Rewatching Voyager

[tomalak301]

Tomalak where are you up to in your rewatch? Remember was your last episode? or further on xD

Warlord

I'll get back to it, but I'm also do a MCU Movie rewatch and got really into that this weekend. Might see Q and the Grey tonight.

 

[Thomas Eugene]

I also very much enjoy pissed off Janeway e.g. In Scientific Method (YES I REMEMBERED AN EPISODE NAME!! )

Congratulations! The more you'll watch the show, the more episode names you'll remember.

I look forward to starting DS9! Are you active on that forum as well?

I'm afraid not. I don't know that show well enough - I'm only watching it for the third time. Also, although I mentioned earlier that I'm enjoying it a bit more now than I used to, it's nothing like Voyager (nothing is like Voyager in my book - surprise, surprise). I only like talking about films/shows that I really like. I know I'm different from almost everybody on these fora, who only keep posting what they DON'T like about shows - but I'm like that. There's a reason why I only make Star Trek Voyager wallpapers - it's a show I deem worth devoting so much time to.

So instead of joining discussions of other shows such as DS9 where I could go on about what and why I don't like about it, I stick to Voyager and tell people what I really appreciate about this show. This is a lot more fun than bashing a show. There are a lot of DS9ers out there who would kill for that show, so let them discuss it there.
However, I occasionally make crossover pictures which I might share on other fora, too:

BTW, my second favourite show after Voyager would be StarGate SG-1. I hope to know that show one day a lot better than now (I've only seen it twice). Then I might start making wallpapers for that show, too. But we'll discuss that if you pm me.

Warlord
I'll get back to it, but I'm also do a MCU Movie rewatch and got really into that this weekend. Might see Q and the Grey tonight.

I must say I can't wait for your next review,too. I enjoy them so much (as well as that, this is probably the friendliest thread on this forum ).
If anyone's interested, the last VOY episode I saw was WAKING MOMENTS - it was very enjoyable, as usual. Was Leonardo DiCaprio's film (INCEPTION) based on this episode, I wonder ...
Yesterday I also watched NECESSARY EVIL, which is one of DS9's highs for me. Love all the episodes that take place in flashbacks during The Occupation!

 

[tomalak301]

The Q and the Grey

I thought this episode was fun, and then it turned stupid in the second half. What I mean is the stuff on the ship was fun and cute all the same. I love the chemistry between Janeway and Q, and this episode provided one of my favorite quotes of the series, "What are you doing with that dog, and I'm not talking about the puppy". I love Susie Plakson so much and she was great as female Q here. It may not be K'ehleyr, but it was the closest we got for Voyager.

Then we entered the continuum and I get what they were going for but it was just dumb. For one, humans in the Q civil war didn't work because if a weapon hit them, what would happen? Would they vaporize, disintegrate, or something else? Also, to have Tom Paris capturing the head confederate Q guy just seemed wrong on so many levels. As an aftermath to Death Wish, I wish they were a little more intelligent than that, especially since Death Wish was such a thought provoking episode.

Macrocosm

Now this episode was awesome. I sometimes think the main reason we got the pony tail for Janeway was for episodes like this. This was basically Janeway's "Starship Mine" or Die Hard. It was also really eerie in a horror Aliens kind of way. The Microvirus was a really interesting design and I really liked how they used the buzzing like bees to signal that they were coming. I do have a question though. If most of the ship is offline, how did they get the holodeck running? Shouldn't the Holodeck be offline too? I mean that was the ace card to end the episode yet I'm not sure it made a lick of sense. Other than that, great episode.

 

[Archimago]

The Q and the Grey

I thought this episode was fun, and then it turned stupid in the second half. What I mean is the stuff on the ship was fun and cute all the same. I love the chemistry between Janeway and Q, and this episode provided one of my favorite quotes of the series, "What are you doing with that dog, and I'm not talking about the puppy". I love Susie Plakson so much and she was great as female Q here. It may not be K'ehleyr, but it was the closest we got for Voyager.

Then we entered the continuum and I get what they were going for but it was just dumb. For one, humans in the Q civil war didn't work because if a weapon hit them, what would happen? Would they vaporize, disintegrate, or something else? Also, to have Tom Paris capturing the head confederate Q guy just seemed wrong on so many levels. As an aftermath to Death Wish, I wish they were a little more intelligent than that, especially since Death Wish was such a thought provoking episode.

