Roberto Orci want both Shatner and Nimoy in Star Trek 3

[Agenda]

wow, my interested in these Trek movies is officially dead. If STID and now Orci directing wasn't enough, this is the nail in the coffin.

 

[BillJ]

wow, my interested in these Trek movies is officially dead. If STID and now Orci directing wasn't enough, this is the nail in the coffin.

Meh. Shatner and Nimoy in the next film isn't my first choice but as long as its entertaining, it's all good.

 

[urbandefault]

ST09 was the origin story, STID built on the Kirk & Spock friendship. If they're bringing in Shatner and Nimoy as the "future" versions of these characters to bookend the trilogy, I'm all for it.

It would be a nice sendoff for Bill and Leonard, since we don't know how much longer they'll be around (and they know it), and "possibly" a great 50th anniversary gift for the fans.

I'm content to wait and see.

 

[BillJ]

ST09 was the origin story, STID built on the Kirk & Spock friendship. If they're bringing in Shatner and Nimoy as the "future" versions of these characters to bookend the trilogy, I'm all for it.

It would be a nice sendoff for Bill and Leonard, since we don't know how much longer they'll be around (and they know it), and "possibly" a great 50th anniversary gift for the fans.

I'm content to wait and see.

There is simply no way I won't be at Star Trek 3 on opening night. Whether Shatner and Nimoy are in the movie or not.

 

[Set Harth]

https://mobile.twitter.com/WilliamShatner/status/519286502136627200?p=v

 

[Khan 2.0]

heres its been revealed already
http://trekmovie.com/2014/10/06/rumor-how-to-get-nimoy-and-shatner-into-star-trek-2016-revealed/

 

[BillJ]

heres its been revealed already
http://trekmovie.com/2014/10/06/rumor-how-to-get-nimoy-and-shatner-into-star-trek-2016-revealed/

They probably got the "rumor" from this site. We've been bouncing around that idea since the possibility of Shatner appearing in the next film first popped up.

 

[ralph]

heres its been revealed already
http://trekmovie.com/2014/10/06/rumor-how-to-get-nimoy-and-shatner-into-star-trek-2016-revealed/

I think it could be a good ideia. It could make it a bit cooler, without trying too hard though.

 

[Shaka Zulu]

Re: Roberto Orci want both Shatner and Limoy in Star Trek 3

nope to the highest level of NOPE

I like these movies for the new characters and the possibilities of this being another reality. Stid already had too much fanservice but I'm still here hoping that they get back to what made the first movie new and successful. If they won't and the third movie will be a fan service fest I hope to read the spoilers in time so that I can save myself from being too disappointed and perhaps I can decide to not watch it at all and move on.


eta: not that I believe this rumor but as a general feeling I worry that Orci and the two new writers WILL do even more fanservice and fanpandering than in stid.

Orci is human and with him being a first time director and also his history with the fans over trekmovie (that in no way are the majority of the fandom but try to explain it to some people there... ) he might try to keep it too 'safe' and do a third movie trying to appease that very vocal minority of people online, which is a terrible idea.
It doesn't make me feel better that the new writers helping him also are first timers when it comes to big franchises and they need to prove themselves so I fear that these 3 people will think way too much about what tos elitists want.
People like JJ are everything this franchise needs precisely because he will never do a movie just for the star trek fans (or at least those vocal online who want everything to be like tos and can't let go of Shatner&co)
People like him don't give a damn about what haters say. He's a successful director, he has confidence over his job now and the box office proved him right. I suspect he doesn't even bother reading what fans or haters say online.
Orci on the other hand interacts way too much with the fanboys over trekmovie and I never liked that. Granted, he interacts to defend himself and his movies for the most part but again, he's still human.. and no one likes getting criticized...

nope to the highest level of NOPE

I like these movies for the new characters and the possibilities of this being another reality. Stid already had too much fanservice but I'm still here hoping that they get back to what made the first movie new and successful. If they won't and the third movie will be a fan service fest I hope to read the spoilers in time so that I can save myself from being too disappointed and perhaps I can decide to not watch it at all and move on.


eta: not that I believe this rumor but as a general feeling I worry that Orci and the two new writers WILL do even more fanservice and fanpandering than in stid.

Orci is human and with him being a first time director and also his history with the fans over trekmovie (that in no way are the majority of the fandom but try to explain it to some people there... ) he might try to keep it too 'safe' and do a third movie trying to appease that very vocal minority of people online, which is a terrible idea.
It doesn't make me feel better that the new writers helping him also are first timers when it comes to big franchises and they need to prove themselves so I fear that these 3 people will think way too much about what tos elitists want.
People like JJ are everything this franchise needs precisely because he will never do a movie just for the star trek fans (or at least those vocal online who want everything to be like tos and can't let go of Shatner&co)
People like him don't give a damn about what haters say. He's a successful director, he has confidence over his job now and the box office proved him right. I suspect he doesn't even bother reading what fans or haters say online.
Orci on the other hand interacts way too much with the fanboys over trekmovie and I never liked that. Granted, he interacts to defend himself and his movies for the most part but again, he's still human.. and no one likes getting criticized...

