Roberto Orci Offers Star Trek 2 Update
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Good guesses all around. Sulu, Chekov and Scotty will get bones thrown to them in minor scenes, while Kirk, Spock and Uhura continue to suck up all the air in the room.
However, for Kirk, I don't think the issue will be Starfleet saying he's too young for command - then why did they give him command, that calls into question Starfleet's competence, not Kirk's! - I think Kirk himself will be the one to question whether he's in over his head when he, well, gets in over his head.
There's some fan disgruntlement over Kirk being cocky. The solution is for Kirk himself to be the one who takes himself down a peg. Kirk develops as a character, the fans stop bitching. For ten seconds.
I might be wrong but I thought most 25 year old males were rather cocky.
I never saw this interview before, but it fits quite well. As for the Klingons being the force to deal with, anybody listen to the writer's comments on the second dvd. They come right out and say that they have to revisit "Rura Penthe" which is a subplot in STVI. I think this might also be the reason why we heard Archer's name mentioned. Up until this point, he's the only one that escaped from the prison planet. And what exactly did Spock Prime mean when he said that he had failed. Did he have an agenda that included changing the timeline in some respect?
These I suspect are likely:
No Romulans
No Doomsday Machine (done destroying planets already)
Spock/Uhura relationship tensions
Chekov comedy 'nomance' with female crew member (possibly Rand?
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Big McCoy acting scene, saving life of major character old-fashioned way (with Urban doing scene justice)
Scotty getting drunk (Pegg comedy moment)
Christine Chapel
Major space battle (more along lines of oldTrek movies rather than Kelvin ass-kicking; Enterprise gets damaged; Scotty has to fix - and would give excuse to change engineering in third film)
Interested to see what others might add (apart from obvious ones like: Kirk gets fight scene/shirt ripped *snort*
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No Romulans
No Doomsday Machine (done destroying planets already)
Spock/Uhura relationship tensions
Chekov comedy 'nomance' with female crew member (possibly Rand?
)Big McCoy acting scene, saving life of major character old-fashioned way (with Urban doing scene justice)
Scotty getting drunk
(Pegg comedy moment)Christine Chapel
Major space battle (more along lines of oldTrek movies rather than Kelvin ass-kicking; Enterprise gets damaged; Scotty has to fix - and would give excuse to change engineering in third film)
Interested to see what others might add (apart from obvious ones like: Kirk gets fight scene/shirt ripped *snort*
)
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Nope. I've known ones with a much wider range of personality types, including ones who were intelligent and mature even at that young age, which isn't all that young, it's several years past college after all.
Besides, Kirk isn't just anyone.
or... what about these : :P
1. At the beginning, they will go to the first mission. Kirk will argue with Spock. Well, like their usual fight. At last, it was Spock who is right. The ship successfully finish their first mission.
2. Spock's logic and not romantic behavior make Uhura uneasy. These couples will argue with a lot of things, and Uhura start to question her choice to love Spock.
3. The ship will get distress signal when they return from the mission. They found a abandoned starship. once again Spock and Kirk argue about things. Kirk choose to ignore Spock advice and go with his own idea.
4. The distress Signal is a trap. A pirate or something ambush the enterprise. Without Kirk and Spock as the commander, Sulu, Chekov, Uhura, and Scotty must work together to win the day. Well, they are win, but with the cost of a lot of ship sub system; including warp capability, transporter, and long range communication system. their shuttle bay was even shot so no shuttle can go to save the away team.
5. in the abandoned Ship, Spock get hit and goes to Coma. as a non Vulcan expert, McCoy can't do anything. The doctor suggest that they must bring Spock as quick as possible to the nearest Federation Hospital. or else, Spock will die.
6. Kirk will blame himself, think that he is too young as a captain and bring disaster to his ship. McCoy will slap him and bring him back with reasoning.
7. Sulu and Chekov will do their best to save the away team, Scotty will do his best to make the ship work again, Uhura will struggle with contacting Starfleet / people to ask for help. In away team, McCoy will try his best to keep Spock alive (with the limited equipment)
8. Their effort bring fruition after a vulcan medical starship come to help. Spock is saved, but a new problem come. The ambusher return with more ships. Now, with the help of his new family, Kirk will save the day.