Macrocosm

Now this episode was awesome. I sometimes think the main reason we got the pony tail for Janeway was for episodes like this. This was basically Janeway's "Starship Mine" or Die Hard. It was also really eerie in a horror Aliens kind of way. The Microvirus was a really interesting design and I really liked how they used the buzzing like bees to signal that they were coming. I do have a question though. If most of the ship is offline, how did they get the holodeck running? Shouldn't the Holodeck be offline too? I mean that was the ace card to end the episode yet I'm not sure it made a lick of sense. Other than that, great episode.

Indeed any interaction between Q ad Janeway on the ship Is fantastic. There chemistry is something else haha xD

I think yes this was a wierd way to show the continum and like you say one bullet had hit them I have no idea what would've happened...

Also I may have an answer to your question? Some systems on the ship run on independent power systems. Those systems are normally the key ones. E.g. life support. However I distinctly remember B'elanna mentioning that the holodeck is an independant sub system, so while the rest of ship was failing I imagine the holodeck was running on its own backups.

Please correct me if I'm wrong! Im certainly no genius when it comes to Voyager technology

 

[stardream]

The Q and the Grey

Then we entered the continuum and I get what they were going for but it was just dumb. For one, humans in the Q civil war didn't work because if a weapon hit them, what would happen? Would they vaporize, disintegrate, or something else? Also, to have Tom Paris capturing the head confederate Q guy just seemed wrong on so many levels. As an aftermath to Death Wish, I wish they were a little more intelligent than that, especially since Death Wish was such a thought provoking episode.

Macrocosm

Now this episode was awesome. I sometimes think the main reason we got the pony tail for Janeway was for episodes like this. This was basically Janeway's "Starship Mine" or Die Hard. It was also really eerie in a horror Aliens kind of way. The Microvirus was a really interesting design and I really liked how they used the buzzing like bees to signal that they were coming. I do have a question though. If most of the ship is offline, how did they get the holodeck running? Shouldn't the Holodeck be offline too? I mean that was the ace card to end the episode yet I'm not sure it made a lick of sense. Other than that, great episode.

We call Macrocosm Janeway's Sarah Connor episode.

The guy at SciFi Debris has a running joke about all the things Tom Paris can do...I guess we can add capturing a Q to that list.

 

[tomalak301]

We call Macrocosm Janeway's Sarah Connor episode.

I can see that. She did have a little Linda Hamilton persona going on with the tank top and pony tail hairstyle.

 

[tomalak301]

Fair Trade

Like I say in my prior episode discussions, I love the Neelix serious episode. In fact, this episode reminded me of the DS9 episode Treachery, Faith, and the Great River, where Nog gets O'Brian to trade stuff just to get something so basic (I haven't seen the episode in a long time so I forgot exactly what it was). This episode also served as a reminder that Voyager is on this journey and they are going out of reach from what Neelix knows. I really loved that aspect of this episode because it develops Neelix as a character in a way a lot of the non-serious Neelix episodes can't. One basic thing got him in so deep into illegal dealings and while he was able to get out of it, you can see how much it hurt him. I will say though that Janeway's speech at the end was a little too on the nose of Picard's speech, especially when she starts by saying "The first duty" is to the truth. It almost took me out of the scene because Kate Mulgrew is not Patrick Stewart, but as she got deeper into it, I appreciated it a lot more. This is one of the stronger episodes of the third season so far.

 

[Thomas Eugene]

So you've basically seen three brilliant VOY episodes. There's a surprise, , LOL! This is the perfect show for me so there's not much to add. Except perhaps that it goes without saying Tom knows all those things; there's a reason why I'm desperately in love with him, LOL!

 

[tomalak301]

Alter Ego

This episode is very nice and a very enjoyable Tuvok episode. I really liked the Marayna character, and how she and Tuvok seemed to share a lot in common. It also utilized the resort holoprogram in the best possible way. I loved how it explored themes of loneliness and how the episode looked like your typical comedy with Kim asking to suppress emotions to the end where it got pretty serious and dark. Tuvok does have a soft side, afterall, as shown in the ending.

 

[Thomas Eugene]

Alter Ego

This episode is very nice and a very enjoyable Tuvok episode. I really liked the Marayna character, and how she and Tuvok seemed to share a lot in common. It also utilized the resort holoprogram in the best possible way. I loved how it explored themes of loneliness and how the episode looked like your typical comedy with Kim asking to suppress emotions to the end where it got pretty serious and dark. Tuvok does have a soft side, afterall, as shown in the ending.

