Rewatching TOS After SNW

[Commander Troi]

In the Kelvin timeline they had a relationship, if brief, as referenced by Carol Marcus:

CAROL: Yes, you do. I'm a friend of Christine Chapel's.
KIRK: Christine, yes. How is she?
CAROL: She transferred to the outer frontier to be a nurse. She's much happier now.
KIRK: That's good.
CAROL: You have no idea who I'm talking about, do you?
KIRK: What are we doing in here?
CAROL: ls this shuttle prepped to fly?

When Kirk meets Carol Marcus in Star Trek Into Darkness, she's not inclined to like him because she was a friend of Christine Chapel's. Kirk replies, "Christine, yes. How is she?", but it quickly becomes clear that he doesn't even remember her. So presumably things didn't end well between them (especially if Chapel was Kirk's subordinate).

Chapel didn't appear in the movie or anything. It was just a throwaway mention. (She was also mentioned by name in ST09, IIRC.)

Thanks. I'd forgotten that.

 

[Odo]

Here’s an additional question - does anything from TAS or the films strike any of you differently after watching SNW?

 

[Tallguy]

Here’s an additional question - does anything from TAS or the films strike any of you differently after watching SNW?

Not as such.

SNW doesn't do Majel Barret's performance or the writing of her character any favors. But neither does TOS itself. And even if Majel was totally up for it they were never going to have a character like SNW's Chapel.

The Spock / Chapel relationship is so totally at odds with TOS that I can't even say "Oh! So NOW we know why..." Fortunately it doesn't stop me from enjoying them in SNW.

Of all of the "new" information that we have learned the only thing I really feel like taking on board with watching TOS is that maybe Spock has essentially a little big sister (who is NOT so secret that it is treasonous to mention her!) and that his family life is a little more complicated than we thought. I actually see Sarek in a different (and positive) light because of Disco. And unlike Chapel where the two people don't have any connection other than a name, I see Amanda as just that much more awesome.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Spock has essentially a little sister

Big sister.

 

[Tallguy]

Big sister.

You're right of course. I must have been thinking of Rogue One.

 

[Christopher]

Here’s an additional question - does anything from TAS or the films strike any of you differently after watching SNW?

Hmm... Well, I have been hoping we'd see more of Sybok after "The Serene Squall," but it didn't really change anything about how I saw him.

I do see a certain resemblance between SNW's virtual engineering set and the "nacelle interior" we saw in "One of Our Planets is Missing."

The Spock / Chapel relationship is so totally at odds with TOS that I can't even say "Oh! So NOW we know why..." Fortunately it doesn't stop me from enjoying them in SNW.

Oh, I disagree. As I'm sure I mentioned earlier in the thread, Chapel's behavior toward Spock in TOS is much less unflattering to her if you read it as an ex wanting to reclaim what they once had instead of a pathetic unrequited crush. I think it fits quite nicely if you squint a little. On the other hand, TAS: "Mudd's Passion" is much harder to reconcile with the idea of them having a prior romantic history.

 

[Noname Given]

Here’s an additional question - does anything from TAS or the films strike any of you differently after watching SNW?

Honestly no, but TAS retconned clearly established Cannon WRT The Guardian Of Time as shown in TOS City On The Edge Of Forever.

In TAS S1 Yesteryear they have Federation travellers able to call out exact years and dates to visit after it had been established in the following exchange:

Kirk: "Guardian, can you change the speed at which yesterday passes?"

Guardian: "I was made to offer the past in this manner. I cannot change."

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

If it can talk, it can say "3,2,1, now!", and it may have a stop setting even if it can't speed up or slow down.

 

[Christopher]

Honestly no, but TAS retconned clearly established Cannon WRT The Guardian Of Time as shown in TOS City On The Edge Of Forever.

In TAS S1 Yesteryear they have Federation travellers able to call out exact years and dates to visit after it had been established in the following exchange:

Kirk: "Guardian, can you change the speed at which yesterday passes?"

Guardian: "I was made to offer the past in this manner. I cannot change."

The way I resolved that discrepancy in my novel Forgotten History was to suggest that the Guardian was only referring to Kirk's specific question about the speed of the playback; Kirk asked nothing about whether a specific time and place range could be requested. In "Yesteryear," the Guardian still fast-forwarded through images of Vulcan history within the range Spock specified, so arguably it's not inconsistent. (Although the Alan Dean Foster adaptation showed the Guardian locking in on a specific place and time precisely, which led me to assume for years that the discrepancy was irreconcilable.)