But... hmm.... no. It is a bad idea
1. At the beginning, they will go to the first mission. Kirk will argue with Spock. Well, like their usual fight. At last, it was Spock who is right. The ship successfully finish their first mission.
2. Spock's logic and not romantic behavior make Uhura uneasy. These couples will argue with a lot of things, and Uhura start to question her choice to love Spock.
3. The ship will get distress signal when they return from the mission. They found a abandoned starship. once again Spock and Kirk argue about things. Kirk choose to ignore Spock advice and go with his own idea.
4. The distress Signal is a trap. A pirate or something ambush the enterprise. Without Kirk and Spock as the commander, Sulu, Chekov, Uhura, and Scotty must work together to win the day. Well, they are win, but with the cost of a lot of ship sub system; including warp capability, transporter, and long range communication system. their shuttle bay was even shot so no shuttle can go to save the away team.
5. in the abandoned Ship, Spock get hit and goes to Coma. as a non Vulcan expert, McCoy can't do anything. The doctor suggest that they must bring Spock as quick as possible to the nearest Federation Hospital. or else, Spock will die.
6. Kirk will blame himself, think that he is too young as a captain and bring disaster to his ship. McCoy will slap him and bring him back with reasoning.
7. Sulu and Chekov will do their best to save the away team, Scotty will do his best to make the ship work again, Uhura will struggle with contacting Starfleet / people to ask for help. In away team, McCoy will try his best to keep Spock alive (with the limited equipment)
8. Their effort bring fruition after a vulcan medical starship come to help. Spock is saved, but a new problem come. The ambusher return with more ships. Now, with the help of his new family, Kirk will save the day.
But... hmm.... no. It is a bad idea
These I suspect are likely:
No Romulans
No Doomsday Machine (done destroying planets already)
Spock/Uhura relationship tensions
Chekov comedy 'nomance' with female crew member (possibly Rand?
Big McCoy acting scene, saving life of major character old-fashioned way (with Urban doing scene justice)
Scotty getting drunk
Christine Chapel
Major space battle (more along lines of oldTrek movies rather than Kelvin ass-kicking; Enterprise gets damaged; Scotty has to fix - and would give excuse to change engineering in third film)
Interested to see what others might add (apart from obvious ones like: Kirk gets fight scene/shirt ripped *snort*
Yes, I think this is likely to cover it. I suspect that Spock will be troubled by his 'duty' to his Vulcan heritage compared to his desire for a relationship with Uhura, exacerbated by the presence of a Vulcan woman (T'Pring?) on a mission.
If Kirk has a crisis of confidence, I'd like to see McCoy prop him up with some pragmatic advice, if only because Spock gets enough airtime and has enough problems of his own. If Rand is going to feature too, she could also fulfill this role as part of her brief, but there is enough history there that it suits McCoy more. I'd really like Rand to feture as Kirk's yeoman/assistant/bodyguard to give her a wider remit than TOS, although I think one romantic relationship among the crew is enough so little more than a firsson between her and Kirk. Introducing a spiky relationship with Carol as part of the Vulcan aftermath plot might work better though (she is a planetary scientist after all).
^Rand as Kirk's bodyguard?
Don't we have a tomboy-tough-"cool-girl" in NuUhura already--and aren't a lot of fans WHINING about that?
(Or are you thinking more along the lines of Muammar Gadaffi's "bodyguards"...?)
Don't we have a tomboy-tough-"cool-girl" in NuUhura already--and aren't a lot of fans WHINING about that?
(Or are you thinking more along the lines of Muammar Gadaffi's "bodyguards"...?)
If Rand was made head of security or something instead of a yeoman, it could work. As far as romance, just tease a romance between Kirk and Rand. Kirk gets the girl in the XIII perhaps?
Really? I've seen fans unhappy about Uhura being in a relationship with Spock, I've seen fans whining that she only got to do more because her additional scenes related to her being a 'love interest', I've seen criticism that she's a bit too thin to pull off a skant like Nichelle, but I've seen no criticism at all about her being a 'tomboy'! That surprises me quite a lot if that's true.
