Revisiting ST-TNG...

[Warped9]

Hmm...does anyone know if they had ever considered doing a Mirror Universe episode for TNG like they did eventually for DS9? I know there was a book, but that doesn't really count.

I'm just trying to imagine the TNG characters being dark... Maybe they have a habit of not saying "please" and "thank you." What could Troi possibly be like in the Mirror Universe? Or Crusher? Or any of them?

 

[RAMA]

Hmm...does anyone know if they had ever considered doing a Mirror Universe episode for TNG like they did eventually for DS9? I know there was a book, but that doesn't really count.

I'm just trying to imagine the TNG characters being dark... Maybe they have a habit of not saying "please" and "thank you." What could Troi possibly be like in the Mirror Universe? Or Crusher? Or any of them?

There was at least one story for it, don't recall the plot...to me if they didn't satisfactorily tie up the Spock story then it wasn't worth bothering...also, I had a feeling the producers thought the pirate aspect of the Mirror universe was probably too "silly" or melodramatic.

RAMA

 

[Herkimer Jitty]

The crew of the ISS Enterprise, NCC-1701/C

JEAN LUC PICARD - The illustrious commander of the Terran Imperial Starfleet's last great Galaxy-Class Dreadnought. Where our Picard is warm and gentle, this one is cold and hard, where ours would quotes Shakespeare, this one quotes Machiavelli.

Maybe his uniform could have some nifty Napoleonic accoutrements. It would go smashingly with one of those gold sashes.

COMMANDER SHELBY - Just as ambitious as the regular Shelby. This one decided to upstage Riker with a knife, instead of with her service to the ship and crew.

LORE - Operations officer. Because it's the mirror universe. Having Data wouldn't be as cool.

TASHA YAR - Less dead. Way way more extreme and violent. Generally regarded to be the captain's personally groomed killing machine.

GENERAL WORF - Picard's archnemesis, leading a pack of Alliance ships. Wheras our Worf is a centered being with a sense of duty and honor, this Worf is narrow-minded and ill-tempered. His ruthlessness and vision would prove integral to his ascension to Regent.

DEANNA TROI - Political officer. Obviously. With all the backstabbers and greedy self-serving crewmembers, somebody's gotta keep them in line. Who better than a telepath (she's been artificially augmented with implants and training to pick up more than the usual empathy stuff).

BEVERLY CRUSHER - Gettin' horizantal with the captain after-hours.

GEORDI LA FORGE - Abandoned by his parents when they learned he was blind. Not living a good life, and definitley not on the Enterprise.

REGINALD BARCLAY - The Enterprise's neurotic, dangerously paranoid chief engineer.

JANE SMITH (RO LAREN) - A Bajoran infiltrator disguised as a Terran officer, inserted by the Alliance. As the Enterprise's navigator, she has access to some veeeery interesting stuff.

 

[RAMA]

Don't agree about the Klingons. The whole Klingon saga (with a few missteps in Redemption 2) was terrific. The best visual fiction use of Klingons ever.

Problem was that the Klingons ended up being just as one dimensional as they were in TOS.

Where? In Sins of the Father, Reunion, Redemption, Birthright, Rightful Heir??? They became by far the most explored race in ST history?? Worf, Keh'lar, Kern, Lursa, Be'tor, Gowron, and of course Duras...all the supporting characters, each with their own motivations, often not having to do much with the central interests of the Klingon empire. It was Shakespearean in scale.

RAMA

 

[Holdfast]

The crew of the ISS Enterprise, NCC-1701/C

JEAN LUC PICARD - The illustrious commander of the Terran Imperial Starfleet's last great Galaxy-Class Dreadnought. Where our Picard is warm and gentle, this one is cold and hard, where ours would quotes Shakespeare, this one quotes Machiavelli.

Maybe his uniform could have some nifty Napoleonic accoutrements. It would go smashingly with one of those gold sashes.

COMMANDER SHELBY - Just as ambitious as the regular Shelby. This one decided to upstage Riker with a knife, instead of with her service to the ship and crew.

LORE - Operations officer. Because it's the mirror universe. Having Data wouldn't be as cool.

