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Spoilers Revolution of the Daleks grade and discussion thread
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The Daleks and Jack. Two of the things I most detest about Who. It was tempting to not bother to watch it on that basis alone, but despite them I didn't mind that episode. It wasn't anything extraordinary but it was...enjoyable. Jack wasn't completely and utterly insufferable - for the first time ever - and the Daleks weren't utterly boring for once. Wasn't expecting to see Peter Florrick (can't think of Noth as anyone else) reappear; he was just as irritating as he was before. Everyone else who wasn't a companion wasn't particularly memorable.
Really liked the callback at the end to Ryan trying - and failing - to ride a bike, although the Ghostly Grace appearance wasn't necessary. I'm disappointed that Cole and (especially) Walsh have departed the show, but such is life. Walsh especially was terrific. It would be better (IMO, anyway) to have just the Doctor and Yaz for a while but evidently that isn't going to be the case. Oh, well.
Must remember to watch the show whenever it reappears. Unless this horror comes to pass:
Really liked the callback at the end to Ryan trying - and failing - to ride a bike, although the Ghostly Grace appearance wasn't necessary. I'm disappointed that Cole and (especially) Walsh have departed the show, but such is life. Walsh especially was terrific. It would be better (IMO, anyway) to have just the Doctor and Yaz for a while but evidently that isn't going to be the case. Oh, well.
Must remember to watch the show whenever it reappears. Unless this horror comes to pass:
That would guarantee absolutely that I'd stop watching Who. But each to their own.
Ugh. They went that route with Martha and it was (IMO) beyond awful. Hopefully this won't ever be a thing.
I will have to admit my overall impression of the episode was... meh.
It just didn't sell me.
But I will, in the spirit of positivity, mention a few things I liked.
I enjoyed Ryan and Graham deciding to leave life on the Tardis on their own accord with no melodrama or tragedy involved.
Honestly the first since Martha 12 freaking years ago, had we had a companion that just said 'Its time, bye gurl' and choose there own destiny instead of being killed off or trapped somewhere else in space and time.
I liked that a lot. And I liked the idea they where going to keep an eye out for their own adventures in the future.
I didn't mind having Jack back and he's random throw back to adventures past. Though my love of Jack really began and ended in NuWho season one.
Did we ever find out what happened to UNIT? I'm fuzzy on that memory.
It just didn't sell me.
But I will, in the spirit of positivity, mention a few things I liked.
I enjoyed Ryan and Graham deciding to leave life on the Tardis on their own accord with no melodrama or tragedy involved.
Honestly the first since Martha 12 freaking years ago, had we had a companion that just said 'Its time, bye gurl' and choose there own destiny instead of being killed off or trapped somewhere else in space and time.
I liked that a lot. And I liked the idea they where going to keep an eye out for their own adventures in the future.
I didn't mind having Jack back and he's random throw back to adventures past. Though my love of Jack really began and ended in NuWho season one.
Did we ever find out what happened to UNIT? I'm fuzzy on that memory.
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I would've just love the Doctor and Yaz.
With so few episodes next series, having to get to know another person feels episode extra time that could be used elsewhere.
I would've just love the Doctor and Yaz.
With so few episodes next series, having to get to know another person feels episode extra time that could be used elsewhere.
I gave it an 8. Wasn't the expected car crash. Daleks warring is a good thing. Jack Robertson is a bad thing (think we'll see him again).
Wondered what the hell this 'new companion' thing was people were talking about. Saw it, OK.
TL;DR: wasn't as disappointed as I thought I'd be.
Not as awful as usual.
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Wondered what the hell this 'new companion' thing was people were talking about. Saw it, OK.
TL;DR: wasn't as disappointed as I thought I'd be.
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Watched it yesterday.
The Dalek suits are cool-looking aliens. It's a pity the species cannot evolve beyond "omnicidal aliens". Wonder how soon Eaglemoss can churn out a model of the S(A)S Daleks and the security drones.
Also, the beginning. Wait, what? Didn't the Doctor just learn she is not a Gallifreyan, and has regenerated countless times before becoming the First Doctor? Didn't the new Master succeed in his fiendish master plan? How can the series continue has if nothing happened when the true nature of the Doctor has just been uncovered? Shouldn't the Doctor try to find her original people? Or try and find her previous incarnations, like the other woman she used to be?
I guess by the next episode Humans have forgotten again that an alien invasion just played out and cost the lives of at least dozens of people, because that would have epic repercussions for Human civilization as a whole and the way we continue our cultures.
The Dalek suits are cool-looking aliens. It's a pity the species cannot evolve beyond "omnicidal aliens". Wonder how soon Eaglemoss can churn out a model of the S(A)S Daleks and the security drones.
