Rogue One (2016) [SW Anthology Series)

[Ithekro]

Depends on if that it the whole plot, or if it is the "happy bonus" to the plot. The story being about the Rebels taking it to the Empire for the first time with a chance to win big. A war movie in space. During that battle they find out about the Death Star and that plans are basically right there in the local computer. They just need to download them and fight a way to get the data off planet to someone who can use them. That would be were the Empire comes back and nearly ruining everything. The transmission being about to get out just in time. The lack of any Jedi would be keenly felt if Vader shows up. Or even an Inquisitor. Actually they don't even need that. Just the huge numbers the Empire has makes the lack of a Jedi quite painful, as Jedi are known to be able to take on huge odds and not only survive, but also win. Legends of the Clone Wars would be all the characters would need to know that much. Where two Jedi could take down armies of battle droids and personally defeat tanks and the like with just a lightsaber and the Force. (This is almost true. Most of the time the Jedi had Clones backing them up).

 

[Ithekro]

Someone managed to keep a copy of the teaser around it seem:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2nbjqu

 

[EnriqueH]

Quick note - according to the officially canon novel Tarkin, the Death Star was built over Geonosis.

Waitaminute.

I thought *ALL* the novels were no longer canon.

So SOME novels are still canon? (Movie novelizations aside.)

 

[Turtletrekker]

New novels (and comics), those written since the founding of the Lucas Story Group, are canon.

 

[Ithekro]

The word is that they moved the Death Star around a lot to keep it from being found out (or at least proven to exist) by the Rebellion or the Senate.

 

[Mr Light]

New canon: the movies. Clone Wars TV show. Rebels TV show. Any comics/novels starting with "A New Dawn" in 2014. novelizations of the movies. (though arguably this one is looser. I believe the novelization of ROTJ reveals that Owen was Ben's brother)

But as someone pointed out, Bane appeared in Clone Wars, so he's canon regardless.

 

[Reverend]

I really wouldn't worry about taking that teaser too literally. It's clearly just something they put together for the effect.

New canon: the movies. Clone Wars TV show. Rebels TV show. Any comics/novels starting with "A New Dawn" in 2014. novelizations of the movies. (though arguably this one is looser. I believe the novelization of ROTJ reveals that Owen was Ben's brother)

But as someone pointed out, Bane appeared in Clone Wars, so he's canon regardless.

I'm pretty sure Lucas was actually the one that came up with Darth Bane when he wrote some of the background for the prequels, the rule of two and all that stuff, hence it appearing in TCW. Pretty sure the details like the battle of Ruusan, the thought bomb etc. were all made up after the fact.

 

[The Wormhole]

Quick note - according to the officially canon novel Tarkin, the Death Star was built over Geonosis.

Waitaminute.

I thought *ALL* the novels were no longer canon.

So SOME novels are still canon? (Movie novelizations aside.)

The party line is that all novels licensed by Disney are considered canon, like the aforementioned Tarkin novel.

Personally, I think this is thoughtless and irresponsible of Disney, and they should know better given the recent ruckus over the EU.

The movies will always come first, and are going to have some big name writers and directors attached to them, from the looks of it. There is no way they are going to be required to make their movies consistent with novels, in fact it's questionable they'd even be required to stay consistent with Clone Wars or Rebels. So calling these novels "canon" is just going to lead to the same problems and headaches the EU dealt with, even before Disney de-canonised everything.

 

[Jedi_Master]

Quick note - according to the officially canon novel Tarkin, the Death Star was built over Geonosis.

Waitaminute.

I thought *ALL* the novels were no longer canon.

So SOME novels are still canon? (Movie novelizations aside.)

The party line is that all novels licensed by Disney are considered canon, like the aforementioned Tarkin novel.

Personally, I think this is thoughtless and irresponsible of Disney, and they should know better given the recent ruckus over the EU.

The movies will always come first, and are going to have some big name writers and directors attached to them, from the looks of it. There is no way they are going to be required to make their movies consistent with novels, in fact it's questionable they'd even be required to stay consistent with Clone Wars or Rebels. So calling these novels "canon" is just going to lead to the same problems and headaches the EU dealt with, even before Disney de-canonised everything.

I disagree. It will be relatively easy to maintain continuity as long as the various parts of the Star Wars creative teams stay in contact through a central hub. There even could be a few staffers responsible for creating a private DisneyPedia™ that can be referenced by screen writers and novelists.