Agreed. In addition to being an excellent episode, it is also visually pleasing:

My favourite dialogue from the episode is this:

MARAYNA: All right, imagine this, that you with your logic and your reason, are skimming atop endless waves of emotion. You believe you're in control, but you know that control is an illusion. You believe that you understand the depths beneath you, but that, too, is an illusion.
TUVOK: I can see why Ensign Kim finds you compelling.
MARAYNA: I can see why Harry admires and respects you, because it's obvious that he does and so do I.

 

[2takesfrakes]

The girls look very cute in their stewardess outfits! Kes, especially ...

 

[Thomas Eugene]

The girls look very cute in their stewardess outfits! Kes, especially ...

Thanks, TTF. This wallpaper has been the most difficult to make so far - above 40 hours, I think. But I also like the result - and yes, Kes looks lovely in it.
Not as lovely as Mr. Sex Bomb, of course - but then, there's no accounting for tastes ...

Alter Ego

This episode is very nice and a very enjoyable Tuvok episode. I really liked the Marayna character, and how she and Tuvok seemed to share a lot in common. It also utilized the resort holoprogram in the best possible way. I loved how it explored themes of loneliness and how the episode looked like your typical comedy with Kim asking to suppress emotions to the end where it got pretty serious and dark. Tuvok does have a soft side, afterall, as shown in the ending.

How's the rewatch going, tomalak301? Taking a break?

 

[tomalak301]

I've just been busy. I'll watch a few more this week, hopefully. I think next week will be better in terms of Voyager watching. I'm not really going at a quick pace though. This thread will always be here when I do see some. Also I'm really looking forward to Scorpion, which is my favorite episodes of the series so there is plenty of motivation to continue.

 

[Ghislaine H. B. BRAEME]

Re-watched "Muse" (6x22) or when an unscrupulous playwright has found/holds B'Elena as prisoner, using her logs and talking with her to learn about her, Voyager and the crew and write plays to enchant his people with a huge success. He finally ask her help to make his planet avoid war.

I rank this episode at the same level than Threshold as for the strangeness!
What disturbed the most is the fact that, even if the guy eventually decided to make something right (to help his planet avoid war), he didn't hesitate either to hold a prisoner and to exploit her knowledge/to take advantage of it.
I admit o have found this situation a little disconcerting!

 

[stardream]

Re-watched "Muse" (6x22) or when an unscrupulous playwright has found/holds B'Elena as prisoner, using her logs and talking with her to learn about her, Voyager and the crew and write plays to enchant his people with a huge success. He finally ask her help to make his planet avoid war.

I rank this episode at the same level than Threshold as for the strangeness!
What disturbed the most is the fact that, even if the guy eventually decided to make something right (to help his planet avoid war), he didn't hesitate either to hold a prisoner and to exploit her knowledge/to take advantage of it.
I admit o have found this situation a little disconcerting!

The very first time I saw this on original airing my initial reaction was "They are totally making fun of fanfiction and fanfiction writers!" To this day I can't shake that impression.

Speaking of fanfiction...read an amusing story that played with the concept of Tom being the one stuck on the planet...the idea being he would have thrown himself into the idea of helping write a play and would have made it bigger and better...even taking over. I assume the writer (which in this case would probably be a woman) would be ready to get rid of him by the time Voyager found him.

 

[Ghislaine H. B. BRAEME]

Maybe... . That's remind me that lately, I read that Voyager and DS9 novelists were hired for CBS's upcoming Star Trek 2017 TV show... .
Antway, I am totally admiring of all those who write fanfictions. Some of them are trully excellent.

 

[Archimago]

I quite enjoyed muse personally! I really enjoy epsiodes where the characters are forced into unknown places, and I think this epsiode really showed off B'ellanna as an actress interacting with the unknown.

I recently watched resistance it's been a long while and I had all but forgotten about it, but what an epsiode. Whoever the guest star in that epsiode was simply amazing Imo. I thought that was one of the most emotional episodes of Voyager and I'm sure it really touches home to people with memory deliberating conditions.

 

[Thomas Eugene]

I've just been busy. I'll watch a few more this week, hopefully. I think next week will be better in terms of Voyager watching. I'm not really going at a quick pace though. This thread will always be here when I do see some. Also I'm really looking forward to Scorpion, which is my favorite episodes of the series so there is plenty of motivation to continue.

Couldn't agree more. SCORPION to me is not noly the best VOY episode but the best sci-fi episode ever written. There are countless reasons for that, one of them being the introduction of Leonardo da Vinci:

But you are also nearing my third favourite episode in the franchise, which is BLOOD FEVER. It is about sex, so how could it possibly be bad?