Also, the beginning. Wait, what? Didn't the Doctor just learn she is not a Gallifreyan, and has regenerated countless times before becoming the First Doctor? Didn't the new Master succeed in his fiendish master plan? How can the series continue has if nothing happened when the true nature of the Doctor has just been uncovered? Shouldn't the Doctor try to find her original people? Or try and find her previous incarnations, like the other woman she used to be?
I guess by the next episode Humans have forgotten again that an alien invasion just played out and cost the lives of at least dozens of people, because that would have epic repercussions for Human civilization as a whole and the way we continue our cultures.
OK well we had the New Year special last night....
OK that was good but it wasn't great.
Again with the yank guy. I thought we were done with this guy. The bits with Jack and the gang were great. The Doctor was good. I enjoyed it but it was what it was, good but not great. Jack made this episode a lot of fun, and it's always good when he is on an episode of Dr Who.
I do hope the next series the Doctor gets to explore her own heritage now that she knows what the Master showed her or is all that going to be brushed aside and thrown under a rug never to be spoken of again?
The Doctor commits Tardicide and kills a TARDIS because reasons, they are sentient living things. Not cool.
Also Earth are they going to forget yet another alien invasion, I hope not. I'll scream to the heavens if they do that rubbish again.
OK that was good but it wasn't great.
Again with the yank guy. I thought we were done with this guy. The bits with Jack and the gang were great. The Doctor was good. I enjoyed it but it was what it was, good but not great. Jack made this episode a lot of fun, and it's always good when he is on an episode of Dr Who.
I do hope the next series the Doctor gets to explore her own heritage now that she knows what the Master showed her or is all that going to be brushed aside and thrown under a rug never to be spoken of again?
The Doctor commits Tardicide and kills a TARDIS because reasons, they are sentient living things. Not cool.
Also Earth are they going to forget yet another alien invasion, I hope not. I'll scream to the heavens if they do that rubbish again.
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She's still in shellshock about it, hence why she meekly went along with imprisonment (c'mon, you can't tell me that place could hold her if she really wanted out - Jack just gave her an excuse). Post-convo with Ryan, perhaps that WILL be her new focus - find out her origins or explore her hidden past (or both). But having Daleks running about takes priority over Doctor identity issues.
Also couldn't finding out who put the warrant out for her be a quest too?
There were a lot of plot contrivances needed to set up the story.
1) Jack knows where the Doctor is and breaks her out of prison very easily with magic tech so that the Doctor can be part of the story.
2) We already have the tech for security drones now. Why did Robertson even need the destroyed shell? The story just needed a reason for building thousands of Dalek shells so that the Daleks would have an army ready for them.
3) The scientist was dumb. He finds some unidentified organic residue and just decides to clone it without asking anybody first. And then when ordered to destroy the Dalek clone, instead of just tossing the entire container into the incinerator, he opens the container first to allow the Dalek to get free and take over his body. Super dumb. But the story needed a living Dalek.
4) The Dalek is able to build a clone farm in a year without anyone noticing. Yes, I know they explain that the Dalek killed all the human workers when the work was completed but nobody said anything about the work they were doing? Nobody asked questions about the requisitions? The story needed a lot of living Daleks for all those Dalek shells being built.
5) The Daleks have transporters apparently where they can all just beam directly into the empty Dalek shells.
Voila! An army of Daleks!
The resolution was exciting with nice action but too easy. We barely get a few scenes of the new Daleks blasting people that the Doctor puts her plan into motion and the new Daleks come in and eliminate them in a few minutes. Then, the companions blow up the SAS Dalek ship and the Doctor tricks the SAS Daleks into destruction. There was not a lot of jeopardy.
Graham and Ryan leaving the show came out of nowhere for me.
The character moments were great. The scene with Jack and Yaz was great. The scene with the Doctor talking about the revelation of her past was good too.
1) Jack knows where the Doctor is and breaks her out of prison very easily with magic tech so that the Doctor can be part of the story.
2) We already have the tech for security drones now. Why did Robertson even need the destroyed shell? The story just needed a reason for building thousands of Dalek shells so that the Daleks would have an army ready for them.
3) The scientist was dumb. He finds some unidentified organic residue and just decides to clone it without asking anybody first. And then when ordered to destroy the Dalek clone, instead of just tossing the entire container into the incinerator, he opens the container first to allow the Dalek to get free and take over his body. Super dumb. But the story needed a living Dalek.
4) The Dalek is able to build a clone farm in a year without anyone noticing. Yes, I know they explain that the Dalek killed all the human workers when the work was completed but nobody said anything about the work they were doing? Nobody asked questions about the requisitions? The story needed a lot of living Daleks for all those Dalek shells being built.