The EU was never considered canon by Lucas and therefore there was no need to make sure it was internally consistent. Sue Rostoni would just review the material to make sure no "off limits" subjects had been touched and that super ridiculous stuff like Yoda doing a gangsta rap wasn't included.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

According to the Schmoes' guest speaker here, the VFX footage from the Rogue One teaser is just something ILM threw together "in a few minutes," and probably not actual film footage; it's just meant to set the tone. That probably accounts for the issues I and others have with its details, some expressed upthread, vis-à-vis whether the film shows the destruction of Alderaan.

[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AAZMqBleWs[/yt]

 

[Skywalker]

Waitaminute.

I thought *ALL* the novels were no longer canon.

So SOME novels are still canon? (Movie novelizations aside.)

The party line is that all novels licensed by Disney are considered canon, like the aforementioned Tarkin novel.

Personally, I think this is thoughtless and irresponsible of Disney, and they should know better given the recent ruckus over the EU.

The movies will always come first, and are going to have some big name writers and directors attached to them, from the looks of it. There is no way they are going to be required to make their movies consistent with novels, in fact it's questionable they'd even be required to stay consistent with Clone Wars or Rebels. So calling these novels "canon" is just going to lead to the same problems and headaches the EU dealt with, even before Disney de-canonised everything.

I disagree. It will be relatively easy to maintain continuity as long as the various parts of the Star Wars creative teams stay in contact through a central hub. There even could be a few staffers responsible for creating a private DisneyPedia™ that can be referenced by screen writers and novelists.

The EU was never considered canon by Lucas and therefore there was no need to make sure it was internally consistent. Sue Rostoni would just review the material to make sure no "off limits" subjects had been touched and that super ridiculous stuff like Yoda doing a gangsta rap wasn't included.

Agreed. That's actually exactly what the new Lucasfilm Story Group's role is supposed to be: to coordinate with all the various groups working on movies, TV shows, video games, books, and comics and help make sure they're all in line with one another. Now that the new novel line is being produced in conjunction with a series of movies that will remain in production for the foreseeable future, it will make it a lot easier for the novels to follow the movies' lead and not end up being overridden, so I don't think there are going to be as many issues with them as there were with the old EU.

 

[BillJ]

That's actually exactly what the new Lucasfilm Story Group's role is supposed to be: to coordinate with all the various groups working on movies, TV shows, video games, books, and comics and help make sure they're all in line with one another. Now that the new novel line is being produced in conjunction with a series of movies that will remain in production for the foreseeable future, it will make it a lot easier for the novels to follow the movies' lead and not end up being overridden, so I don't think there are going to be as many issues with them as there were with the old EU.

I miss the good old days where people told stories and if they conflicted, oh well.

 

[Jedi_Master]

That's actually exactly what the new Lucasfilm Story Group's role is supposed to be: to coordinate with all the various groups working on movies, TV shows, video games, books, and comics and help make sure they're all in line with one another. Now that the new novel line is being produced in conjunction with a series of movies that will remain in production for the foreseeable future, it will make it a lot easier for the novels to follow the movies' lead and not end up being overridden, so I don't think there are going to be as many issues with them as there were with the old EU.

I miss the good old days where people told stories and if they conflicted, oh well.

Ok, well we all have different views. I personally like the effort being put into the continuity. It allows all kind of storytelling possibilities, including special details being revealed in a comic or a novel. As a lover of the written word, that is exciting.

In addition, it makes the overall story digestible and accessible to a larger audience. In the past you had absolutely bat-poop crazy stuff being written into Star Wars comics and novels, partially because it "wasn't real anyway". Then later novels and comics had to pretend that those events happened, or they could just ignore them, or include parts of them, or change them.

Moving the Death Star's construction to Geonosis is an excellent first step in "rewriting" the history of Star Wars. First of all - having it built over a prison planet named "Despayre" is one of those 'hey let's be clever and hope it never looks like we are being super cheesy' moments.

Geonosis was an interdicted planet, it could be easily forgotten after the Clone Wars, there was access to plenty of raw materials, and building it there fits the Star Wars concept of 'a gajillion planets but only about 5 ever matter'.

When I saw that in the novel, I was very pleased and it was a good note of consistency. Good start LSG, good start.

 

[kitik]

We just saw some of the official canon further history/story of Geonosis in Darth Vader #4 earlier this month.

 

[Jedi_Master]

Unified continuity is a useful marketing tool as well - for it motivates collectors to purchase one of everything.

 

[Dick Whitman]

The Death Star being built above Geonois came from George Lucas himself. He mentioned that in the audio commentary of ROTS. Which connects with Count Dooku being handed the plans for Darth Sidious there in AOTC.

I believe it might be shown as the Death Star's construction site in the updated Star Tours ride. Nothing directly points to it in the Prequels, but clearly he had the idea during production.

 

[Enterprise1701]

Wookieepedia says that new mobile games are canon. Is that actually possible under the new official policy?

