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Ron Tracey and the Prime Directive

It's perfectly fair taken in the context of what's going on at that point in the novel (Prime Directive). Kirk had been cashiered due to being responsible for a major planetary disaster and loss of life. He was, of course, eventually exonerated and reinstated.

No, it's understandable that someone in those circumstances would be inclined to perceive Kirk's record in that way, but I think it's unfair for that admiral to assume that Kirk's record vis-a-vis the Prime Directive is uniquely bad or that he's the only captain in Starfleet who ever interprets the Directive creatively. I suspect that if said admiral had taken a close look at the records of other starship captains, Kirk's record wouldn't have stood out so much.

I think a good and fair argument could be made either way. We really don't know how many times the average captain came across situations that would bring into play the PD this way. If every captain had as many PD calls as Kirk did in the limited sample we see in TOS that would be pretty amazing.

Christopher:

I just thought it was interesting that the aforementioned Starfleet admiral mentioned Kirk and Tracey in one breath. I don't necessarily equate Kirk and Tracey's violations of the PD as equal -- hey, for all we know, Tracey probably violated it a few times before his big transgression in The Omega Glory. Historical figures can be judged many different ways, after all.

And 22Stars, USSIntrepid, it is certainly understandable why Kirk would be judged the way he was, even if he's eventually exonerated, as the incident at Talin IV is far worse than all the other violations we'd ever seen in TOS.

Red Ranger
 
Don't be too quick to dismiss Kirk's actions in instances where the Enterprise was directly threatened, because that, all by its lonesome, could be enough to justify intervention.

It ties into the TNG standard of deciding that when a culture is about to develop warp drive, it's time for first contact.

When a planet, no matter how backward the overall culture may be, is able to reach out and pose a credible threat to a Federation starship, it's time for an intervention.

I agree, but with limitations.

I expect Starfleet would frown upon any starship CO deciding to intervene if the Federation would have a bigger mess to clean up afterwards. I would expect that any waiver of the Prime Directive would be accompanied by a "responsibility clause" that would protect the Federation from taking long-term caretaker responsibility for alien worlds. I would also think that the Federation would by its very nature have the wisdom to keep the old saying in mind: "Your enemies of today will be your friends of tomorrow" (the historic relationship between the U.S.A. and Britain, Germany and Japan serving as examples) thus forcing the starship CO to look upon "strange, new worlds" and their indigenous populations with a "you break it, you buy it" approach. Keep in mind that it sounded like Kirk made the commitment to assist the cultures of Beta III and Gamma Trianguli VI, and probably Sigma Iotia II, with their long-term development. That sounds like it could get awfully expensive...

Just like the old quote attributed to the late Senator Everett Dirksen: "A billion here, a billion there, pretty soon, you're talking real money."
 
What??? How in the hell do you justify genocide as an act of "self-defense?" Tracey went hugely beyond protecting himself. He slaughtered thousands of people who had no way to defend themselves.
Umm, no. Kirk did that hurt-the-helpless schtick. The Gamma Trianguli folks didn't even know how to sharpen an avocado for a weapon, yet Kirk pulled the plug on their society. Tracey shot back at hordes of well-armed, aggressive warriors who had been the initiators of the hostilities and were about to overrun his positions with the aim of proceeding to slaughter others. He shot at people who were perfectly and demonstrably capable of harming him and his heavily armed friends.

Both parties did what was absolutely necessary to defend themselves - no lesser use of force would have sufficed in either case. Kirk killed a planetful (unless we assume the Triangulites learned to take care of themselves afterwards, or were provided with the necessary help), apparently with a double-or-nothing plan of absolute salvation or absolute genocide. Tracey killed thousands, with the aim of living and letting the winning side live, too.

As said, suicide or surrender (probably the same thing, really) would have been a viable way out, and the wording in "Bread and Circuses" sort of suggests that this is what Kirk and Tracey both should have done. But the only other way out was the use of force. And Vaal didn't listen to any force lesser than the main phasers of a starship, and the Yangs didn't listen to any force lesser than the full output of four Type 2 phasers.

And it's bigotry to see the Yangs' way of life was "savage" just because it wasn't as sedentary and technologically advanced as that of the Kohms.
It's bigotry to see Vaal's or Landru's tyranny as a negative thing, too, then.

There was every objective reason to think that the Yangs would have meant death to Tracey's party, and to the people he had learned to know planetside. That's the same sort of "bigotry" that the Soviets held against the invading Nazi hordes, or the Nazis against the counter-invading Soviets.

