Roberto Orci Not Directing Trek XIII

[xavier]

I think it is interesting that some are been hard on orci. I feel so sorry for Orci. He clearly had a passion for the film but in a way I agree with some others are saying. giving a first time director 150-200 million to direct a film like trek 3 , may be a little too much.

 

[Franklin]

Norman Lear's shows, plus Soap, Barney Miller, and M*A*S*H broke far more new ground and raised far more adult issues than any Trek show ever did. In the 1980s, Roseanne, Hill Street Blues, and Murphy Brown dealt more often and openly with weightier issues than TNG did.

Could you provide specific concrete examples, please?

This is true.

At the exact same time as Trek, shows like Judd For The Defense were dramatizing social issues in a direct, contemporary fashion - issues that GR later liked to claim he had to disguise in order to slip by NBC's management. People don't remember those shows because it's really not enough that a drama "raise adult issues" for it to be remembered; Trek is actually remembered for the fact that it was colorful, somewhat sophisticated (for the time) and exciting fantasy of a sort that was pretty unique.

This is addressing Shazam asking for examples because for some reason, the quotes above are screwed up and it looks like I'm asking for them.

Like Dennis said, it's not that TOS didn't have occasional messages (however subtle), but it was hardly ground-breaking, unique to it, or what it should be remembered first for.

Eamples? In minority representation on screen during TOS's run:
-- Latino major characters on High Chaparral (1967-71) who weren't trivialized and even spoke Spanish to each other in the episodes.
-- I Spy (1965-68), with Bill Cosby in a lead role.
-- Julia (1968-71), first sitcom with a female African-American lead.
-- The Lucy Show (1962-68) had a strong female character who didn't rely on a man.
-- That Girl (1966-71) had a career-oriented female lead.
-- The Mod Squad (1968-73) had an African American and female lead.
-- Mission Impossible (1966-73) had an African American in a lead role.

There are probably others.

Examples of issues and other intelligent science fiction before and just after TOS's run:
-- The Defenders (1961-65) tackled civil rights issues and even abortion. The show won thirteen Emmys.
-- The Twilight Zone.
-- The Alfred Hitchcock Hour.
-- Gunsmoke dealt with racial issues, the meaning of family, being outsiders, and religious commitment. It addressed its issues by hiding behind the setting of the late 1800s west just as TOS hid behind the 23rd century and green-haired women.
-- 60 Minutes aired in 1968, bringing issues to prime time without a filter.

Again, there are probably others.

Certainly in the years immediately following the cancellation of TOS, network TV became even more overt about how they handled contemporary issues like sexuality, sexism, race relations, and such.

TOS was up there with high quality and intelligent-minded TV of the day, but it was no real ground-breaker or chance taker.

The other thing is, when TV did make it OK to bring formerly taboo issues right out into the open and address them almost matter-of-factly (gay characters, interracial couples, touchy political and social issues), relatively speaking in the new environment, TNG and its family of Trek shows played it very safe.

 

[Nerys Myk]

What audience did you think Star Trek was aiming for?

I dunno, I wasn't at the meetings. Presumably, it was your typical 18-34 male demographic, of which a percentage may not have been watching the other shows mentioned.

Memoirs and memos exist from the time. From those we know Star Trek was aimed for the adult audience, the audience that was watching other "adult" shows like the ones mentioned. Not sure if the "18-34 male demographic" was an actual thing back then.

I don't think anyone was trying to say anything about the impact of Star Trek or any TV show on the individual. And calling someone a snob for pointing out Star Trek wasn't quite the ground breaking show many fans think it is probably defines irony.

I wasn't calling anyone a snob for pointing out that Star Trek wasn't groundbreaking. I was suggesting that other shows were exploring similar themes doesn't diminish anything that an audience may have taken from Star Trek.

The irony is in calling someone a snob when Trek fandom is notoriously snobby.

 

[Dac]

...unless they suddenly felt like applying internal consistency and logic to scripts. That'd shoot down something like Into Darkness pretty fast.

That would shoot down much of Trek pretty fast.

It would destroy the holy continuity of the franchise.

What continuity? The whole fucking point of the JJverse is to free themselves from it, and what do they do? Go back to the biggest fucking deal in the franchise and try to make it their own!

...unless they suddenly felt like applying internal consistency and logic to scripts. That'd shoot down something like Into Darkness pretty fast.

That would shoot down much of Trek pretty fast.

That would have shot down the original series, that's for sure!

And thats why I only like about 3 or 4 episodes of TOS. TNG is the A/V equivalent of a warm blanket. The only Trek I think is actually good is latter DS9.