Re-watched "Muse" (6x22) or when an unscrupulous playwright has found/holds B'Elena as prisoner, using her logs and talking with her to learn about her, Voyager and the crew and write plays to enchant his people with a huge success. He finally ask her help to make his planet avoid war.

I rank this episode at the same level than Threshold as for the strangeness!
What disturbed the most is the fact that, even if the guy eventually decided to make something right (to help his planet avoid war), he didn't hesitate either to hold a prisoner and to exploit her knowledge/to take advantage of it.
I admit o have found this situation a little disconcerting!

The very first time I saw this on original airing my initial reaction was "They are totally making fun of fanfiction and fanfiction writers!" To this day I can't shake that impression.

Read an amusing fanfiction that played with the concept of Tom being the one stuck on the planet...the idea being he would have thrown himself into the idea of helping write a play and would have made it bigger and better...even taking over. I assume the writer (which in this case would probably be a woman) would be ready to get rid of him by the time Voyager found him.

I actually like MUSE but I admit that it's pretty boring in the sense that it doesn't add that much to Voyager. We don't really learn anything about the characters, there's no development for them. It also doesn't propel them on their journey home.
But the concept was interesting. After all, we have so much culture in VOYAGER: Janeway's Gothic fiction simulation, Renaissance with Leonardo da Vinci, the American Civil War with Q, the Second World War with the Hirogen. There's classical music in COUNTERPOINT, painting here and there (CODA and SACRED GROUND spring to mind), 20th century television "culture" including Tom's fascination with animated cartoons, 20th century movies (REPRESSION, e.g.), opera-singing with the Doctor (THE SWARM, VIRTUOSO, RENAISSANCE MAN), religion with Chakotay (any episode with A-koo-chee-mo-yah - spelling, anyone?) or with B'Elanna (BARGE OF THE DEAD and many other Klingon eps), etc, etc. The list goes on and on.
But by that point, we still hadn't had anything to do with theatre. Now, theatre has its origins in ancient Greek traditions, and the episode made use of the various aspects of ancient Greek tragedies. All in all, it is not the first (not even the tenth) episode that springs to mind when someone mentions Voyager, but it was a cultural treat. I thought that episodes like this added a lot more to the whole "Voyager spirit" - if such a thing exists at all - than the epitome of boredom, which for me would be THE HAUNTING OF DECK TWELVE. That, I thought was really tedious.

Maybe... . That's remind me that lately, I read that Voyager and DS9 novelists were hired for CBS's upcoming Star Trek 2017 TV show... .
Antway, I am totally admiring of all those who write fanfictions. Some of them are trully excellent.

Agreed, some people are amazing at this! I actually envy them - I couldn't write anything even if I were forced at gunpoint. I find that I can express myself a lot better in pictures.

I quite enjoyed muse personally! I really enjoy epsiodes where the characters are forced into unknown places, and I think this epsiode really showed off B'ellanna as an actress interacting with the unknown.

I recently watched resistance it's been a long while and I had all but forgotten about it, but what an epsiode. Whoever the guest star in that epsiode was simply amazing Imo. I thought that was one of the most emotional episodes of Voyager and I'm sure it really touches home to people with memory deliberating conditions.

Absolutely agreed. It's a very touching episode, I think. And the special guest star on that one was Joel Grey, probably most famous for his role on the musical CABARET (film version) as Master of Ceremonies.

 

[tomalak301]

Coda

There was only one thing I liked about this episode, and that was Janeway's "Go back to Hell, Coward" line. Other than that, this episode felt really uneven, unfortunately. I mean we go from a temporal anomoly, to Janeway dying with the Vidiian Phage, back to a temporal anomaly, and by the end of the episode, what came before had no baring at all. We got an alien praying on people who are close to death. Honestly, I would have liked to see the Temporal loops keep going, a la Cause and Effect. How many ways can Kathryn Janeway be killed, and what does the shuttle do to get out of it. Also, who sends both the first officer and Captain on a mission? I can understand resolutions because they had a disease which forced them off the ship, but I don't understand it here.

Blood Fever

Now this was a great episode, and the road to Scorpion officially begins. I've always liked Vorik, and I'm really happy he got his own episode here dealing with Pon Farr when there was no suitable mate. I also liked seeing Torres dealing with it too, and this kicked the Paris/Torres relationship into high gear. As for the ending, this is why the road to Scorpion officially begins. We get a very nice Borg tease. It was only like 30 seconds, but it set the stage for what was to come quite nicely.

 

[jpch]

I watched Year of Hell yesterday <3 such an amazing episode, i remember when i was 8 watching it and crying for an hour after part 1...