I don't really want Rand to be head of security because I loathe the obsession with department heads and senior officers. I like the fact that Rand is a non-com (most probably a petty officer since the Captain's Yeoman is quite a senior position and she was a chief petty officer by TMP). Plus the chief of security has a lot of other duties that might interfere with the plot.
As his yeoman she needs no excuse to be at Kirk's side whether on the bridge or on landing parties. It's a simple mechanism for allowing her to be in the thick of the action without needing an in-plot excuse (like you need to get Uhura away from her post - particularly when the writers forget relevant skills such as her fluency in Romulan and keep her on the ship instead of sending her on an away mission where the ability to understand Romulan could be crucial).
I speak of Rand as a 'bodyguard' only in that a modern version of the captain's yeoman should be combat-trained and capable of covering his/her captain's back instead of cowering behind it like TOS Rand.
It's interesting that you choose to compare the situation to Gadaffi's exclusive use of female bodyguards. Surely the US President has female members of the Secret Service on his protection detail? I think perhaps you are ascribing a cultural bias to your definition of a 'bodyguard' as a hulking great man who beats down anybody who gets too close. Someone trained in security protocols who accompanies the captain could be viewed as a bodyguard whether they're male or female. Rand could be adjusted into the 21st century quite easily to fulfill that role. In fact, it would be more cringeworthy if all she gets to do is serve coffee and make eyes at Kirk. Even the original sixties character, who was the female lead until they fired Grace Lee Whitney lets not forget, had far more potential than that.
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It doesn't use that word, per se, but observe:
http://trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=137365
There've been older threads to that effect, too.
Ah. I see.
That I do not see. I don't recall Rand being a coward, or "cowering" behind Kirk, in TOS. And I've watched the Rand episodes over and over. She's on the ship in all episodes but one, "Miri"--in which she did cover Kirk's back, warning him about the kid's getting ready to attack him. And...she certainly did NOT cower when the kids were holding her hostage.
I can assure you, that was not my intent. I was using an exaggerated example to illustrate my point. Namely: "What--she's his bodyguard, as if he either can't take care of himself, or else is running short on security officers*? Or is he giving her a 'legitimate' front, a la Gadaffi?"
Of course, you explain above that you mean covering his back--which is far more acceptable.
And I firmly agree with that. I am simply saying it would be unfair and insulting to re-vamp her character for purposes of "coolness", like they re-vamped Uhura.
Use the potential shown in TOS's Rand--definitely. Change her and make her a stereotypical "tough-cool-gal"--absolutely not.
Just keep the essence of the character, and I'll be happy--and by that, I mean Grace's own description of her in The Longest Trek: "An innocent--sexy and efficient, but also wide-eyed, honest, and virtuous."
Have her hold her own in a fight--but don't make her Laura Croft.
That's all I ask.
*(Come to think of it, though...this IS the TOS era, wherein security guards have an unfortunate stigma, if you know what I mean....)
There's a hilarious Youtube video, something like 'Should Rand have stayed on the ship?' where they examine her 'best' moments, which included her using McCoy (I think) as a human shield in ' Miri.' 
It's certainly worth a look when thinking about how to modernise the character and it is very funny.
I always saw Janice as being a comic character who could get a great double act going with Scotty or Chekov. They could also allude to her 'future' role under Sulu's command, which had its roots (no pun intended) in the botany scene of 'the Man Trap'.
I'd quite like to see her as an overzealous, overprotective yeoman, wrestling Carol Marcus to the floor when she charges in spitting blood and fire or 'protecting' him from that orion slave girl because, 'I thought I saw a knife, sir,' followed by Kirk's enquiry as to exactly where she could hide the knife in that space bikini.
It may just be me, but I find Janice a lot easier to write for than Uhura or Chapel because Janice's role is so flexible and the others are much more serious characters.
It's certainly worth a look when thinking about how to modernise the character and it is very funny.I always saw Janice as being a comic character who could get a great double act going with Scotty or Chekov. They could also allude to her 'future' role under Sulu's command, which had its roots (no pun intended) in the botany scene of 'the Man Trap'.