Malakia or Majra which even name you go by is fine with me but I agree as well. I think the people on trekmovie may not be all that in tune with the fans outside the trek bubble.

I have been on other sites like slash films and ign and the fans there all are saying the same thing. the whole point of the new film was to break away and start fresh and new so why raise up the dead and so on. Nimoy and Shatner have had their time. Orci needs to let it go.

http://uk.ign.com/articles/2014/09/23/william-shatner-and-leonard-nimoy-in-star-trek-3

http://www.slashfilm.com/william-shatner-star-trek-3/

I will not mind small cameos from them like what Stan lee does in the marvel films but in no way do I want a new story line of a resurrected Shatner as Kirk and an old 129 year old Spock in the new films trying to live out their glory days.

Same here; these fans who want this to happen really, really need to 'get a life' as Shatner said on SNL, and Abrams, Orci, & Kurtzman need to tell them to put the frack up or shut the frack up (and stick to watching the older shows, movies and fan shows if they can't stand the new movies.)

It would be a nice sendoff for Bill and Leonard, since we don't know how much longer they'll be around (and they know it), and "possibly" a great 50th anniversary gift for the fans.

Bill & Leonard already had a 'send-off; of sorts; it was called Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country.

 

[F. King Daniel]

heres its been revealed already
http://trekmovie.com/2014/10/06/rumor-how-to-get-nimoy-and-shatner-into-star-trek-2016-revealed/

Me likey. ST'09 and ID have been very much defined by the Kirk and Spock friendship, seeing them as BFF's in old age (Bones in TNG was 137) would make an excellent bookend.

 

[Morpheus 02]

Re: Roberto Orci want both Shatner and Limoy in Star Trek 3

This likely won't be a very popular thing to say, and I certainly intend no disrespect to Shatner or Nimoy, i'm just speaking from the standpoint of reality... But the flip of that coin is that this may be the last chance we get, as a fan base, to commune with the original two. Forever.

It's the 50th. It's a once in a life time moment, and Trek is one of only a few franchises to make it this far and still be relevant and viable in at least some fashion. I don't know, with all due seriousness, if this is so black and white as "yes they should" or "no they shouldn't."

I agree...it's the last time (realistically)...I think there's a way to do it.

My wish many years ago would have been Shatner appearing, with goatee but no toupee, in the TNG era as someone who was in possession of a missing 1701-A, and acts like he COULD have been Kirk. At the end of the episode, flies off to parts unknown.

Then or now, his character would be vague enough to POSSIBLY be the Kirk we know, or someone new altogether -- basically how Tom Baker played the Curator recently. That was vague yet familiar, and totally added to the show, yet not taking away from the other doctors.


Oorrrr...maybe they could remake the episode (Miri?) and have Shatner play an aged nuKirk?

 

[xavier]

Re: Roberto Orci want both Shatner and Limoy in Star Trek 3

nope to the highest level of NOPE

I like these movies for the new characters and the possibilities of this being another reality. Stid already had too much fanservice but I'm still here hoping that they get back to what made the first movie new and successful. If they won't and the third movie will be a fan service fest I hope to read the spoilers in time so that I can save myself from being too disappointed and perhaps I can decide to not watch it at all and move on.


eta: not that I believe this rumor but as a general feeling I worry that Orci and the two new writers WILL do even more fanservice and fanpandering than in stid.

Orci is human and with him being a first time director and also his history with the fans over trekmovie (that in no way are the majority of the fandom but try to explain it to some people there... ) he might try to keep it too 'safe' and do a third movie trying to appease that very vocal minority of people online, which is a terrible idea.
It doesn't make me feel better that the new writers helping him also are first timers when it comes to big franchises and they need to prove themselves so I fear that these 3 people will think way too much about what tos elitists want.
People like JJ are everything this franchise needs precisely because he will never do a movie just for the star trek fans (or at least those vocal online who want everything to be like tos and can't let go of Shatner&co)
People like him don't give a damn about what haters say. He's a successful director, he has confidence over his job now and the box office proved him right. I suspect he doesn't even bother reading what fans or haters say online.
Orci on the other hand interacts way too much with the fanboys over trekmovie and I never liked that. Granted, he interacts to defend himself and his movies for the most part but again, he's still human.. and no one likes getting criticized...

Malakia or Majra which even name you go by is fine with me but I agree as well. I think the people on trekmovie may not be all that in tune with the fans outside the trek bubble.