The Yang culture was basically analogous to that of Plains Native Americans, according to Kirk. The Plains peoples certainly weren't "savages," except in the racist propaganda of their rivals. They were just as much victims of Kohm aggression as the reverse; there was no unambiguous right side. If Tracey chose to embrace one culture's denigration of the other and commit mass murder using that as a justification, that is a huge and obvious Prime Directive violation in every imaginable way, and a grossly evil act regardless of Starfleet regulations.
What would Kirk know? He is the one who jumps to bigoted conclusions on no evidence whatsoever. Spock fully supports Tracey's take on the Yangs, as does the testimony of their own eyes, ears and aching bodies when our heroes meet Yangs in person.

The Yangs were the bad guys till the bitter end. Sure, it wasn't Tracey's position or duty to side with the white hats against the black hats here - it is a completely separate issue that he did, in the name of self-defense and under the thin pretense of altruism. But it has to be acknowledged that Tracey and Spock both had it right from the beginning: the Yangs were the villains of the play, and a threat to heroes and bystanders alike.

Besides, Kirk didn't "destroy" those cultures, he merely removed the artificial controls that were inhibiting their development. That did disrupt their status quo, but it's nothing like genocide.
In the case of Landru, that's probably so. In the case of Vaal, we don't even know whether the Triangulites could breed! Once again, Kirk intervened without sufficient intelligence - he didn't even ask McCoy.

In contrast, his officers in "Omega Glory" did offer their views, supporting Tracey's points of view even when being appalled at the fact that the man now was a violent lunatic.

And he didn't make an arbitrary choice to side with one faction over another; he destroyed computers that had enslaved everyone on the planet equally.
Which is of no real relevance. It's absurd to claim that siding with a faction would somehow be worse than siding against all factions!

Most of all, he didn't personally murder thousands of them with his own phaser!!!
Irrelevant details. Just because a deed is done without getting one's own hands dirty with blood doesn't make the deed any better as such. Tracey vaporized armies. Kirk may have doomed entire civilizations. That Kirk did it clinically doesn't absolve him in any way.

Tracey's actions weren't self-defense, they were a one-man Holocaust.
They were both. Which is why most cultures, apparently including the Federation, outlaw self-defense in the general case. It's no different from other kinds of violence in the practical sense, even if it comes with an excuse: the victim is just as dead (or wounded) in the end.

You've offered some truly bizarre interpretations of Trek-universe concepts in the past, but this one really takes the cake.
I think it's just because of the bigoted and jingoist worldview that TOS offers. We don't live in the 1960s United States any more, so morals that once were acceptable or even commendable don't wash any more. Heroes can't be worshipped or even tolerated merely because they are heroes, and villains cannot be judged merely in relativist terms of comparing them with the heroes - or worse still, the heroes' idealized views of themselves.

Timo Saloniemi
 
lets not forget its not only the captain but all starfleet and federation personnel who are responsable for the p.d, remember john gill in patterns of force? he deliberately changed the course of two planets. if thats not a good,clear example of violation i dont no what is.
 
lets not forget its not only the captain but all starfleet and federation personnel who are responsable for the p.d, remember john gill in patterns of force?

To be sure, Gill was never held accountable for the Prime Directive - only Kirk and Spock minded that rule during their visit tothe Space Nazis, and Gill, the former Starfleet instructor, used his dying breath to lament that he, too, should have stuck to that rule, but Gill was a civilian at the time of his offenses and wasn't held up to Starfleet standards in dialogue.

Timo Saloniemi
 
The impression I got was that had Gill survived, he would've been dragged back to Earth, or at least the nearest starbase, to answer for his actions. Being a civilian is no excuse for tinkering with a planet's culture, especially a former instructor at Starfleet Academy.
 
Agreed. It's just that it seems to me that the specific mechanism by which Gill would be prosecuted would not be "he broke the PD", because our heroes never suggest such a thing.

If so, the episode is consistent with "Bread and Circuses" and "Angel One" in that civilians are not held accountable for PD violations, even though their behavior is frowned upon in those episodes.

If not, well, perhaps the PD covers just the most atrocious offenses by civilians, in addition to the full range of violations by Starfleet personnel. The folks in "Angel One" didn't exactly do harm, and Merrick in "Bread and Circuses" was such a rotten apple that Kirk would never have lacked in excuses to drag him to a court anyway.

Timo Saloniemi
 
I would think the merchant fleet under even stricter Starfleet regulations regarding first contact situations, considering that it's not their job to do any extensive exploration.

Regular Starfleet personnel would be given a list of do's and don'ts regarding how close they can come to the PD, whereas Merchant Marines would be under a simple directive: Don't even think about it, bunky. Leave it to the professionals.
 
...Which might leave the players high and dry in the legal sense when those commercial starsailors do involuntarily make contact, due to a ship crashing or the alien party initiating the contact or whatever. The situations in "Bread" and "Angel" seemed like such "All right, so what now?" instances that had not been properly anticipated by the legislators. Which in itself is odd, because surely there would have been a crash or two with this sort of consequences in Federation history already. A ship goes kaboom, lifepods head for a habitable world, and lo, the habitable world is in fact inhabited!