Just because I only enjoy a handful of the content, does that mean I have to be happy that new content is just as shitty?

 

[Amaris]

That would shoot down much of Trek pretty fast.

It would destroy the holy continuity of the franchise.

What continuity? The whole fucking point of the JJverse is to free themselves from it, and what do they do? Go back to the biggest fucking deal in the franchise and try to make it their own!

That would shoot down much of Trek pretty fast.

That would have shot down the original series, that's for sure!

And thats why I only like about 3 or 4 episodes of TOS. TNG is the A/V equivalent of a warm blanket. The only Trek I think is actually good is latter DS9.

Just because I only enjoy a handful of the content, does that mean I have to be happy that new content is just as shitty?

Certainly not, but it does mean your preferences are so that very little Star Trek will please you, which also means you are not the target demographic, because to conform to what you would want would leave the vast majority of the audience outside of it.

 

[Mudd]

Meh, there's no need for either of them the third time out. Let's hope the new director can think of something more inventive. After all, it's not like they're going to find another director who's as big a fan of oldTrek as Orci.

 

[Nerys Myk]

The irony is in calling someone a snob when Trek fandom is notoriously snobby.

Good job I didn't do that then

No, you write anything resembling the word snob in a post.

To say otherwise is borderline snobbery.

 

[Dac]

Certainly not, but it does mean your preferences are so that very little Star Trek will please you, which also means you are not the target demographic, because to conform to what you would want would leave the vast majority of the audience outside of it.

But I don't want a good Star Trek movie with the misty eyed earnestness of TMP. TMP is boring as shit.

I liked the 2009 film. I'm perfectly happy with Star Trek doing Die Hard. I just take objection to when it does Die Hard 5.

To quote Red Letter Media at the end of their Into Darkness review: "You can have a Star Trek action movie and it not be shit."

 

[Nerys Myk]

Good job I didn't do that then

No, you write anything resembling the word snob in a post.

To say otherwise is borderline snobbery.

EDIT: Whatever, you win.

Was there a competition?

 

[Shazam!]

Apparently. And it was vitally important that it was resolved.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Apparently. And it was vitally important that it was resolved.

Had no idea. I never win anything.

 

[BillJ]

To quote Red Letter Media at the end of their Into Darkness review: "You can have a Star Trek action movie and it not be shit."

Obviously, you've missed the point that lots of people don't think that Into Darkness is "shit".

 

[Devon]

Update: Someone at TrekMovie made a Trek-Reference to Orci about "Don't ever let someone take you out of that chair."

Orci's response?

"444. Boborci - December 7, 2014
428. Have not forgotten. On the contrary, factored into decision. Their are bigger chairs to consider"

 

[Cinema Geekly]

Update: Someone at TrekMovie made a Trek-Reference to Orci about "Don't ever let someone take you out of that chair."

Orci's response?

"444. Boborci - December 7, 2014
428. Have not forgotten. On the contrary, factored into decision. Their are bigger chairs to consider��"

Well that confirms it.

Paramount has officially made Bob Orci the Director of collecting every ones old Star Trek DVD's and burning them so as they can never be seen again!

 

[Malaika]

Bigger chairs? ...

maybe he will direct the next star wars, lol! Or maybe produce a trek tv series?
I'd lie if I said all his comments are clear to me but I guess it was his decision to not direct trek anymore.
I notice he doesn't seem to want to say if they'll still use his script and he's still involved as a writer. Seems bad.

I'm really worried about this movie now because it seems to be too late (for a 2016 release anyway) to restart everything now and get both new writers and script and director

 

[BillJ]

I'm really worried about this movie now because it seems to be too late (for a 2016 release anyway) to restart everything now and get both new writers and script and director

If they release in December 2016, they still have two years to make a movie.

 

[Borgminister]

"their"?

 

[Khan 2.0]

sounds to me like Paramount have offered him the Gene Roddenberry/Rick Berman position to develop/oversee/produce a new Trek tv series (probably due Sept 2016 for the 50th), maybe even to direct the pilot..

 

[Mudd]

"You can have a Star Trek action movie and it not be shit."

Paramount and Bad Robot have done just that, twice in a row. Watch them do it a third.

BTW, who is Red Letter Media? I mean, how many armchair nerds are actually involved in churning out their Youtube nonsense?

 

[BillJ]

sounds to me like Paramount have offered him the Gene Roddenberry/Rick Berman position to develop/oversee/produce a new Trek tv series (probably due Sept 2016 for the 50th), maybe even to direct the pilot..

Then he has nothing as CBS owns the TV rights. But, I think you're really reaching on no information.