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Spoilers Rogue One: A Star Wars Story - Grading & Discussion

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As said, there is one hope left, but that is a year or two away and only if Lucasfilm and Dave Filloni decide that the Ghost and its crew should be the final hero moment of the Rogue One story and rescue Jyn and Cassian at the last second. Or end Star Wars: Rebels trying and failing to rescue Jyn and Cassian...the Ghost going down to the wall of flame from the Death Star a well.

If the Ghost saves them (there will be a lot of people calling it a copout), they don't have the plans anymore. Those were still in the tower when the Death Star clipped off the top. Cassian needs medical attention, and Jyn is also a bit beat after all that. They'd go to the remains of the fleet to rally following the loss of Admiral Raddus and the Profundity. Perhaps informing Admiral Akbar that he is now in command from Home One. The fleet offers to help, but the Death Star is designed to fight capital ships, so the Fleet is useless against it. Most of their remaining fighters went to Yavin Base. They seem to have more fighters there than pilots. The Ghost was probably messed up after picking up Jyn and Cassian, so they don't go to help at Yavin when the Death Star arrives. After that another writer could decide what Jyn and Cassian decide to do.
 
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Ithekro said:
As said, there is one hope left, but that is a year or two away and only if Lucasfilm and Dave Filloni decide that the Ghost and its crew should be the final hero moment of the Rogue One story and rescue Jyn and Cassian at the last second. Or end Star Wars: Rebels trying and failing to rescue Jyn and Cassian...the Ghost going down to the wall of flame from the Death Star a well.

If the Ghost saves them (there will be a lot of people calling it a copout), they don't have the plans anymore. Those were still in the tower when the Death Star clipped off the top. Cassian needs medical attention, and Jyn is also a bit beat after all that. They'd go to the remains of the fleet to rally following the loss of Admiral Raddus ad the Profundity. Perhaps informing Admiral Akbar that he is now in command from Home One. The fleet offers to help, but the Death Star is designed to fight capital ships, so the Fleet is useless against it. Most of their remaining fighters went to Yavin Base. They seem to have more fighters there than pilots. The Ghost was probably messed up after picking up Jyn and Cassian, so they don't go to help at Yavin when the Death Star arrives. After that another writer could decide what Jyn and Cassian decide to do.
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If handled well, it could work.
 
Meh. I think one of the best, most tragic elements of RO is that everyone does indeed die, and I would hate to see them pull a "Fooled you!!!"
 
I have no idea if this is real, found it on Reddit, but if it is real, we almost had the Death Star being built INSIDE a planet. What the hell

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Does anyone really think there is wiggle room in that last scene for Jyn and Cassian to be rescued? I mean short of seeing their flesh stripped from their skeletons we pretty much see them disintegrate.

I think the "they didn't have to die" crowd is coming at this from the wrong end. If there is a problem with the a plot hole it isn't that they could have lived and didn't. It's that there should have been no wiggle room for them to survive.

I have no problem with characters introduced in a prequel film never being seen again. It's a big freaking universe. (Well, it's supposed to be. I'm looking at you, Cantina Arm Guy.) Hell, we never saw any of the Yavin IV staff again either. My problem with Ezra and Kanan is not that we've never heard of them. It's that they are Jedi (well, a Jedi and an Almost Jedi).

But it was established way back at the beginning that the spies who stole the plans are dead. At least Rogue One honored that.

This is totally the kind of war movie where everyone dies for the greater good. I think I figured that out when they killed Bodhi. That pushed it from "Well, some of them are going to die" to "Oh, they're all screwed."
 
The Rogue One comic does include some cut scenes from the movie, on purpose. There is a message from the director of the movie at the end of the first issue that explains this.

The Comic also cuts/shortens scenes as well, which isn't surprising considering it is a comic.
 
Tallguy said:
Does anyone really think there is wiggle room in that last scene for Jyn and Cassian to be rescued? I mean short of seeing their flesh stripped from their skeletons we pretty much see them disintegrate.

