showtime could really contribute to the resurrection of Star Trek, with character development and space politics that would put even DS9 to shame.

-Abramsverse.
The Showtime audience will either know nothing of Trek, or will have seen Trek XI. The aesthetics will key off Trek XI, and if there are mentions of Vulcans, it will be in the context of a destroyed Vulcan. Obsessive fans will notice which universe the show takes place in, and nobody else will care. The fact that it's in the Abramsverse will make very little difference anyway.
I think the next Trek series could be an animated one

I'd vote for this as likely, too - why couldn't Star Trek follow the footsteps of The Clone Wars? - but I can't envision this airing on CBS, CW or Showtime, and why would CBS make a series for The Cartoon Network, which isn't one of its outlets?
 
Is anyone discounting the idea that it has to be done on network/cable television? I think that there is a possibility of having a sixth series that is completely free to do as it wants (to the extent that it pleases its advertising partners), by running it as a web only show. There are lots of options here, from running it from youtube and having it ad supported but basically free, to running a subscribtion based or pay per episode strategy. Once you get the initial funding and business strategy out of the way, you are free to do it however you like.

That being said, to keep with the theme of this thread, I don't think you could continue the prime universe, unfortunately. Although I like the idea of a TNG reboot from the Abrahmsverse, I don't think that is the direction that Trek will be headed.

I'd like to see almost anything, I'm so ready for new Trek at this point. I think we all don't want to admit what the studio would like to see: Star Trek Academy. Set on Earth, so the production is not as expensive, and only occasionally venturing out into space. I don't want it, but I think that's where it's headed.
 
What about something like Vanguard (which kind of struck me as an attempt to do a DS9 type series in the TOS era) which could easily be set in the alt timeline.
 
Here's what I think will happen realistically.

1. We will not get any new Trek television series until the next two films are done. Which means around 2015 or so.

2. I think the next two films will certainly be successful, but with diminishing returns. By 2015, I think the ride will be over movie-wise.

3. Therefore, Paramount will have all the sets, props, costumes, physical and CGI models, etc. from these movies and nothing to do with them. At the same time, CBS could realize that they could create a Trek series but not have to shell out all that money for the above stuff, because it already exists from the films. They could then make their own nuTOS series for a fraction of the cost of making it from scratch. All they'd have to do is recast the crew again (a la M*A*S*H movie to M*A*S*H TV series) for the small screen.

I truly believe this is the only way Trek will ever return to television.
 
After the next two movies, Paramount will reboot again for more feature films just as is currently being down with Spider-Man and seems to be perpetually in rolling progress with X-Men. :lol:
 
After the next two movies, Paramount will reboot again for more feature films just as is currently being down with Spider-Man and seems to be perpetually in rolling progress with X-Men. :lol:

I wouldn't know; I've never seen any of those films because I'm not a big fan of movies based on Marvel characters. But if they're going to reboot the reboot, then it stands to reason that the "re-reboot" will not be using the same stuff as the previous films, in an attempt to distance it from why they needed to re-reboot in the first place. So there'd still be a lot of leftover crap:)
 
After the next two movies, Paramount will reboot again for more feature films just as is currently being down with Spider-Man and seems to be perpetually in rolling progress with X-Men. :lol:

This for the movie franchise and a thirty minute animated show within the next five years.
 
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