Revisiting Star Trek Continues...

[Warped9]

Years ago I did photoshopped images of imaginary screencaps from a supposed lost season where the first season of TOS was set during the Pike era and filmed in B&W. I have long thought it would have been a very cool fan production to make a limited number of 10-15 episodes of the Pike era post “The Cage” and filmed in B&W. If it were done somewhat like STC, but without the fan service it could be fun. Think something like Marvel's Star Trek: Early Voyages, but live-action.

And I would likely leave it open ended rather showing the transfer of command from Pike to Kirk. Let people speculate.

 

[Maurice]

Never would have been black and white on NBC. IIRC, the only primetime show on NBC in that era that was in black and white was I Dream of Jeannie during the 1965–66 season. Even NBC's daytime programming was all-color by November 1966.

 

[Warped9]

Never would have been black and white on NBC. IIRC, the only primetime show on NBC in that era that was in black and white was I Dream of Jeannie during the 1965–66 season. Even NBC's daytime programming was all-color by November 1966.

I know, but it would be a fun project anyway, particularly since for many of us we started watching TOS in b&w.

Weren’t the first seasons of Voyage To The Bottom Of The Sea, Lost In Space and The Man From U.N.C.L.E. in b&w?

 

[Bixby]

Years ago I did photoshopped images of imaginary screencaps from a supposed lost season where the first season of TOS was set during the Pike era and filmed in B&W. I have long thought it would have been a very cool fan production to make a limited number of 10-15 episodes of the Pike era post “The Cage” and filmed in B&W. If it were done somewhat like STC, but without the fan service it could be fun. Think something like Marvel's Star Trek: Early Voyages, but live-action.

And I would likely leave it open ended rather showing the transfer of command from Pike to Kirk. Let people speculate.

i actually quite like the Cage's 1950s aesthetic of props and costumes, where you could have interchanged the actors from Forbidden Planet with the former and it would have worked...also, you could imagine the Enterprise crew fighting against atomic era monsters...

 

[Warped9]

 

[Phoenix219]

i actually quite like the Cage's 1950s aesthetic of props and costumes, where you could have interchanged the actors from Forbidden Planet with the former and it would have worked...also, you could imagine the Enterprise crew fighting against atomic era monsters...

I honestly would have loved a prequel series going meta and doing a complety 50s, Forbidden Planet style tech and aesthetic. TOS 60s, movie and lost era 70s and 80s, TNG 90s, setting each subsequent show aesthetically in the decade it was produced and tying it to that look.

 

[Richard Baker]

I was kinda hoping that what ST-Enterprise was going to be- retro style pre-Pike era. Some elements did work- the interior sets mostly, but the show runners were trying too hard to TNG things

 

[FredH]

Reinterpreting "Turnabout Intruder" as if it's not saying at every turn that women aren't allowed to command starships is a very post-1960s way of reinterpreting the episode. The sexism is painful, but it was all over shows of the era. It reads that way, no women starship captains. It's a crap episode, a hacked up rip-off of Turnabout (1940), which further supports the idea that it really was intended to be read that way.

For what it’s worth, I’m sure of two things:
1. Yes, the intention in the 60s was almost certainly that women really aren’t starship captains.
2. For us in 2025 to stick by that intention would be unconscionable, just as with the “woman on the bridge” comment in “The Cage”.

 

[FredH]

I honestly would have loved a prequel series going meta and doing a complety 50s, Forbidden Planet style tech and aesthetic. TOS 60s, movie and lost era 70s and 80s, TNG 90s, setting each subsequent show aesthetically in the decade it was produced and tying it to that look.

Personally, I’d rather see a series like that about the C-57D…

 

[CorporalCaptain]

For what it’s worth, I’m sure of two things:
1. Yes, the intention in the 60s was almost certainly that women really aren’t starship captains.
2. For us in 2025 to stick by that intention would be unconscionable, just as with the “woman on the bridge” comment in “The Cage”.

Agree 100%

 

[Maurice]

“woman on the bridge”

Which was a stupid line as filmed, given there was another woman on the bridge operating the console where Spock observed the starcharts, even though she didn't make the final edit of the pilot. One wonders if cutting her out was because it contradicted Pike's dumb line.

 

[Maurice]

Weren’t the first seasons of Voyage To The Bottom Of The Sea, Lost In Space and The Man From U.N.C.L.E. in b&w?

