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Riverdale Season 2 (Spoilers)

Although the idea of a musical based on Carrie, as well as some of those lines in the songs, is so bizarre that I would've thought the show made it up if I didn't know better. Still, it was pretty well-sung.

Yes, it's strange to realize that Stephen King himself not only authorized, but had a hand in the creation/presentation of a Broadway play based on, of all things, Carrie. But he is some kind of nut. He keeps writing about horrible things, after all.

Of course, the absurdly ancient jalopy Archie bought to fix up with his dad is based on Archie's traditional car from the comics -- a reminder that the comics date back to the 1940s.

Oh, Archie has had newer cars now and again. I think the newest was a '70s era Plymouth or Dodge ragtop. The one thing they've all had in common was they were all bright, candy-apple red.
 
Oh, Archie has had newer cars now and again.

I'm sure he has. I wasn't suggesting otherwise. But it's in keeping with this show to homage the most iconic and recognizable one, even though it's totally bugnuts ridiculous in the context of a show about high school kids in 2018.
 
My mom had an uncle who had two restored Model T's and seven more in his backyard in need of same. I always wanted to ask if I could go down to his house for a summer and restore one for myself, but it never came up before he died. Strange, even ridiculous, yes, but I can see the appeal.
 
I couldn't get past the first two minutes of this musical episode. Sorry, not a fan of musicals, except in rare cases involving sci-fi/fantasy series, like the Flash/Supergirl crossover and Once Upon a Time.
 
I couldn't get past the first two minutes of this musical episode. Sorry, not a fan of musicals, except in rare cases involving sci-fi/fantasy series, like the Flash/Supergirl crossover and Once Upon a Time.

I think it would be hard to argue that Riverdale isn't a fantasy series on some level. It's certainly not naturalistic. Maybe it's not magical or supernatural (yet), but it's definitely fanciful and larger-than-life in its portrayal of characters and situations. The musical's blending of song rehearsals and everyday scenes into continuous montages certainly tore down the boundaries of realism even further than before.

And there was that mysterious crate that Archie and Jughead delivered to Sabrina the Teenage Witch's hometown and that had "MISKATONIC UNIVERSITY VIA H.P. LOVECRAFT -- POLAR EXPEDITION JAN. 13, 1923" on the side.
 
Holy smokes! I didn't realize the Black Hood was back, and now Midge is dead.

Regarding the Chic Imposter in the Cooper household, he eventually gets what he deserves (for murdering the real Charles some time ago and subsequently impersonating him), and it appears Betty has the Black Hood to thank for that. I'm sure Betty and Jug are bound to find out they had a brother in common.

I thought Nick St.Clair's kidnapping for ransom of Archie was ridiculous. Even if he has powerful parents, what made him think Veronica - or anyone else, like Fred - wouldn't go to the police if it really came to it? Of course, it was the Lodges who cautioned her against police involvement, so she had to find another way to help Archie. I admire her guts and shrewdness for turning the table on Nick and collecting a ransom from his parents, even as Archie escaped from his captors.

Hal Cooper, could it be? :eek:
 
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The Lodges are so corrupt. Hiram went behind Archie's back and paid Reggie and the rest of the Dark Circle to stir up trouble in Southside. Then at the mayoral debate, Hermione accused the group of youngsters of causing a commotion. Ronnie couldn't take it anymore, so she decided to "defect" to Fred Andrews.

Meanwhile, one of the Serpents, Fangs, was accused of killing Midge, and a lynch mob went after him upon his release from police custody. He got shot by Reggie, but who was seen holding the gun? Archie.

The whole town has gone to hell in a handbasket. At this point, I'm almost rooting for the Black Hood to shoot just about anyone.
 
He got shot by Reggie, but who was seen holding the gun? Archie.

I don't think that's what happened. Archie tackled Reggie before he could fire, but a shot was fired anyway. It didn't seem to me that Reggie's gun even went off, and if it did, it was an accidental discharge. But I have the sense it may have come from a sniper and Reggie was a red herring.

I gather that the actor playing Reggie has been upgraded to series regular for season 3, so I doubt that they'd have him actually commit a homicide.
 
There was definitely a struggle between Archie and Reggie, and then the gun went off. I need to watch that scene again to see what happened.
 
There was definitely a struggle between Archie and Reggie, and then the gun went off. I need to watch that scene again to see what happened.

Yes, there was a struggle, and there was a shot. But I think the camera was on Fangs when we heard the shot and saw its effects. They wanted us to think it was Reggie's gun that went off, but if they didn't show it, then it's probably a misdirect.
 
Oh, I love it that when the hooded, cloaked Cheryl shot the Black Hood with a bow and arrow, the music sounded not unlike the Arrow theme.

Well, I was right -- Reggie didn't shoot Fangs, it just looked like he did. No way were they gonna saddle a major character like Reggie with a murder rap and write him out of the show. The show hasn't exactly used him that much to date, but in the comics he's the most prominent character after the core foursome.
 