Timo Saloniemi
 
Granted this thread is old, but I wanted throw in my editorial on this subject.

Ron Tracey unfortunately went insane(had a mental/nervous breakdown)because of the loss of his crew and his inability to prevent such a tragedy. The loss of the Exeter and its crew is pretty much the driving force, or motivation, that led Ron to his insanity and the terrible things that he did thereafter(i.e. the violation of the Prime Directive, the killings of Galloway and the Yangs, and search for immortality).

As to Tracey not showing any remorse for the death of his crew, I think I can describe it best by stating that there are certain levels, or in this case, signs of mental instability, having a mental breakdown, and so on and so forth.

Ron may have been trying to hide his mental breakdown from Kirk and the others by keeping up a facade. It's been known to happen. Look at Colonel Walter E. Kurtz from Apocalypse Now and you will get the idea.
 
I suspect "Heart of Darkness" may have been an inspiration for "The Omega Glory", but that's a pure guess on my part. We have no real way of knowing if GR had ever read it, or even heard of it, but the overall plot is too close to not at least consider it a distinct possibility.
 
I suspect "Heart of Darkness" may have been an inspiration for "The Omega Glory ...
It occures to me that there are more than a few parallels betwen the episode The Omega Glory and the movie Insurrection.

Or is it just me?

True the fountain of youth in Glory was a misconception on Tracy's part, while medical benefits within the particle ring in Insurrrection were the real thing, but you see what I
m getting at.

:)
 
I suspect "Heart of Darkness" may have been an inspiration for "The Omega Glory ...
It occures to me that there are more than a few parallels betwen the episode The Omega Glory and the movie Insurrection.

Or is it just me?

True the fountain of youth in Glory was a misconception on Tracy's part, while medical benefits within the particle ring in Insurrrection were the real thing, but you see what I
m getting at.

:)

Yes I see the similarities. Insurrection would've probably been a better film if it had used The Omega Glory script as a starting point. :techman:
 
I suspect "Heart of Darkness" may have been an inspiration for "The Omega Glory ...
It occures to me that there are more than a few parallels betwen the episode The Omega Glory and the movie Insurrection.

Or is it just me?

True the fountain of youth in Glory was a misconception on Tracy's part, while medical benefits within the particle ring in Insurrrection were the real thing, but you see what I
m getting at.

:)

Interesting enough, early in the development of the script for Star Trek: Insurrection, "Heart of Darkness" was being used as a model for the story. These were mostly dropped, I think, when it was decided to pursue the fountain of youth angle, but I think certain elements remain.
 
Makes ya wonder how well "The Omega Glory" would've come across if they'd gotten Marlon Brando to play Tracey....

Honestly, I don't think Brando would have gone for it. It's almost like that same speculation on how Robert Ryan would have played Matt Decker, if he had been available for the role.

Morgan Woodward did an excellent job as the ill-fated Ron Tracey. That role was tailor made for him.

It would be interesting if a story about Tracey's years as captain of the U.S.S. Exeter were written(missions before what transpired in The Omega Glory). Or even better, a story about what transpired on Omega IV(not III), the death of the Exeter crew, Ron's involvement in the war between the Yangs and the Kohms, and what happened after that, before the Enterprise arrived.
 
Well, he was described in one of the log entries as the most experienced captain in Starfleet. There's got to be quite a service record behind that description.

Besides, Brando loved doing the occasional oddball project, as well as yanking the chains of those who got overly worshipful; he was really much more down to earth than most folks realize. He may very well have jumped at a chance to do a Star Trek episode.
 
Well, he was described in one of the log entries as the most experienced captain in Starfleet. There's got to be quite a service record behind that description.

Besides, Brando loved doing the occasional oddball project, as well as yanking the chains of those who got overly worshipful; he was really much more down to earth than most folks realize. He may very well have jumped at a chance to do a Star Trek episode.

It would be great to see that service record documented, or at the very least, transcribed into some excellent Star Trek fiction. I've always been curious to know what Ron Tracey and his command style was like, before his tragic downfall on Omega IV. There is a wealth of material to be mined there.

That's true. That was one of the many admirable qualities of Marlon Brando. His down to earth personality. He was the type of actor who was satisfied with a job well done and didn't have any use for awards like the Oscar. An approach that George C. Scott took from time to time.

I admire and respect people like that. Honestly, the Oscar is nothing more than just a hunk of metal. Something that could be used as a paperweight. The best award any actor can receive is that from the audience. If an audience member tells an actor that they liked their performance, or it changed their life for the better, that's the best award any actor/artist can receive.
 
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