TASHA YAR - Less dead. Way way more extreme and violent. Generally regarded to be the captain's personally groomed killing machine.

GENERAL WORF - Picard's archnemesis, leading a pack of Alliance ships. Wheras our Worf is a centered being with a sense of duty and honor, this Worf is narrow-minded and ill-tempered. His ruthlessness and vision would prove integral to his ascension to Regent.

DEANNA TROI - Political officer. Obviously. With all the backstabbers and greedy self-serving crewmembers, somebody's gotta keep them in line. Who better than a telepath (she's been artificially augmented with implants and training to pick up more than the usual empathy stuff).

BEVERLY CRUSHER - Gettin' horizantal with the captain after-hours.

GEORDI LA FORGE - Abandoned by his parents when they learned he was blind. Not living a good life, and definitley not on the Enterprise.

REGINALD BARCLAY - The Enterprise's neurotic, dangerously paranoid chief engineer.

JANE SMITH (RO LAREN) - A Bajoran infiltrator disguised as a Terran officer, inserted by the Alliance. As the Enterprise's navigator, she has access to some veeeery interesting stuff.

I'd watch.

 

[RAMA]

I think I will save a real re-visit for myself for when the STNG-R comes out. I've never gone through ANY ST series from first episode to last, and that will be a first. Perhaps some episodes will be improved. :-)

RAMA

 

[Distorted Humor]

The crew of the ISS Enterprise, NCC-1701/C

JEAN LUC PICARD - The illustrious commander of the Terran Imperial Starfleet's last great Galaxy-Class Dreadnought. Where our Picard is warm and gentle, this one is cold and hard, where ours would quotes Shakespeare, this one quotes Machiavelli.

Maybe his uniform could have some nifty Napoleonic accoutrements. It would go smashingly with one of those gold sashes.

COMMANDER SHELBY - Just as ambitious as the regular Shelby. This one decided to upstage Riker with a knife, instead of with her service to the ship and crew.

LORE - Operations officer. Because it's the mirror universe. Having Data wouldn't be as cool.

TASHA YAR - Less dead. Way way more extreme and violent. Generally regarded to be the captain's personally groomed killing machine.

GENERAL WORF - Picard's archnemesis, leading a pack of Alliance ships. Wheras our Worf is a centered being with a sense of duty and honor, this Worf is narrow-minded and ill-tempered. His ruthlessness and vision would prove integral to his ascension to Regent.

DEANNA TROI - Political officer. Obviously. With all the backstabbers and greedy self-serving crewmembers, somebody's gotta keep them in line. Who better than a telepath (she's been artificially augmented with implants and training to pick up more than the usual empathy stuff).

BEVERLY CRUSHER - Gettin' horizantal with the captain after-hours.

GEORDI LA FORGE - Abandoned by his parents when they learned he was blind. Not living a good life, and definitley not on the Enterprise.

REGINALD BARCLAY - The Enterprise's neurotic, dangerously paranoid chief engineer.

JANE SMITH (RO LAREN) - A Bajoran infiltrator disguised as a Terran officer, inserted by the Alliance. As the Enterprise's navigator, she has access to some veeeery interesting stuff.

I'd watch.

DItto!

 

[Warped9]

Folks here may be aware that I'm presently revisiting TOS and I'm currently nearing the midpoint of its third season. Awile and somewhere upthread here someone inquired about comparing what I find with TOS with what I found in TNG in terms of rating.

Well at this point I can only look at TOS' first two seasons, but lets take a look anyway.