 

[The Wormhole]

Waitaminute.

I thought *ALL* the novels were no longer canon.

So SOME novels are still canon? (Movie novelizations aside.)

The party line is that all novels licensed by Disney are considered canon, like the aforementioned Tarkin novel.

Personally, I think this is thoughtless and irresponsible of Disney, and they should know better given the recent ruckus over the EU.

The movies will always come first, and are going to have some big name writers and directors attached to them, from the looks of it. There is no way they are going to be required to make their movies consistent with novels, in fact it's questionable they'd even be required to stay consistent with Clone Wars or Rebels. So calling these novels "canon" is just going to lead to the same problems and headaches the EU dealt with, even before Disney de-canonised everything.

I disagree. It will be relatively easy to maintain continuity as long as the various parts of the Star Wars creative teams stay in contact through a central hub. There even could be a few staffers responsible for creating a private DisneyPedia™ that can be referenced by screen writers and novelists.

As long as Disney keeps pursuing big name writers and directors for its Star Wars movies, they're going to run into someone whose attitude is "I'll make my Star Wars movie. I'll make it consistent with the other movies, obviously, but I don't give a damn what went on in novels. comics, or video games." Do we really believe Disney is going to turn away one of Hollywood's elite just so they can keep a movie consistent with the tie-in material?

And what's with elevating the tie-in material like this anyway? Tie-in material should only supplement the franchise, be another facet through which it can be enjoyed. Not actually be a serious component of the franchise's tapestry that requires coordination with all the various media.

Damn, Star Trek has the right idea all along, only TV shows and movies are canon, the rest of it doesn't matter. It's working out pretty good over there.

 

[BillJ]

The party line is that all novels licensed by Disney are considered canon, like the aforementioned Tarkin novel.

Personally, I think this is thoughtless and irresponsible of Disney, and they should know better given the recent ruckus over the EU.

The movies will always come first, and are going to have some big name writers and directors attached to them, from the looks of it. There is no way they are going to be required to make their movies consistent with novels, in fact it's questionable they'd even be required to stay consistent with Clone Wars or Rebels. So calling these novels "canon" is just going to lead to the same problems and headaches the EU dealt with, even before Disney de-canonised everything.

I disagree. It will be relatively easy to maintain continuity as long as the various parts of the Star Wars creative teams stay in contact through a central hub. There even could be a few staffers responsible for creating a private DisneyPedia™ that can be referenced by screen writers and novelists.

As long as Disney keeps pursuing big name writers and directors for its Star Wars movies, they're going to run into someone whose attitude is "I'll make my Star Wars movie. I'll make it consistent with the other movies, obviously, but I don't give a damn what went on in novels. comics, or video games." Do we really believe Disney is going to turn away one of Hollywood's elite just so they can keep a movie consistent with the tie-in material?

And what's with elevating the tie-in material like this anyway? Tie-in material should only supplement the franchise, be another facet through which it can be enjoyed. Not actually be a serious component of the franchise's tapestry that requires coordination with all the various media.

Damn, Star Trek has the right idea all along, only TV shows and movies are canon, the rest of it doesn't matter. It's working out pretty good over there.

I guess growing up with Kirk in command of the Excelsior between STIII and STIV (DC Comics) made me more interested in the widest variety of stories possible. I didn't care if they couldn't have happened in the official canon or not.

 

[The Wormhole]

I disagree. It will be relatively easy to maintain continuity as long as the various parts of the Star Wars creative teams stay in contact through a central hub. There even could be a few staffers responsible for creating a private DisneyPedia™ that can be referenced by screen writers and novelists.

As long as Disney keeps pursuing big name writers and directors for its Star Wars movies, they're going to run into someone whose attitude is "I'll make my Star Wars movie. I'll make it consistent with the other movies, obviously, but I don't give a damn what went on in novels. comics, or video games." Do we really believe Disney is going to turn away one of Hollywood's elite just so they can keep a movie consistent with the tie-in material?

And what's with elevating the tie-in material like this anyway? Tie-in material should only supplement the franchise, be another facet through which it can be enjoyed. Not actually be a serious component of the franchise's tapestry that requires coordination with all the various media.

Damn, Star Trek has the right idea all along, only TV shows and movies are canon, the rest of it doesn't matter. It's working out pretty good over there.

I guess growing up with Kirk in command of the Excelsior between STIII and STIV (DC Comics) made me more interested in the widest variety of stories possible. I didn't care if they couldn't have happened in the official canon or not.

That specific example sounds like it's taking going from one extreme to another. Still, I approve the spirit back then of just doing whatever provided it was entertaining over all this fretting over keeping everything consistent with each other.