I have been on other sites like slash films and ign and the fans there all are saying the same thing. the whole point of the new film was to break away and start fresh and new so why raise up the dead and so on. Nimoy and Shatner have had their time. Orci needs to let it go.

http://uk.ign.com/articles/2014/09/23/william-shatner-and-leonard-nimoy-in-star-trek-3

http://www.slashfilm.com/william-shatner-star-trek-3/

I will not mind small cameos from them like what Stan lee does in the marvel films but in no way do I want a new story line of a resurrected Shatner as Kirk and an old 129 year old Spock in the new films trying to live out their glory days.

Same here; these fans who want this to happen really, really need to 'get a life' as Shatner said on SNL, and Abrams, Orci, & Kurtzman need to tell them to put the frack up or shut the frack up (and stick to watching the older shows, movies and fan shows if they can't stand the new movies.)

It would be a nice sendoff for Bill and Leonard, since we don't know how much longer they'll be around (and they know it), and "possibly" a great 50th anniversary gift for the fans.

Bill & Leonard already had a 'send-off; of sorts; it was called Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country.

Thank you. I feel as if most people here may not understand the gravity of what they are saying. They want the old guys back for Nostalgic reasons and not for plot or story but what they do not get is that TIME is a respecter of no man.

TOS kirk and spock's time have gone, their time has passed. lets stop trying to bring them back. The new cast are awesome in every way and they have the same chemistry as the old cast.

Why cant we dedicate the whole film to them and them alone like the 6 tos film was dedicated to TOS and TOS alone. Why must we be reminded that a group of people who are the identical counterparts of this new casts existed a long time ago in the new films... why?

The way this film is going and by the time the trilogy ends. the point of the AOS universe would have been defeated because TOS will have influenced it a little too much.

STID is already over influenced by wrath of khan. the film can not even stand on its own and now they want ST 2016 to be a lot about TOS kirk and spock.

I do not like this at all and by the time 2016 ends I may have only star trek 2009 on my shelf when it comes to the alternate universe films series

I do not want any plot line to include tos kirk and spock. a stan lee cameo is what is best for them and not a plot that they want to play a major part in.

This new cast can not even get enough screen time for all of them and now they are trying to make space and time for the old guys who have already had 79 episodes and 6 films under their belts....Its just RIDICULOUS.

 

[BillJ]

Re: Roberto Orci want both Shatner and Limoy in Star Trek 3

Thank you. I feel as if most people here may not understand the gravity of what they are saying. Rhey want the old guys back for Nostalgic reasons and not for plot or story but what they do not get is that TIME is a respecter of no man.

I'm sorry, there is no "gravity" to this situation. It is a God-damned movie. If you don't like the choices made, then simply don't go see it. But quit trying to act like this is somehow important in the grand scheme of things.

 

[marillion]

Given the nature of Chris Pine's Kirk, you can be there will be some self deprecating hair/gut jokes in there (unless Shat nixes that idea)...

I'm all in on this!!

I really like the idea of Shatner and Nimoy in this together as long as Kirk isn't Kirk "Prime"...

And while this isn't on-subject, it's got me thinking about Spock Prime's personal directive about not interfering with the course of history in the new alternate universe... It just seems to me, like he did with Kahn, that there are times where his insights into the future could save countless lives... V'ger comes to mind... The probe from ST:IV... Seems to me that since he's not affecting his Prime timeline, what could it hurt to help history along... Anyway... Sorry for that.. I know it's been hashed again and again...

 

[Khan 2.0]

I remember in the 90s/00s reading an article from Mark Altman wanting Shatner and nimoy should come back somehow for a movie... now it looks like its happening

So Nimoy will be able to play his age at last (no grey wig/age up make up)

the question is will old alt Spock still be screaming and thumping people like his younger self?

 

[M'Sharak]

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Same here; these fans who want this to happen really, really need to 'get a life' as Shatner said on SNL, and Abrams, Orci, & Kurtzman need to tell them to put the frack up or shut the frack up (and stick to watching the older shows, movies and fan shows if they can't stand the new movies.)
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I'm pretty sure I've asked you before to refrain from taking pokes at other fans or groups of fans. Please do better.

[...]

Thank you. I feel as if most people here may not understand the gravity of what they are saying.

Careful. You wouldn't want to give the impression that you're again calling other posters ignorant.

 

[Joel_Kirk]

I'm personally with the crowd of having the nuCrew on their own (sans any cameos) in an original story.

Since they began their adventures, I haven't really learned anything about this new crew. (A lot of showing, not telling). Hence, a strong - wishful thinking - third entry allowing the nuCrew to shine would be cool.

 

[thumbtack]

A lot of showing, not telling.

As per Screenwriting 101.

 

[BillJ]

A lot of showing, not telling.

As per Screenwriting 101.

I always thought the point of the visual medium was to show and not tell. I think people got used to the shows from the Berman years explaining things in painfully dull detail.

 

[bbailey861]

I'll be very happy if they can work them both, meaningfully, into the film. For those that don't want to see them, don't go. Either way, I'll be there watching, probably several times.