Ah, "too soon" in that sense? I'd agree.
Root of all the ENT bashing/hating?
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Ah, "too soon" in that sense? I'd agree.
I liked Enterprise a lot, particularly during the last two seasons. But it was such a lost opportunity. They could have done so much more with it but Paramount, Berman, and Braga never wanted to deviate from the status quo.
Some were pissed that they "copied" a design from a ship that spent less than 20 seconds onscreen.
This line is just classic. It's Trek fans getting upset over ship design like this that represents Trek fans at the most embarrassing level.
Some were pissed that they "copied" a design from a ship that spent less than 20 seconds onscreen.
This line is just classic. It's Trek fans getting upset over ship design like this that represents Trek fans at the most embarrassing level.
Truer words were never spoken, and it's one of the most stupid arguements I've ever seen on the Enterprise board. And that includes the shipper war.
I think more and more people (even myself) have come to realize that UPN and Paramount had a far bigger hand in the destruction of Trek than we realized.
Even still, one can argue that Berman and Braga could have stood up to Paramount for their own vision of Trek a bit more often than they did. I mean, these guys have tenure. Not even Les Moonves would be stupid enough to fire the man who (despite the negative reaction to Trek in the last couple years) helped make Trek what it is. Without Berman, TNg would probably have been cancelled.
The Akira Class stuff didn't bother me at all, but one could easily make -- as many others have -- an argument about the kind of preparation (or lack thereof) that went into the creation of this series based on that example.
TPTB: "Cut. Paste. By the numbers. These Trekkies will watch anything that looks and sounds like the rest."
Thank God the message finally got through that they were wrong.
Isn't a success if we're still talking about how bad it was all this time later? I can't imagine CSI or Law and order having people bitching over first principles and individual episodes suspended in imaginary continuity... O, it didn't make enough money quickly enough, more than that Enterprise wasn't sufficiently entertaining.
Pooh pooh.
Pooh pooh.
First, Star Trek fans are known for discussing Star Trek ad nausem, so that's not an indicator of success, failure, or anything else.
TOS fans are still talking about "Spock's Brain." That's not necessarily a good thing.
Plus, there aren't very many of you discussing "Enterprise," so take that for what it's worth.
Touche.
Onto the Vulcans, I have always thought that pulling out two characters (who aren't main characters, BTW) during a time of Pon Farr and saying, "See the Vulcans are like them!" was short-sighted, especially since we've been shown main characters all throughout Star Trek who aren't in Pon Farr acting quite logically. It's also why I think T'Pol's "journey" was a major disaster. Joseph Campbell spun in his grave over that one. When a character completes a journey, the audience should feel good like the character was successful and has bettered him/herself. I feel rather sad for T'Pol in pretty much every respect.
As to Enterprise, I love the show, but in a way that I always hoped it would rise to the level of performance I imagined it could've. The season 4 stories, especially toward the end, were weak and silly. I'm sad it's over, but I think if the writers had really listened to bashers, they'd be better off. "Bashers" pointed to some interesting ideas (like going to Vulcan) in season 2. Boy, too bad it took until The Forge in season 4 to get there.
Onto the Vulcans, I have always thought that pulling out two characters (who aren't main characters, BTW) during a time of Pon Farr and saying, "See the Vulcans are like them!" was short-sighted, especially since we've been shown main characters all throughout Star Trek who aren't in Pon Farr acting quite logically. It's also why I think T'Pol's "journey" was a major disaster. Joseph Campbell spun in his grave over that one. When a character completes a journey, the audience should feel good like the character was successful and has bettered him/herself. I feel rather sad for T'Pol in pretty much every respect.
As to Enterprise, I love the show, but in a way that I always hoped it would rise to the level of performance I imagined it could've. The season 4 stories, especially toward the end, were weak and silly. I'm sad it's over, but I think if the writers had really listened to bashers, they'd be better off. "Bashers" pointed to some interesting ideas (like going to Vulcan) in season 2. Boy, too bad it took until The Forge in season 4 to get there.
T'Pol had a couple of problems. One, she was given the "alien learning to be human" storyline that has been absolutely done to death on Star Trek. Two, starting in the third season, she became a physical weakling. As a Vulcan, she should have been at least as strong, if not stronger, then any human male on the ship. And finally, B and B used her as their sexual lab rat. It's a credit to Jolene Blalock that she managed to navigate through all the crap that B and B threw her way and make an interesting character out of T'Pol.
Just for the record, the Akira appeared for a lot longer than 20 seconds. It was featured in First Contact, and appeared in many episodes of DS9. It also appeared in at least two VGR episodes that I can think of, the one with Cap. Braxton sabotaging them, and the finale.
But that's beside the point. The point is that the ship was certainly not new, it represented a certain lack of effort that was visible in many other aspects of the show.
At least they bothered to come up with a new design for VGR.
Oh please; it was no in any way a 'lack of effort' as aside from a few minor items; the NX-01 digital model was BASED on the 'Akira' look (a fact not denied and in fact promoted by the SFX and production teams as they choose a 'ship that was popular with the fans'). It's not like they took the 24th century version of the Akira and just slapped 'NX-01 Enterprise' on it.
The NX-01 was a new digital model and had a lot of orifginal work done to it that took the time and effort of the digital artists involved; and DID show creativity.
It's not like they did all this and some fans said "Hey that looks like a modification of the Akira Class from 'First Contact'..."; and the Enterprise production staff said "Huh, what?" and tried to deny it. Again, they ADVERTISED that they were doing a design based on the Akira beforehand because by all accounts it bwas design liked by the fans; and they felt it was 'different' and they could do something interesting with it.
And for all the similarities that do exist; there is also a TON of diffrences. If you dislike the work they did, that's certainly fair, and you're entitled to you opinion. But to say it shows a 'lack of effort' honestly just isn't accurate.
They did change some things, but it doesn't take a titantic effort to redo the Akira with a rounder, more TMP shape and flip it upside down, then stick the nacelles from the Phonix onto it.
There were some interesting elements, like the drop bays, but aside from that nothing stuck out as new.
Well, reusing the design was certainly not different. Coming up with a new design would have been different. Hell, even using the Akira layout but at least bothering to alter it significantly would have been OK. They reused the shape and the details. There are more similarities than differences. Right down to the location & size of the cargo doors...and the lighting and markings on the cargo doors. There were too many copied parts.
The ENT-E was based on the TMP refit.
But the differences between the Akira and the NX are more like the diferences between the TOS-E and the TMP-E. They look like variations of the same ship.
And from what I recall they did try to play it off at first, if not directly deny it.
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