Spoilers Rogue One: A Star Wars Story - Grading & Discussion
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I honestly think that Episode 8 will take more risks with regards to the story. I think RO was risky too, in terms of telling a story that involved mostly one off characters who are going to die. It certainly had a certain gloom to it that gave it an overall much different feel that the rest of the films in the SW universe thus far.
I think there will be more risk taking as confidence is built that audiences are willing to engage with this new level of Star Wars productions.
I think there will be more risk taking as confidence is built that audiences are willing to engage with this new level of Star Wars productions.
Really? Given how TFA was risk adverse and pandering to the ANH, I would think TLJ would just be a copy/paste job of ESTB.
Rogue One took a lot of risks. Some story related and others technical related. There were several times at the theater where I was thinking "Are they actually going to do this" and in most cases not only did they do "this" they did more that "this" and got away with it. TFA was the safe movie for the most part. The "lets get people back into the mood of Star Wars before we start doing new stuff". And even then, it wasn't exactly the same.
Indeed. TFA feels very familiar by design, but it is far from a beat-for-beat remake of ANH. It is more like a remix of the OT as a whole. Now that the audience is on board, they can do what they want with it and from the sounds of the rumors coming out from the production it sounds nothing like an ESB retread.
Why? The idea of TFA was to draw people back in to the story and the world, while introducing new characters and locations and organizations. It was a matter of good will and trust building with the audience and that meant a more familiar story.
Also, the story beats being familiar does not mean the story was exactly the same. Rey certainly does not end TFA in the same place as Luke, and the full impact of Han Solo's death is still to be felt in Kylo Ren and its overall impact.
Different writer and director, I doubt they'd pull the same stunt.
Which part of the audience are you talking about? The fanboys who wanted to relive the past?
If "THE FORCE AWAKENS" was Disney's way of building trust and goodwill with the STAR WARS fandom, the organization nearly lost it with me. I have no respect for that movie. I don't mind watching it . . . to a certain point. But I have no respect for it. Thankfully, I ended up enjoying "ROGUE ONE" a lot more and my . . . trust and goodwill toward the studio has been rebuilt. Somewhat. Now, I just wish that Disney and Lucasfilm would either stop trying to re-create the Original Trilogy or revisiting it, and try something new.
The only nostalgia I felt in TFA was during the opening crawl and Starkiller base attack sequence.
So, "relive the past" was not a motivation for me in enjoying this film. It was the characters and their dynamics that made it far more enjoyable.Which is why, I think, some of the story elements were utilized from ANH to allow people to meet the characters while having a familiar story. Which, if one examines some of the mythbuilding in the making of "Star Wars' (the original film) there will be a recognition that Lucas borrowed several familiar story elements to craft that tale.
This is why I think Disney and Lucasfilm will branch out more with Episode 8 is because they have the audience hooked in to the story and characters and now they can branch out. That's building interest and audience confidence. Obviously, and should go without saying but, your mileage may vary.
I agree.
Before I went to TFA I watched Episode I to VI, and when I went to TFA It felt cheap to me.
In one of the drafts of Rogue One, Vader killed Krennic
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/star-wars-rogue-one-at-one-point-had-darth-vader-k/1100-6448866/
And a lot more detail on the original (not filmed) ending before Disney said they were allowed to kill them off http://ew.com/movies/2017/03/20/rogue-one-alternate-ending-revealed/
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/star-wars-rogue-one-at-one-point-had-darth-vader-k/1100-6448866/
And a lot more detail on the original (not filmed) ending before Disney said they were allowed to kill them off http://ew.com/movies/2017/03/20/rogue-one-alternate-ending-revealed/
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It seems more like Kathleen Kennedy who expected them to kill everyone off.
http://www.slashfilm.com/rogue-one-endings/
http://www.slashfilm.com/rogue-one-endings/
That also confirms the speculation that the Comm Tower and Data Vault were combined into the same building, cutting out the dash across the beach.
It was actually a warning to the production staff if they got it wrong.
"Directors, ye be warned."
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I finally got to see it! I bought the DVD today. Firstly, if you can avoid the DVD, do so. It didn't want to play in any of my PC drives, so I had to dust off the DVD player to watch it. Secondly, there are no extras. That sucks. So avoid the DVD if you can. I'm going to have to wait a few months, and buy the blu-ray or something.
Anyway, I loved the movie! It definitely started off different, and that was something I wasn't expecting. No crawl, no Star Wars title, just "Rogue One" and even then about 10 minutes into the film. That was an interesting take, and I think it worked. I don't feel like a full review, because it's 4:20 in the morning here, but I'll hit a few points, so while I'm sure most of you have seen it, I'll just say spoilers ahead. There, now we can move forward.
* K2-SO is now my favorite droid for any number of reasons, but this line was my favorite: "Do you want to know the odds of her using that blaster on you?..." "It's high. It's very high."
