Spoilers Robert Meyer Burnett: "Terra Firma" will ruin Trek canon

[Awesome Possum]

It’s the shit on Burnett thread now and it’s far superior to anything else it could be. He’s a hack and no one gives a shit if he’s mad at Star Trek. No one but other losers who are mad that Star Trek isn’t doing what they want it to do. It’s pathetic.

 

[Awesome Possum]

If someone wishes to cite them as an "authority", then yes I need to know who they are and what makes them an authority.

He met Shatner, that’s like being the pope to some fanboys.

 

[NCC-73515]

can we tune down the toxicity?

 

[fireproof78]

post how I don't care about star wars, would that make sense?

Makes sense to me. I would recommend moving on after it but people do weird stuff.

 

[TedShatner10]

It's old news but the Borg in VOY sucked, and had nothing to do with who was the captain.

They became overused and watered down by the end, but then again if they were written like they were in their better TNG episodes (not Lore's cultists) they'd remain a monolithic, overpowered, faceless one note menace ala V'Ger or the Whale Probe and then completely unbalanced/overrun the franchise's setting...

And not humanising/fleshing out of the Borg would've robbed us of very popular characters like Seven and Lore (and Borg Queens to a lesser extent) and the TNG cast's only truly decent film instalment.

So, swings and round abouts.

 

[Vger23]

Oh Christ, more outrage from lame-brained idiots (RMB).

Just what the works needs right now.

 

[Jayson1]

I feel like canon is important if your going with a shared universe which right now is what Discovery is still promoting itself as. Things got to feel like it's all connected in some fashion even though you can clearly tinker with this and that. I'm pretty sure canon would not be a issue if they would just say Discovery was set in a alternate timeline.

Just look at the Kelvinverse. For all the gripes it gets it's almost never about canon gripes. That is because.except for Spock living out his final days in it and in it's past and the Destruction of Romulus it has had no impact on any of the other shows. If Captain Jellico ends up Captain of the Enterprise D for example instead of Picard in that universe it doesn't matter. Different universe means different outcomes.

Jason

 

[TedShatner10]

Why are Rotten Tomatoes and Metacritic having their audience review sections for DSCO getting shitted up by moronic nerd ragers, ala The Last Jedi and The Last Of Us Part 2?

This has gotten tiresome two years ago and the taste/credibility for Western male nerds has really gone down the toilet (or more accurately YouTube and social media amplified the stupidity in comparison to even 15 years ago).

 

[fireproof78]

They became overused and watered down by the end, but then again if they were written like they were in their better TNG episodes (not Lore's cultists) they'd remain a monolithic, overpowered, faceless one note menace ala V'Ger or the Whale Probe and then completely unbalanced/overrun the franchise's setting...

And the humanising/fleshing out of the Borg would've robbed us of very popular characters like Seven and Lore (and Borg Queens to a lesser extent) and the TNG cast's only truly decent film instalment.

So, swings and round abouts.

I mean, there was a balance to be struck to my mind. It made Voyager super important as a ship because the Borg were obsessive over Voyager and Seven. So it lacked that very alien aspect and made them more intimidating in BOBW. And them defeated multiple times did, as you state, water down their threat.

 

[Jayson1]

Voyager did okay by the Borg in the Scorpion 2 parter and I think Seven worked out well as a individual character even though she helped demystify them as a species thus making them less interesting. TNG though was the first to kind of make the Borg look bad with that terrible stuff with Lore.


Jason

 

[Awesome Possum]

Voyager handled the Borg better than TNG’s later Borg episodes. I really liked the way Picard handled the exBorg and Picard’s relationship with them, treating them as more victims instead of monsters.

 

[Jayson1]

Voyager handled the Borg better than TNG’s later Borg episodes. I really liked the way Picard handled the exBorg and Picard’s relationship with them, treating them as more victims instead of monsters.

Except in "First Contact" when he went all Captain Ahab.

Jason

 

[RMBurnett]

Greetings.
Tough crowd here. I'm certainly happy to answer any questions you all may have. As always, I promise my responses will be courteous and respectful.

 

[cooleddie74]

VOY was a series that generally got better as it went along so by the time Seven joined the cast and we got neck-deep in Borg Collective storylines the writing had matured to the point where the way the Borg were handled was more deft than the post-"I, Borg" episodes of TNG. Sadly those superior storylines also served to take the threat out of the Borg Collective and make them more or less just another alien-of-the-week that generated only slightly more menace than the average no-name humanoids with forehead ridges who popped up to threaten Voyager or trade with the crew.

 

[Xerxus]

Greetings.
Tough crowd here. I'm certainly happy to answer any questions you all may have. As always, I promise my responses will be courteous and respectful.

Do you still reject that Discovery/Picard are Prime Timeline?

 

[Jayson1]

Top 5 Borg stories

1 The Best of Both Worlds
2 First Contact(the movie)
3 I Borg
4 The Scorpion 2 parter
5 Q Who


The 2 runner up's is Regeneration form Enterprise and Dark Frontier from Voyager.


Jason

 

[RMBurnett]

Do you still reject that Discovery/Picard are Prime Timeline?

I think much of the problem with Star Trek from 2009 onward stems from the fact it's designed to NOT be canonical with the previous iterations of TREK. The Kelvin timeline was established specifically to free the franchise from canonical storytelling. So...to answer your question, yes, I don't consider any of the current iterations of TREK to be canonical. The Rick Berman era of the franchise...18 years and 25 seasons of Trek, began with Berman working directly with Roddenberry, and even after Roddenberry's death in 1991 up through the end of ENTERPRISE, he was trying to maintain the ethos established way back in the original series. The current stewards of the franchise don't have that connection to the "soul" of the franchise, and aside from paying lip-service to canon, there's not much evidence the modern shows are at all canonical.

 

[Hythlodeus]

Greetings.
Tough crowd here. I'm certainly happy to answer any questions you all may have. As always, I promise my responses will be courteous and respectful.

what exactly is the problem with the Guardian being a person?

 

[Jayson1]

what exactly is the problem with the Guardian being a person?

We didn't see the person in the TOS episode. I think the main concern is the more we learn about it then it will remove the mystery behind it.


Jason

 

[Hythlodeus]

I think much of the problem with Star Trek from 2009 onward stems from the fact it's designed to NOT be canonical with the previous iterations of TREK. The Kelvin timeline was established specifically to free the franchise from canonical storytelling. So...to answer your question, yes, I don't consider any of the current iterations of TREK to be canonical. The Rick Berman era of the franchise...18 years and 25 seasons of Trek, began with Berman working directly with Roddenberry, and even after Roddenberry's death in 1991 up through the end of ENTERPRISE, he was trying to maintain the ethos established way back in the original series. The current stewards of the franchise don't have that connection to the "soul" of the franchise, and aside from paying lip-service to canon, there's not much evidence the modern shows are at all canonical.

hmmm...I was always under the impression that, when Berman era Trek worked, it worked despite of Berman, not because of him. That it was creative choices that pushed boundaries, that rejected the restraints Berman Trek had that ultimately lead to tthe best episodes of that time. So I really can't say I agree with you here.