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Ridley Scott to Direct New Blade Runner

To clarify a minor point, two different parts of The Lord of the Rings were adapted by separate production companies, prior to Jackson's version.

Ralph Bakshi adapted The Fellowship of the Ring and part of The Two Towers in 1978.

Rankin/Bass adapted The Return of the King in 1980. They had previously adapted The Hobbit in 1977.
 
AS I've said before, people complaining that Hollywood should stop remaking movies is a time-worn concept and nothing new.



Well this is exactly why I never buy into this argument. These remakes were made because of HUGE technical advancements, as you yourself are well aware of.

Since the 50s, the technical aspects of movies haven't changed. Yeah, they use steadicams. Yeah, they have 7.1 surround sound. Yeah, they are in 3D. Yeah, they use CGI instead of models. But none of these "recent" advancements is as huge as the leap from silent to sound, and from black and white to color.
 
Adaptations, particularly adaptations of novels, have always been a cornerstone of Hollywood filmmaking. There have always been remakes - if one considers them remakes - in the form of new adaptations of the same source material, whether a novel or a famous historical period or incident. Film series and sequels, on the other hand, with a few exceptions, like The Thin Man series, used to be largely relegated to low budget B movies, with most major stars considering sequels as beneath their stature. That started changing in the late 1960s and into the 1970s, and by the 1980s sequels were firmly established as another of Hollywood's big budget cornerstones.

Likewise, there used to be a few remakes of original scripts here and there, but they became far more prevalent from the 1990s onwards. Adaptations or remakes of old TV shows also started to become a staple from the 1990s onwards.

Of course even a lot of films based on original screenplays are very formulaic, and have been since very early on in Hollywood history, so they don't have all that much originality anyway (although formulaic films can still be very entertaining if made with wit and skill).

Hollywood does lean more heavily on the combination of adaptations, remakes, and sequels for its big budget fare these days than in its early decades. Personally I generally don't mind as long as the films in question are good, although I would like to see more adaptations of source material that's never been adapted before in lieu of some of the remakes.
 
It's strange to see the verbal gymnastics people will do to avoid the obvious truth: Hollywood has never been more reliant upon remakes, vulgar cartoons, and comic book superheroes than it is today. Comparing Ben-Hur to the pre-teen cinematic excrement of films like the upcoming Spiderman remake (coming a whole decade after Tobey Maguire's first film), is a bloody joke.
 
It's strange to see the verbal gymnastics people will do to avoid the obvious truth: Hollywood has never been more reliant upon remakes, vulgar cartoons, and comic book superheroes than it is today.
Don't think anyone's arguing Hollywood isn't relying on comic book superheroes a lot more. It's got to the point where to make a movie about Thor one needs to make it about a comic book superhero based on the myth.

But remakes and Hollywood have been ubiquituous as long as there's been a Hollywood. What gets remade, obviously, changes. There were cycles when Biblical epics or Westerns were huge, and understandably those cycles saw many Westerns and Biblical epics, occasionally the same ones retooled. And so on.

Comparing Ben-Hur to the pre-teen cinematic excrement of films like the upcoming Spiderman remake (coming a whole decade after Tobey Maguire's first film), is a bloody joke.

In fairness, the Ben Hur films were spectacle films. In fact, part of the reason we got Ben Hur films wasn't the actual book, but the then-popular play adaption, which was a spectacle play, with the two centerpieces being the naval scene and the chariot race. Predictably both film versions made those scenes central.
 
Adapting Dick's novels is wiser because they are by definition longer, but they're not exactly epic tomes - at a random stab I'd say something like four episodes would be more than enough for The Man in the High Castle, and maybe less.
Unlike a lot of PK Dick's novels, The Man in the High Castle has a premise that lends itself to extrapolation into an ongoing series. The chief protagonist (Frank Frink) is secretly Jewish and living in the part of the US under the control of the Japanese. But the Germans are in a Cold War standoff with their erstwhile allies, and plot to take over the Pacific states that the Japanese control. This obviously threatens the protagonist.

The rivalry could take the form of intrigues and political machinations that could extend the action for several seasons before a shooting war breaks out, which given the nuclear capabilities of both sides, could be a very frightening thing.

Focusing on the literal conflicts of the intra-fascist Cold War and Frink's dilemma could create a solid basis for a multi-season series, with the story-within-a-story aspect of the novel being only hinted at early on. That part could provide an intriguing "extra dimensionality" to something that is already a gripping story, and become fleshed out in later seasons, and give the relatively powerless Frink a plausible way to have an impact on a story that has global and even interplanetary scope (counting the Nazi colonies on Mars).
 
Sure, but then we just get an alternate history TV show with some vague Philip K. Dick trimmings. It could work, sure, but I'd probably be happier with a brief miniseries.
 
HBO is the one place left where the miniseries format is viable so you might get your wish. But I think I'd prefer an ongoing alt-history series. Could be a lot of fun.
 
HBO is the one place left where the miniseries format is viable so you might get your wish.

I disagree that HBO is the only option for a miniseries like this. Starz is doing quite well with miniseries as well, such as Spartacus and Torchwood: Miracle Day.

Also don't forget the BBC remains king of the mini- and limited-run series.

Alex
 
Starz, meh, I wouldn't trust them to do this story well. Anyway, since when is Spartacus a miniseries? They're continuing it despite the lead actor dying. So they must be pretty determined.

Supposedly they're willing to continue Torchwood too, although given the ratings I wouldn't hold my breath (and I certainly hope nobody buys their "ratings don't matter" BS press release that they issued). :rommie:

BBC ain't on my TV set (even theoretically, like HBO) so it doesn't count. :p
 
BBC ain't on my TV set (even theoretically, like HBO) so it doesn't count. :p
Sure it does. I don't get HBO, but it matters to me in the sense that the channel has produced a lot of good miniseries or TV shows I've watched elsewhere.

...though when playing the hypothetical game of 'what channel do I want to adapt Philip K. Dick's Man in the High Castle' arguments I'd tend to an American one for the pragmatic reason that the novel's mostly set in the United States.
 
Why can't hollywood make anything new anymore?

AS I've said before, people complaining that Hollywood should stop remaking movies is a time-worn concept and nothing new.



Heck, Miller's Crossing (1990) is effectively a reimagining of "The Glass Key" (1942).

Thank you! There's nothing new under the sun.

23skidoo As for Blade Runner, it was loosely based on a single standalone novel. So coming up with a new story is probably going to be a challenge.

Writers are often able to take snippets of material and go with them and expand upon them in wild new directions. Its the nature of storytelling. I'd assert such limitations often inspire more creativity then having whole appendices to work out of...
 
Ridley Scott says the new film will probably be a sequel.
Scott says the new project is "liable to be a sequel."

"I think I'm close to finding a writer that might be able to help me deliver," Scott says, "we're quite a long way in, actually."
Can someone help me explain how you can be "quite a long way in" to making a film if you don't even have a screenwriter yet?
 
He's literally trying to find the writer.

They discovered his location and have entered the compound in search of him.

They're quite a long way in.
 
^^Of course they could always try that digital de-aging they used on Patrick Stewart and In MacKellan in X3.
 
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