I was at the edge of my seat throughout the episode ... Well, @Christopher, your assumptions have been right all along! I would never have guessed Hal Cooper to be the Black Hood. He had no visible motive until he revealed what he did tonight. About the only indication was that he preferred to communicate only with Betty the whole time and that he wouldn't harm her. I didn't really care for those CSI episodes that kept me guessing until the very end because there was no real presence of a possible suspect with a motive, and voila, they just concluded that the babysitter did it!

I'm starting to see Hiram now as the sinister mob boss that he is. Everything he did - from the October Surprise (?) to throwing Reggie under the bus to making a deal with the Ghoulies to try to eradicate the Serpents - was devious. And you're right, Reggie didn't shoot Fangs; it was Midge's mom who pulled the trigger.

Poor Jughead, he pulled an Aslan and offered himself to the Ghoulies in exchange for the safety of the outnumbered Serpents. He can't be dead yet; in a coma maybe?
 
I was at the edge of my seat throughout the episode ... Well, @Christopher, your assumptions have been right all along! I would never have guessed Hal Cooper to be the Black Hood. He had no visible motive until he revealed what he did tonight. About the only indication was that he preferred to communicate only with Betty the whole time and that he wouldn't harm her.

The Hood's interest in connecting with Betty and guiding her to be like him, as well as his seemingly intimate knowledge of her childhood and personal life, was the strongest evidence pointing to Hal. It did feel rather paternal. Hal had been kicked out of the house at that point, and it makes sense that he feared he was losing his daughter and wanted to draw her closer to him. There's also the fact that nearly all of the Hood's victims, save only for Dr. Masters last night, were connected to Betty or her friends in some way, as family, classmates, or faculty.

Also, Betty considered her father a suspect in Jason's murder in season 1, and Hal was responsible for stealing the murder evidence from Sheriff Keller. He always came off as an angry, vindictive, not especially stable person, and he had a fierce vendetta against the Blossoms. He made a very plausible murder suspect then, so he was just as plausible a suspect here.


I'm starting to see Hiram now as the sinister mob boss that he is. Everything he did - from the October Surprise (?) to throwing Reggie under the bus to making a deal with the Ghoulies to try to eradicate the Serpents - was devious.

Yeah, if he's attempting to "go legitimate," he's doing a pretty bad job of it.

I wouldn't be surprised if Hiram hired the copycat Black Hood, the one who shot up the debate, attacked Cheryl, and then attacked Archie and Fred while Hal was confessing to his family. (It can't have been Hal who attacked Cheryl, since he showed no sign of having a shoulder wound.) The copycat didn't hit anyone at the debate, suggesting it was just a scare tactic to stir up chaos, which is Hiram's motive and would help a "law & order" candidate like Hermione. And taking out Fred would clinch Hermione's victory as well. It's unclear what motive he'd have to go after Cheryl, though.

Hey, come to think of it: How is it that it was a whole hour before Archie came over to Betty and told her that the Black Hood had attacked him and Fred at the same time Hal was confessing? They live right next door! The Coopers should've heard the gunshot!

And if you're wondering:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_surprise


Poor Jughead, he pulled an Aslan and offered himself to the Ghoulies in exchange for the safety of the outnumbered Serpents. He can't be dead yet; in a coma maybe?

There's no way they'd kill Jughead. But the promo sure tried to make it look like they did, opening with a shot of a gravestone and not showing Jughead's face anywhere in the promo.
 
I see. Has it ever been established that Betty and Archie live right next door to each other? I thought in the series premiere, Archie was seen running (shirtless) to get to Betty's house in the middle of the night.
 
I see. Has it ever been established that Betty and Archie live right next door to each other? I thought in the series premiere, Archie was seen running (shirtless) to get to Betty's house in the middle of the night.

I seem to remember in the pilot, Betty being able to look out of her own window to see Archie's room (She was having a chat with Kevin at the time if I recall)
 
I seem to remember in the pilot, Betty being able to look out of her own window to see Archie's room (She was having a chat with Kevin at the time if I recall)

Oh, yes, that was established right off the bat. The whole idea of Betty Cooper is that she's the archetypal "girl next door," and the show makes it literal, whether or not the comics do. (In the first Archie story, Betty was "his new neighbor," but it didn't get more specific.)

As I recall, in the scene with shirtless Archie running, he was out for a jog. If he stopped in at Betty's, it was as he was coming back from it.
 
Nice to see the gang finally back together, standing up for each other and the rest of Riverdale and fighting crime and corruption once again. They've been too divided and morally compromised all season, though that was almost entirely due to the corrupting influences of Hiram and Hal/the Black Hood. Now both men have been exposed and the kids have come together against their common foe, Hiram. It's also nice to see Veronica and Hermione standing together once again, finally standing up to Hiram as a team.

I loved Cheryl calling herself a "youthful ward." I wouldn't have pegged her for a Batman '66 fan.

When Hiram said he was going to strike at the glue that held the kids together, I thought he was going to burn down Pop's. I should've realized he meant Archie.

Anyway, I'd expected that Hiram would be brought down at the end of the season. Instead, while the leads have overcome his corrupting and divisive influence on them, he's still succeeded in his plans for Riverdale as a whole. So not so much the conclusion of the story as the clear drawing of the batle lines.
 
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