Robert Beltran

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Voyager' started by Hey Missy, Nov 16, 2018.

  1. Ghislaine H. B. BRAEME

    Ghislaine H. B. BRAEME Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    I can hear (not necessarely agree with) Robert Beltran's frustration concerning the treatment of his Chakotay's character but I could too say the same about Kate Mulgrew and/or Ethan Philipps, whose the characters were damn & seriously damaged through the years too : Janeway was often a dismissed or belittled as a woman in her leadership role with ridiculous moments like short-sighted decision making and poor choices... even if all Captains had their moment ( from TOS, TNG, DS9 to Entreprise! As for Neelix, the poor guy was considered a pedophile because of his propension to spend a lot time with VERY young people, firstly with Kes during 3 seasons then with Naomie Wildman (and all others children on board) during 4 seasons and his excess of smile and good humor! :crazy:

    However, we never heard/read any public critics from them during the 7 seasons of the show, because they were well aware of the chance they had to be there, on a long run show and generously paid.
    -> The only time where Mulgrew turned to the press, was at the end of S5, when she declared wanting to spend more time with her family even if it meant to leave the show, when her repeated requests to rearrange her schedule failed ... and it worked because well, I guess that UPN/producers perfectly knew that 1) her decision to quit was not a threat in the air and 2) she has always cooperated with everyone from the beginning to all of her business responsibilities/obligations on & outside sets.
    -> As for Philipps, his leaving at the beginning of S7 was not a big deal because it was led intelligently: Philips thought having been around his character - opinion shared by producers, but Neelix was quite popular too so, I'm sure UPN's executives and producers would have found a way to keep the actor until the end. Plus I don't doubt that the actor was maybe a little frustrated to see that there would be no chance of improvement in his character but well, his departure from the show has gone however quite smoothly so, if Beltran wanted to leave, it wasa feasible solution. Some others ST actors did before without drama.

    Now, tell me what Robert Beltran's unprofessionnal attitude (critics in the medias & behaviour on/out) brought him?! Nothing of what he expected/wished for that matter, right?! = more money for sure but no noticeable change in the treatment of his character, no say in Endgame's script and I'd add that he was forced to beg the production for something, whatever, to do in the finale => Result: it was given to him, a ridiculous storyline like a nonsensical romance with the culptural blonde beauty at the end, what is rather light if you want my opinion for a lead actor who is supposed to play the brave, wise, experienced and loyal First Officer on a vessel which seeks to make its way in an area infested by Borg Cubes! :rolleyes:
    And the worst in this story is that Beltran trained with him, Jeri Ryan, who didn't requested anything, damaging in passing, the positive evolution & strength of Seven's character, which reflected since her arrival on board to just become the tall and luscious blonde with whose Chakotay will leave Voyager! How sad! :eek:
     
  2. Geekgarious

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    ^agreed, that's one reason why I wouldn't go out of my way to talk to Mulgrew, despite being a fan of her performance. Would've loved to meet her circa '97 but have heard way too many negative things at this point.
     
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  3. Catarina

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    I won't go too into this since it is a Beltran thread but interestingly, she has become a bit more humble the past 4 years. Though yeah she's definitely acting on stage. She's not such a huge as she puts on. But she doesn't deny her nature. I wanted to share what she said in response to: Do your kids know how cool you are? KM: no. Alec digs me. Ian...he loves me, but he finds me a quarrelsome person. (Softly) and I don't blame him.
    She knows...and boy 97 to 2013 I might have agreed. But she might be worth another chance *shrugs*
     
  4. Lynx

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    I wasn't referring to Mulgrew in my previous post but to some people in charge of the show.
    As for Mulgrew, I haven't seen so many negative things about her.
     
  5. Discofan

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    I've heard she hated Jeri Ryan.
     
  6. Sareesataka

    Sareesataka Lieutenant Red Shirt

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    I believe Mulgrew and Ryan have kissed and made up since their warring days on the show. I believe their reconciliation was at a fairly recent Star Trek Convention. At least, I hope it was genuine and not a facade put on to appease the Trek fans in the audience.
     
  7. Lynx

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    I think that's a bit exaggerated.

    Mulgrew did dislike that Lien was fired and that those in charge made Ryan the star of the show but I don't think she hated Ryan as a person.
     
  8. IMC Headquarters

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    "Distant Origin" gifted Beltran with terrific Chakotay moments. His plea to Odala was heartfelt and compelling, and his unease at her final admonition to not be seen again was real. His was the voice of reason that fell on deaf ears. It's my favorite Chakotay story, and I wish Beltran had been provided with such strong material consistently.

    I know nothing of his politics of the series, yet I enjoy his contribution all the same.
     
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  9. Mareika

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    Robert Beltran has send a very kind tweet to his fans
    https://twitter.com/robertbeltran74/with_replies
    To all who aren`t on twitter:He tweeted: "I just want to wish everyone a beautiful Christmas. You are all so caring and supportive towards each other and I'm proud that you take the time to meet here and share. Love you all! 2019 will be fantastic!"
     
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  11. Discofan

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    The problem with Chakotay is that he's improbable. Like the ridiculous assumption that his people had no language of their own. I mean we know that humanity reached the American continent very late in its history long after homo-sapiens appeared and that language had existed for hundreds of millennia back then so why invent this stupid insulting and racist detail?