I was sad when he was killed towards the end. Wash can't catch a break.
* Mads Mikkelsen was a terrific choice for Galen Erso. I really like Mads Mikkelsen anyway, and putting him in such a prime role was a brilliant casting decision.
* I may have peed myself a little when the Death Star appeared.
* The opening sequence was interesting, in that we have to gather quickly just who these people are. I recognized Orson Krennic right away from trailers and images online, and so by association I figured out that Mads character was either the chief designer, or some project manager for the construction of the Death Star. I was pretty close. Regardless, it was a neat way to set everything up for the rest of the story.
* Genevieve O'Reilly was eerily perfect as Mon Mothma. Just flawless.
*C-3PO and R2! Yay!
* Computer Generated Grand Moff Tarkin, or Governor Tarkin, whatever you prefer. Okay, um, I get what they were going for, and I think they managed to do a great job, all things considered. That being said, it was more than a bit unsettling, and definitely felt like I was watching a video render from a game, rather than a flesh and blood human being. Again, I realize it's not like they could just resurrect Peter Cushing (oh if they could!), but it fell into the uncanny valley for me, and those scenes were a bit rough to watch. The same applies to Leia at the end. Understandable, valiantly made, still a bit cringey for me.
* Everybody dies at the end? What the hell!? I hated that. I still hate that. Damn, damn. I wanted them to live and go off on other adventures.
* Finally, FINALLY we got to see some Darth Vader action, and it was fantastic!
* Everybody dies? Why is this a good idea? It's not! I understand sacrifice! I get heroism! They don't have to die! Send them off to the Outer Rim, or something, where they can get into smuggling or whatnot. They don't need to die, especially not from a killer wave created by the Death Star. Feh.
All in all, I think the film has earned a solid "A". It does a more than capable job of filling in the details on how the Rebellion managed to gain the plans for the Death Star, and breathes new life into stories as old as I am. As far as I'm concerned, this is a worthy film to be placed in the upper echelons of the Star Wars pantheon. I can't wait to see what comes next from the Star Wars universe.
P.S. Everybody dies? That is just wrong! Go back and fix it!
Anyway, I loved the movie! It definitely started off different, and that was something I wasn't expecting. No crawl, no Star Wars title, just "Rogue One" and even then about 10 minutes into the film. That was an interesting take, and I think it worked. I don't feel like a full review, because it's 4:20 in the morning here, but I'll hit a few points, so while I'm sure most of you have seen it, I'll just say spoilers ahead. There, now we can move forward.
* K2-SO is now my favorite droid for any number of reasons, but this line was my favorite: "Do you want to know the odds of her using that blaster on you?..." "It's high. It's very high."
I was sad when he was killed towards the end. Wash can't catch a break.
* Mads Mikkelsen was a terrific choice for Galen Erso. I really like Mads Mikkelsen anyway, and putting him in such a prime role was a brilliant casting decision.
* I may have peed myself a little when the Death Star appeared.
* The opening sequence was interesting, in that we have to gather quickly just who these people are. I recognized Orson Krennic right away from trailers and images online, and so by association I figured out that Mads character was either the chief designer, or some project manager for the construction of the Death Star. I was pretty close. Regardless, it was a neat way to set everything up for the rest of the story.
* Genevieve O'Reilly was eerily perfect as Mon Mothma. Just flawless.
*C-3PO and R2! Yay!
* Computer Generated Grand Moff Tarkin, or Governor Tarkin, whatever you prefer. Okay, um, I get what they were going for, and I think they managed to do a great job, all things considered. That being said, it was more than a bit unsettling, and definitely felt like I was watching a video render from a game, rather than a flesh and blood human being. Again, I realize it's not like they could just resurrect Peter Cushing (oh if they could!), but it fell into the uncanny valley for me, and those scenes were a bit rough to watch. The same applies to Leia at the end. Understandable, valiantly made, still a bit cringey for me.
* Everybody dies at the end? What the hell!? I hated that. I still hate that. Damn, damn. I wanted them to live and go off on other adventures.
* Finally, FINALLY we got to see some Darth Vader action, and it was fantastic!
* Everybody dies? Why is this a good idea? It's not! I understand sacrifice! I get heroism! They don't have to die! Send them off to the Outer Rim, or something, where they can get into smuggling or whatnot. They don't need to die, especially not from a killer wave created by the Death Star. Feh.
All in all, I think the film has earned a solid "A". It does a more than capable job of filling in the details on how the Rebellion managed to gain the plans for the Death Star, and breathes new life into stories as old as I am. As far as I'm concerned, this is a worthy film to be placed in the upper echelons of the Star Wars pantheon. I can't wait to see what comes next from the Star Wars universe.
P.S. Everybody dies? That is just wrong! Go back and fix it!
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