Seasonal comparisons:

Good to Excellent
TNG Season 1 = 16% (4 episodes)
TNG Season 2 = 40.9% (9 episodes)
TNG Season 3 = 42.3% (11 episodes)
TNG Season 4 = 42.3% (11 episodes)
TNG Season 5 = 34.6% (9 episodes)
TNG Season 6 = 30.7% (8 episodes)
TNG Season 7 = 15.3% (4 episodes)
TOS Season 1 = 82.7% (24 episodes)
TOS Season 2 = 61.5% (16 episodes)

Fair
TNG Season 1 = 36% (9 episodes)
TNG Season 2 = 22.7% (5 episodes)
TNG Season 3 = 30.7% (8 episodes)
TNG Season 4 = 26.9% (7 episodes)
TNG Season 5 = 34.6% (9 episodes)
TNG Season 6 = 34.6% (9 episodes)
TNG Season 7 = 34.6% (9 episodes)
TOS Season 1 = 17.2% (5 episodes)
TOS Season 2 = 26.9% (7 episodes)

Poor to Bad
TNG Season 1 = 48% (12 episodes)
TNG Season 2 = 36.3% (8 episodes)
TNG Season 3 = 26.9% (7 episodes)
TNG Season 4 = 30.7% (8 episodes)
TNG Season 5 = 30.7% (8 episodes)
TNG Season 6 = 34.6% (9 episodes)
TNG Season 7 = 50% (13 episodes)
TOS Season 1 = 0% (0 episodes)
TOS Season 2 = 11.5% (3 episodes)


Granted it has to be acknowledged that I'm primarily a TOS fan and it's my favourite Trek series. Still I did work my way through TNG and found quite a bit of it that I enjoyed. That said I do find this interesting.

First season TOS batted it out of the park and no season of TNG, not even the high water seasons three and four, could match TOS' first season in terms of the percentage of Good-Excellent episodes. And even though TOS slips in some measure in its second season that, too, still exceeded any of TNG's seasons in terms of Good-Excellent episodes. Also note that TOS' second season was equal in length (episode wise) to the average TNG season (26 episodes).

In terms of Fair rated episodes first season TOS had fewer than any season of TNG with TNG Season 2 coming closest. TOS' second season fared a bit worse and matches TNG's fourth season.

In terms of Poor-Bad episodes TOS does very well again because I didn't find any of TOS' first season episodes to be Poor or Bad and second season had very few real disappointments. And no TNG season came close to having similarly few disappointing episodes.

Of course, I've yet to finish TOS' Season 3 and to see what awaits there.

And, really, it all doesn't matter much because it really depends on what you like.

 

[RAMA]

Folks here may be aware that I'm presently revisiting TOS and I'm currently nearing the midpoint of its third season. Awile and somewhere upthread here someone inquired about comparing what I find with TOS with what I found in TNG in terms of rating.

Well at this point I can only look at TOS' first two seasons, but lets take a look anyway.


Seasonal comparisons:

Good to Excellent
TNG Season 1 = 16% (4 episodes)
TNG Season 2 = 40.9% (9 episodes)
TNG Season 3 = 42.3% (11 episodes)
TNG Season 4 = 42.3% (11 episodes)
TNG Season 5 = 34.6% (9 episodes)
TNG Season 6 = 30.7% (8 episodes)
TNG Season 7 = 15.3% (4 episodes)
TOS Season 1 = 82.7% (24 episodes)
TOS Season 2 = 61.5% (16 episodes)

Fair
TNG Season 1 = 36% (9 episodes)
TNG Season 2 = 22.7% (5 episodes)
TNG Season 3 = 30.7% (8 episodes)
TNG Season 4 = 26.9% (7 episodes)
TNG Season 5 = 34.6% (9 episodes)
TNG Season 6 = 34.6% (9 episodes)
TNG Season 7 = 34.6% (9 episodes)
TOS Season 1 = 17.2% (5 episodes)
TOS Season 2 = 26.9% (7 episodes)

Poor to Bad
TNG Season 1 = 48% (12 episodes)
TNG Season 2 = 36.3% (8 episodes)
TNG Season 3 = 26.9% (7 episodes)
TNG Season 4 = 30.7% (8 episodes)
TNG Season 5 = 30.7% (8 episodes)
TNG Season 6 = 34.6% (9 episodes)
TNG Season 7 = 50% (13 episodes)
TOS Season 1 = 0% (0 episodes)
TOS Season 2 = 11.5% (3 episodes)


Granted it has to be acknowledged that I'm primarily a TOS fan and it's my favourite Trek series. Still I did work my way through TNG and found quite a bit of it that I enjoyed. That said I do find this interesting.