I think the "they didn't have to die" crowd is coming at this from the wrong end. If there is a problem with the a plot hole it isn't that they could have lived and didn't. It's that there should have been no wiggle room for them to survive.

I have no problem with characters introduced in a prequel film never being seen again. It's a big freaking universe. (Well, it's supposed to be. I'm looking at you, Cantina Arm Guy.) Hell, we never saw any of the Yavin IV staff again either. My problem with Ezra and Kanan is not that we've never heard of them. It's that they are Jedi (well, a Jedi and an Almost Jedi).

But it was established way back at the beginning that the spies who stole the plans are dead. At least Rogue One honored that.

This is totally the kind of war movie where everyone dies for the greater good. I think I figured that out when they killed Bodhi. That pushed it from "Well, some of them are going to die" to "Oh, they're all screwed."
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Um, I was not aware that ANH set up that the spies were dead. :confused:

Also, I'm coming at it from the point of view that I don't want the heroes to die, especially not all of them. That's always been my thing. I get the story reasons, and can appreciate the rationale that everyone is putting forward, from director on down. I just don't want them to die.
 
The film does a good job if you don't want the heroes to die, but you know they are going to anyway due to the nature of the story.
 
Ithekro said:
The film does a good job if you don't want the heroes to die, but you know they are going to anyway due to the nature of the story.
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Absolutely. RO is one of the few films that I knew they were going to die, didn't want them to, and was somewhat ok with the ending, rather than just annoyed.
 
Because it ends with hope.

Watching it the last time I wondered :When Organa says "I would trust her with my life," is that meant to be an ironic moment? Because Leia being on this mission leads to her capture which leads to the destruction of Alderaan and Bail's death?
 
Tallguy said:
Because it ends with hope.

Watching it the last time I wondered :When Organa says "I would trust her with my life," is that meant to be an ironic moment? Because Leia being on this mission leads to her capture which leads to the destruction of Alderaan and Bail's death?
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I doubt it's supposed to be ironic, but it certainly comes off that way.
 
Too bad Organa wasn't a Jedi...then we could have had some force-ghost shenanigans...
"Trust her with your life, you say? And how'd that work out for you?"

I'm reminded of the novelization of AGT, where Yar's talking to the crewman who will crash the shuttle in "Skin of Evil" and says that he'll be the death of her. Perhaps a little inappropriately glib.
 
DonIago said:
Too bad Organa wasn't a Jedi...then we could have had some force-ghost shenanigans...
"Trust her with your life, you say? And how'd that work out for you?"

I'm reminded of the novelization of AGT, where Yar's talking to the crewman who will crash the shuttle in "Skin of Evil" and says that he'll be the death of her. Perhaps a little inappropriately glib.
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fireproof78 said:
Um, I was not aware that ANH set up that the spies were dead. :confused:

Also, I'm coming at it from the point of view that I don't want the heroes to die, especially not all of them. That's always been my thing. I get the story reasons, and can appreciate the rationale that everyone is putting forward, from director on down. I just don't want them to die.
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I agree. While the deaths of the heroes in Rogue One didn't bother me because I saw it coming and we've only met them once and never will see them again, I absolutely hated Han Solo's death in episode seven. It served no purpose other than to please Ford whose opinion I couldn't care less about since It's not like he spent the last 34 years doing nothing but Han Solo. That death more than anything else, ruined episode seven for me. Well, that and I'm not sure I like Finn. Why couldn't they have killed him?
 
RandyS said:
I agree. While the deaths of the heroes in Rogue One didn't bother me because I saw it coming and we've only met them once and never will see them again, I absolutely hated Han Solo's death in episode seven. It served no purpose other than to please Ford whose opinion I couldn't care less about since It's not like he spent the last 34 years doing nothing but Han Solo. That death more than anything else, ruined episode seven for me. Well, that and I'm not sure I like Finn. Why couldn't they have killed him?
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No, it served a purpose in the story, and one that will likely be unveiled further on in the sequel trilogy. Part of it is tied to its impact upon Kylo Ren, and the results of which we have not seen.

As much as I disagree with the Solo's death, I will also disagree with the concept that it "served no purpose..."
 
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