ROMULUS IN MIND MELD '09

[Oso Blanco]

Spock is not prone to hyperbole.

But the writers are ...

 

[Set Harth]

absolutely. I realize this. my initial point was that I felt maybe the writers and jj just screwed up and missed the fact that this action would still destroy Romulus.

These are the writers who wrote in the dialogue that the supernova threatened the galaxy, so I doubt it.

 

[ChowdaHead]

absolutely. I realize this. my initial point was that I felt maybe the writers and jj just screwed up and missed the fact that this action would still destroy Romulus.

These are the writers who wrote in the dialogue that the supernova threatened the galaxy, so I doubt it.

well, considering a supernova did threaten the galaxy, I don't see a problem. you may, but then id assume you have a problem with a lot of plot points in most of the trek films/television series.

 

[-Brett-]

If "hobus" is Romulus's own primary, Spock's plan doesn't help and would probably screw the planet just as thoroughly as the supernova. If "hobus" is not Romulus's own primary, there should have been months at least from the time the star goes nova to the time Romulus is in any danger. In either case, a supernova is a process that takes millions of years. The Romulans would have had a lot of warning.

There's no getting around it. This part of '09 has enormous plot holes.

 

[Set Harth]

absolutely. I realize this. my initial point was that I felt maybe the writers and jj just screwed up and missed the fact that this action would still destroy Romulus.

These are the writers who wrote in the dialogue that the supernova threatened the galaxy, so I doubt it.

well, considering a supernova did threaten the galaxy, I don't see a problem. you may, but then id assume you have a problem with a lot of plot points in most of the trek films/television series.

If I told you I had even the vaguest understanding of how the above serves as a meaningful or appropriate response to my post, I'd be lying.

Since the writers invented a supernova that threatened the galaxy, Hobus does not have to be the sun of Romulus in order for Romulus to be threatened. Thus there is no indication that the writers "screwed up" on this point. "I doubt it" was not meant to be taken as an indication that I saw a problem; it was intended to mean that I did not.

If "hobus" is not Romulus's own primary, there should have been months at least from the time the star goes nova to the time Romulus is in any danger.

The fictional long-range supernova invented by the writers follows its own rules, just like fictional red matter black hole time travel does.

 

[Captain_Amasov]

After all these years I thought we just made up our own reasons why "such and such" happens in Trek. Is there any reason why the Hobus star couldn't have produced an unusual looking subspace shockwave, like Praxis did?

 

[Kemaiku]

After all these years I thought we just made up our own reasons why "such and such" happens in Trek. Is there any reason why the Hobus star couldn't have produced an unusual looking subspace shockwave, like Praxis did?

Except that in the comic and flashback, the star just keeps on going nova, getting magically bigger that it will actually consume the galaxy in massive perfectly spherical fireball.

 

[ChowdaHead]

If "hobus" is Romulus's own primary, Spock's plan doesn't help and would probably screw the planet just as thoroughly as the supernova. If "hobus" is not Romulus's own primary, there should have been months at least from the time the star goes nova to the time Romulus is in any danger. In either case, a supernova is a process that takes millions of years. The Romulans would have had a lot of warning.

There's no getting around it. This part of '09 has enormous plot holes.

its not an ordinary supernova, obviously. it took out a planet. on screen. it was said to have threatened the galaxy. its just a supernova with fantasy elements. like genesis or praxis and the multiple other strange phenomena in star trek

 

[ChowdaHead]

These are the writers who wrote in the dialogue that the supernova threatened the galaxy, so I doubt it.

well, considering a supernova did threaten the galaxy, I don't see a problem. you may, but then id assume you have a problem with a lot of plot points in most of the trek films/television series.

If I told you I had even the vaguest understanding of how the above serves as a meaningful or appropriate response to my post, I'd be lying.

Since the writers invented a supernova that threatened the galaxy, Hobus does not have to be the sun of Romulus in order for Romulus to be threatened. Thus there is no indication that the writers "screwed up" on this point. "I doubt it" was not meant to be taken as an indication that I saw a problem; it was intended to mean that I did not.

If "hobus" is not Romulus's own primary, there should have been months at least from the time the star goes nova to the time Romulus is in any danger.

The fictional long-range supernova invented by the writers follows its own rules, just like fictional red matter black hole time travel does.

set, I apologize. I misunderstood your intentions. thanks for clearing that up.

 

[Captain_Amasov]

After all these years I thought we just made up our own reasons why "such and such" happens in Trek. Is there any reason why the Hobus star couldn't have produced an unusual looking subspace shockwave, like Praxis did?

Except that in the comic and flashback, the star just keeps on going nova, getting magically bigger that it will actually consume the galaxy in massive perfectly spherical fireball.

So maybe we're looking at some sort of fiery looking FTL version of the "level 12" shockwave generated by the trilithium explosive in "Generations" then? To the outside eye it'd look like the star is just getting bigger and bigger.

Oddly enough, we know of at least one other event that caused subspace shockwaves from stars going supernova; in season three of "Voyager", a number of subspace shock waves were generated as byproducts of the supernovae caused by the Q Continuum during their civil war.