I'd quite like to see her as an overzealous, overprotective yeoman, wrestling Carol Marcus to the floor when she charges in spitting blood and fire or 'protecting' him from that orion slave girl because, 'I thought I saw a knife, sir,' followed by Kirk's enquiry as to exactly where she could hide the knife in that space bikini.
It may just be me, but I find Janice a lot easier to write for than Uhura or Chapel because Janice's role is so flexible and the others are much more serious characters.
I've been thinking about that for a long time. Especially considering that starships beyond about TWOK don't really seem to have Yeowman, nor should there really be a need for them on a vessel with 23rd century technology where most of a Yeowman's duties would be automated anyway.
"Security Chief Janice Rand" is alot more workable, character wise, than "Captain's secretary and coffee girl Janice Rand." I also doubt anyone would really complain; it's not as if Rand was a really outstanding character to begin with.
A noncom can't be head of security? Somehow I always thought "Sergeant Rand" had kind of an easy ring to it. Maybe have Kirk hear the name for the first time and five minutes later express surprise and bewilderment to discover that Sergeant Rand is actually a pretty woman with a phaser and a marksman certificate.
I would complain. Again, if fans would whine about changes in characterization for the mains...you can't have your cake and eat it, too.
"Sergeant" is army and marine terminology. Starfleet uses navy terminology. Technically, Rand's rank in TOS seems roughly akin to Petty Officer First Class.
And again--do NOT violate the character. Create a new character if you want to show us a "tough girl" Laura-Croft type. If you would give us Rand, give us RAND.
Rand is not the mushy stereotype so many seem to label her as. She has her emotional moments--but frankly, so did Kirk...and Spock, while we're at it (see: "The Naked Time"). But there is also "The Man Trap", where she gives some smiling attitude to a couple of smug oglers.
Besides, it's not as if innocence and "girl-next-door" femininity is unheard of in Modern Trek. See: Ezri Dax, Kes, Hoshi Sato....
There's a hilarious Youtube video, something like 'Should Rand have stayed on the ship?' where they examine her 'best' moments, which included her using McCoy (I think) as a human shield in ' Miri.'
I always saw Janice as being a comic character who could get a great double act going with Scotty or Chekov. They could also allude to her 'future' role under Sulu's command, which had its roots (no pun intended) in the botany scene of 'the Man Trap'.
I'd quite like to see her as an overzealous, overprotective yeoman, wrestling Carol Marcus to the floor when she charges in spitting blood and fire or 'protecting' him from that orion slave girl because, 'I thought I saw a knife, sir,' followed by Kirk's enquiry as to exactly where she could hide the knife in that space bikini.
It may just be me, but I find Janice a lot easier to write for than Uhura or Chapel because Janice's role is so flexible and the others are much more serious characters.
I like some of that--however, by no means should we dimiss her serious side.
Miss Whitney noted in Longest Trek that Gene actually wanted Rand to be to Kirk what Miss Kitty was to Marshall Dillon--the confidant, in a way that even Bones couldn't be. Bones and Jim talk man-to-man, Rand provides the feminine insight to Kirk. (For some reason, the writers didn't seem to take a liking to this--the only time we saw a hint of this was in "Balance of Terror", when Rand comes into Kirk's quarters and tries to cheer him up a bit.)
And of course, a lot of us must have read the notes by The Bird himself to the effect that Rand to have a "sister-brother" relationship with Spock, "...perhaps because beneath her swinging exterior is a motherly instinct for lonely men."
She was to be even more audacious towards Spock than Bones--again, feminine insight, seeing things another man wouldn't. Spock, amused, would respond in kind and guess at some of her secrets (definitely some "humor" here!).
I didn't know all of that but I think it does show that handled right, Rand had tons of potential as a character. I do find it frustrating that she was written off so early on and I have no doubt that the behind the scenes shenanigans were the real cause and not the official 'we want Kirk to play the field' nonsense (he flirts with Eve, Helen, and Lenore during Rand's tenure without missing a beat after all). I really hope that they can find some room for her in the sequel as more than a coffee-delivering cameo.
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