Yes, but CBS and ABC weren't pushing color as hard as NBC, and color production was tens of thousands of dollars more expensive per hour than black and white. NBC saw a business case for color because of prestige and that color TV households were a more lucrative target demographic for advertisers, even if the percentage of color sets to black and white was small, but steadily growing.

 

[David cgc]

Which was a stupid line as filmed, given there was another woman on the bridge operating the console where Spock observed the starcharts, even though she didn't make the final edit of the pilot. One wonders if cutting her out was because it contradicted Pike's dumb line.

She's still visible in the episode (both episodes) in the scene before the "woman on the bridge" line, at the station with the bridge fax machine when the Talosians send the more explicit distress call definitively saying there are survivors to sweeten the pot and get Pike to check it out.

 

[Pauln6]

Which was a stupid line as filmed, given there was another woman on the bridge operating the console where Spock observed the starcharts, even though she didn't make the final edit of the pilot. One wonders if cutting her out was because it contradicted Pike's dumb line.

Yeah it was written in the script on the assumption the only women would be the ones mentioned in the script. Onscreen, it's more in the context of him being used to his old yeoman at his elbow.

Lots on onscreen dialogue is contradicted by other stuff onscreen.

 

[Warped9]

Reinterpreting "Turnabout Intruder" as if it's not saying at every turn that women aren't allowed to command starships is a very post-1960s way of reinterpreting the episode. The sexism is painful, but it was all over shows of the era. It reads that way, no women starship captains. It's a crap episode, a hacked up rip-off of Turnabout (1940), which further supports the idea that it really was intended to be read that way.

In your interpretation. Despite your claims of “several data points” there is nothing throughout the entire series that explicitly states women cannot command.

And for the record many of us have never accepted Janice Lester’s words as anything other than the ravings of a bitter loon all the way back to watching the show in the 1960s and ‘70s.

 

[Phoenix219]

In your interpretation. Despite your claims of “several data points” there is nothing throughout the entire series that explicitly states women cannot command.

And for the record many of us have never accepted Janice Lester’s words as anything other than the ravings of a bitter loon all the way back to watching the show in the 1960s and ‘70s.

Number One flat out proves that they can, and through that one point sets the interpretation for this episode, way back at the beginning, IMO.

You don't put someone in the position where she literally is taking command if the Captain dies, if she's not allowed to be the Captain.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

In your interpretation. Despite your claims of “several data points” there is nothing throughout the entire series that explicitly states women cannot command.

And for the record many of us have never accepted Janice Lester’s words as anything other than the ravings of a bitter loon all the way back to watching the show in the 1960s and ‘70s.

It's a claim I stand by, and have made explicit before, and for anyone who cares to go look, I've linked where.

For the record, I didn't bring this up again. Someone else—who made a post with which I completely agree—and now you, have too. Why? To relitigate? To repeat yourself?

 

[Warped9]

It's a claim I stand by, and have made explicit before, and for anyone who cares to go look, I've linked where.

For the record, I didn't bring this up again. Someone else—who made a post with which I completely agree—and now you, have too. Why? To relitigate? To repeat yourself?

The issue was done until it was raised again. Oh, and as I said upthread I went to where you linked and there was nothing there but your interpretation of one line of dialogue. Thats not proof, but just your opinion. And someone else here also perused your link and didn’t find anything there.

So all you have is your interpretation which you’re welcome to stand by to your heart’s content.

 

[Warped9]

For what it’s worth, I’m sure of two things:
1. Yes, the intention in the 60s was almost certainly that women really aren’t starship captains.

You don't know that. And there is nothing throughout the series that explicitly states that either.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

The issue was done until you raised it again. Oh, and as I said upthread I went to where you linked and there was nothing there but your interpretation of one line of dialogue. Thats not proof, but just your opinion. And someone else here also perused your link and didn’t find anything there.

So all you have is your interpretation which you’re welcome to stand by to your heart’s content.

I did not raise it again. I replied to this post linked here, that quoted me: https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/revisiting-star-trek-continues.319370/post-15195170

Now you're misrepresenting history, both about what's transpired in this thread, and in the thread that originally reviewed "Embracing the Wind."

I've offered to take this conversation to a thread that's more appropriate, since a poster has requested no discussion of off-topic matters, and that offer still stands, but I've really nothing more to say to you about it in here.

Of course, if someone else elects to quote me in the future, I will make a decision to respond to them at that time, just as I did today.