Spock is 35/36 years old as of that episode, right? So are we saying that Spock was conceived years before they got married/bonded?such as Sarek and Amanda being married for 22 years as of "Journey to Babel"
Spock is 35/36 years old as of that episode, right? So are we saying that Spock was conceived years before they got married/bonded?such as Sarek and Amanda being married for 22 years as of "Journey to Babel"
Spock is 35/36 years old as of that episode, right? So are we saying that Spock was conceived years before they got married/bonded?such as Sarek and Amanda being married for 22 years as of "Journey to Babel"
Spock is 35/36 years old as of that episode, right? So are we saying that Spock was conceived years before they got married/bonded?such as Sarek and Amanda being married for 22 years as of "Journey to Babel"
For the first few years Sarek and Amanda shared an illicit love... one they were afraid wouldn't be understood by society at large.![]()
(facepalm)
My mistake, I suppose. For some reason, that number was stuck in my head....![]()
Not on my TV set. I often wondered, even in my early teens, why Rand was so old.But Rand is supposed to be yeoman to Kirk's captain. Grace may have been older than Shatner by a couple of years...but she looked younger--
I can't believe I just read that Amanda had a "bun in the oven".![]()
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And the worst part is--the point in that Brilliantly Impassioned Monologue was totally lost in one little mistake....
Not on my TV set. I often wondered, even in my early teens, why Rand was so old.But Rand is supposed to be yeoman to Kirk's captain. Grace may have been older than Shatner by a couple of years...but she looked younger--
Wasn't soft enough.
Not on my TV set. I often wondered, even in my early teens, why Rand was so old.But Rand is supposed to be yeoman to Kirk's captain. Grace may have been older than Shatner by a couple of years...but she looked younger--
We loved Grace when I was at school, especially that hideous soft focus they used to try and glam her up.![]()
She's half Scalosian.Wasn't soft enough.
Any blurrier and she'd have looked like a Tholian. Mind you, we never saw Janice and the Tholian in the same room at the same time...![]()
I also prefer an older actress and not a 20 year old. I think it could be even interesting to make the character significant older than Kirk, someone in her late 40s. All the other characters are very young. An Admiral could have had the opinion, that there should be at least one very experienced officer on board to keep them from being careless or at least save their lives, when their inexperience put them in danger.
That could be an interesting dynamic. On the one had the very experienced security chief, whose job it is to protect the crew and especially the high ranking bridge officers, and on the other hand the young inexperienced hot headed captain, who often acts impulsive on his instincts.
Giotto was also quite old in TOS.
http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Giotto
Rand in her late 40s?
No...no...no.
Sorry. Chekov's age adjustment was bad enough--but THIS?
If you're going to do that, just create another character, for goodness sake. Make that character "security chief".
(For that matter--let's have Giotto! I always like him, and was dissapointed he was only in one ep....)
But Rand is supposed to be yeoman to Kirk's captain. Grace may have been older than Shatner by a couple of years...but she looked younger--and the characterization had her as younger.
Sorry, but I'm going with the Star Trek Chronology standard--use info cut from the script (such as Sarek and Amanda being married for such-and-such a number of years as of "Journey to Babel"). In this case...by "Miri", she's 24. (Perhaps, as the thing in Enterprise: TFA on her legal age being three years older than her actual age, actually 21. Again, that's actually consistant with Kirk's age in that book setting it in 2262.)
Perhaps, in that case, it may actually be best to put off introducing Rand for a while, as Trek XI is set in 2258, making Kirk 25, and Rand 16/13!
Yeah. Put Rand off for a while....
I also prefer an older actress and not a 20 year old. I think it could be even interesting to make the character significant older than Kirk, someone in her late 40s. All the other characters are very young. An Admiral could have had the opinion, that there should be at least one very experienced officer on board to keep them from being careless or at least save their lives, when their inexperience put them in danger.
That could be an interesting dynamic. On the one had the very experienced security chief, whose job it is to protect the crew and especially the high ranking bridge officers, and on the other hand the young inexperienced hot headed captain, who often acts impulsive on his instincts.
Giotto was also quite old in TOS.
http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Giotto
I don't see how she can play anything other than an antagonist bit part. At this point she was just a lab tech at Starfleet.I think the A-plot is a tough call. I'm hoping they can work in a way to use Carol somehow.
The B-plot involving T'Pring or some other variation is easier to presume. Spock and Uhura can't just be left to coast along, basking in their love. Bringing in his fiancee and dredging issues of racial purity, his obligations to his species etc, will allow them to do this. It has the double whammy of using established TOS characters and backstory to excite the nerds, and it is a convenient way to involve Sarek and (I hope) T'Pau.
But, see, "sign this PADD" is, dramatically, a really lame excuse to begin with. It's like including an unusual amount of bathroom scenes just to give the janitor a few extra lines. If you're not above making up excuses anyway, you shouldn't have any trouble coming up with one for the security chief (assuming, of course, that they actually need one; Doctor McCoy sure doesn't, and at least one of the stations on the remodeled bridge is probably a security console).Make her the official security chief and you lose several dimensions. It becomes her primary role and you have to think of a reason beyond, 'sign this PADD' to have her in a particular location
Technically the entire crew--with the possible exception of Bones--is on the young side. This could be explained by some tradition of Starfleet policy: new recruits train together in blocs and go to their first assignment together (like DS9's "Red Squad") and then ship out together on their first assignment under the command of the officers responsible for their training. In a way this is already sort of established in TWOK, where Spock is seen taking charge of Starfleet academy and even overseeing the training mission on the Enterprise. Bones asks "Wouldn't it be easier to just put an experienced crew back on the ship?" which to me implies that the trainees in question were being groomed specifically for the Enterprise' next five-year mission, and Saavik--potentially--for the role of Captain.I'm not totally averse to making her a security officer (although security chief - meh - these characters are far too young for it to be credible
Flexibility isn't always a good thing, especially in a movie series. You might find time to exploit those opportunities in TV series where you sometimes have to come up with fluff material just to fill a story gap anyway. But in a major motion picture, when the editor has to figure out what to keep and what to cut, the first scenes to go are going to be those cute little zinger-dialog moments that don't really impact the major events that cause the story to take shape. This is why alot of the Kirk/Gaila dialog was cut, and why the entire Rurapenthe scene wound up getting compressed into fifteen seconds of dialog.I don't view the position of yeoman as having less inherent worth and I think that as a character it would give her wider opportunities.
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