5) The Daleks have transporters apparently where they can all just beam directly into the empty Dalek shells.
Voila! An army of Daleks!
The resolution was exciting with nice action but too easy. We barely get a few scenes of the new Daleks blasting people that the Doctor puts her plan into motion and the new Daleks come in and eliminate them in a few minutes. Then, the companions blow up the SAS Dalek ship and the Doctor tricks the SAS Daleks into destruction. There was not a lot of jeopardy.
Graham and Ryan leaving the show came out of nowhere for me.
The character moments were great. The scene with Jack and Yaz was great. The scene with the Doctor talking about the revelation of her past was good too.
Bringing this post here.
Yep. So it looks like the Daleks killing Jack is "No big deal"
Actually, he directly says he "has Dalek issues" when he gets gleeful at being allowed to blow up the saucer.
How does one watch Doctor Who and dislike the longest serving villains in the entire show?
Jack was the only reason I watched this special, he's the last thing connected to RTD era that brought Doctor Who back in the 1st place. I still plan on not watching the next season because of the historical changes made by Chris Chinball to the Time Lords and the Doctor, which basically destroyed some of the past stories in the process. It's called Doctor Who NOT Doctor Is. He depleted entire mystery of the character.
I guess this was a decent Farwell episode for me after 15+ Years of Doctor Who
This sat unwell with me, Tardis are alive FFS. Another reason why the hack Chris Chinball shouldn't be anywhere near the show. The guy has zero respect for the show's history and it's main character.
Well Chinball has deleted so much of what came before so he might as well start deleting his own work.
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I'm not a big fan of this current incarnation of Who, I watch it but it doesn't do too much for me so I'll spare everyone from going into detail.
However, I wanted to say, I thought the "Introducing John Bishop" thing with him smiling at the camera was like something out of a cheesy 80s show...and I love it for that lol. Probably a good move too since there's no way they can actually surprise people in today's world if they waited until the next series to unveil him.
However, I wanted to say, I thought the "Introducing John Bishop" thing with him smiling at the camera was like something out of a cheesy 80s show...and I love it for that lol. Probably a good move too since there's no way they can actually surprise people in today's world if they waited until the next series to unveil him.
That scene with Ryan and the Doctor - yikes that was badly written - I take it that it was filmed later and that's why he is wearing a beanie?
I cannot get over how wooden Tosin Cole and Mandip Gill are - although to be fair to both it must be hard to try and do anything with such poorly written characters.
I cannot get over how wooden Tosin Cole and Mandip Gill are - although to be fair to both it must be hard to try and do anything with such poorly written characters.
The Judoon imprisoned Thirteen primarily because of the events of Fugitive of the Judoon when she aided in the escape of 'Doctor Ruth'.
I don't get how that fact isn't/wasn't obvious to people.
I don't get how that fact isn't/wasn't obvious to people.
Quite easily.
Well, not so much with new Who because so much of it has been so disappointing and so...disrespectful (for want of a more appropriate word) of the character and the show's history, but as for the Daleks... I've been fed up with them since at least the Davison era. Seeing them over and over and over again is just boring. Each to their own but I do wish the Nation estate had refused to let the damned things reappear so something new and different and interesting could (potentially) be created.
I'm also very tried of the Daleks so I certainly agree with Orac Zen on that part at least. Just like I'm very tired of the Klingons in Star Trek (and greatly relieved they're nowhere to be seen in season 3 of Discovery).
Regarding the TARDISicide, it's entirely possible that TARDIS volunteered for the suicide mission, having become protective of Earth during its stay. Yeah, it's a bit of a handwave and, yeah, that's something should've been shown on screen in some form instead of leaving it to us fans to figure out, but that's the way I've chosen to look at it.
Regarding the TARDISicide, it's entirely possible that TARDIS volunteered for the suicide mission, having become protective of Earth during its stay. Yeah, it's a bit of a handwave and, yeah, that's something should've been shown on screen in some form instead of leaving it to us fans to figure out, but that's the way I've chosen to look at it.
I would concur with the general feelings about this one: fun, with moments - mosly thanks to Jack - but not original or memorable. DW by numbers, almost. More proof, for me, that Chibnall is primarily a plot-driven writer, and moreover one who isn't that great at generating plots in the first place. Probably the strongest evidence here is Robertson the rent-a-douche, popping up exactly when needed, then put back in storage the instant he stops being useful. I've little doubt he'll reappear to assist another alien invasion of Earth at some point.
As to Mr Bishop, not exactly enthused. Concerned he'll be little more than Graham 2.0. Still, one less companion hopefully means more room to breath and better development.
As to Mr Bishop, not exactly enthused. Concerned he'll be little more than Graham 2.0. Still, one less companion hopefully means more room to breath and better development.
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