First season TOS batted it out of the park and no season of TNG, not even the high water seasons three and four, could match TOS' first season in terms of the percentage of Good-Excellent episodes. And even though TOS slips in some measure in its second season that, too, still exceeded any of TNG's seasons in terms of Good-Excellent episodes. Also note that TOS' second season was equal in length (episode wise) to the average TNG season (26 episodes).

In terms of Fair rated episodes first season TOS had fewer than any season of TNG with TNG Season 2 coming closest. TOS' second season fared a bit worse and matches TNG's fourth season.

In terms of Poor-Bad episodes TOS does very well again because I didn't find any of TOS' first season episodes to be Poor or Bad and second season had very few real disappointments. And no TNG season came close to having similarly few disappointing episodes.

Of course, I've yet to finish TOS' Season 3 and to see what awaits there.

And, really, it all doesn't matter much because it really depends on what you like.

Nothing surprising there.

I like to compare season 4 of STNG with season 1 of TOS, these two are my 2 favorite ST seasons (with season 4 of ENT right there close by and DS9 season 6) there are only two "bad" episodes from each of these seasons in my book, and both have 9 5-star episodes. Very comparable in quality to me. I also like to compare 5-star eps overall...14 for TOS total (none in season 3) and 48 for STNG(season 2 has only 3 5-star eps). That's 17.5% to STNG's 27%.

RAMA

 

[evilnate]

"Unification" (Part I) ***
"Unification" (Part II) ***

Picard investigates a report that Ambassador Spock has been sighted on Romulus.

After all the hype and expectation of Leonard Nimoy as Spock appearing on TNG I found this just okay. There are moments in it, touching and humorous, but ultimately they're not enough to lift this up to something more engaging and more memorable.

I liked Picard's scenes with Sarek---how sad to see such a proud and regal and fascinating character in such a sad state. I also rather liked Picard's scenes with Spock. Sela in this wasn't bad either. But the rest of it just didn't engage me.

Ultimately I really found it hard to reconcile the way Spock is written here with the Spock of TOS. And, yes, I know it's supposed to gel with the way Spock is depicted in The Undiscovered Country, but I've got criticisms of that as well. And something felt off about some of Spock's portrayal here---perhaps it's just the lines he has to say and how he says them. I can't put my finger on it.

Ultimately while it's not bad I just found it too long and not particularly engaging.

I know this is going back quite a bit in this thread, but I've been doing my own re-watch of TNG and just got done watching this two-parter. Can anyone explain why it was important that the Romulans use Vulcan ships for their invasion force? Everyone knew that the ships were coming from Romulus; Holo-Spock even said it in his fake speech. Wouldn't it have made more sense for the Romulans to use Romulan ships, and somehow hidden their troops on board. Also, 2000 troops to occupy an entire planet? I know that the Romulans are more war-like than the peaceful Vulcans, but really - we wouldn't send 2000 troops to occupy an island these days.

I remember thinking these things when the episode first aired, but with this recent re-watch, I was really struck by how much the whole "stolen ship" subplot was just a poorly writen reason to keep Riker and the Enterprise in the story.

I did like the scene between Spock and Data, as well as the way Picard handled the Klingon to get the Bird-of-Prey.

 

[Warped9]

Folks here may be aware that I'm presently revisiting TOS and I'm currently nearing the midpoint of its third season. Awile and somewhere upthread here someone inquired about comparing what I find with TOS with what I found in TNG in terms of rating.

Well at this point I can only look at TOS' first two seasons, but lets take a look anyway.


Seasonal comparisons:

Good to Excellent
TNG Season 1 = 16% (4 episodes)
TNG Season 2 = 40.9% (9 episodes)
TNG Season 3 = 42.3% (11 episodes)
TNG Season 4 = 42.3% (11 episodes)
TNG Season 5 = 34.6% (9 episodes)
TNG Season 6 = 30.7% (8 episodes)
TNG Season 7 = 15.3% (4 episodes)
TOS Season 1 = 82.7% (24 episodes)
TOS Season 2 = 61.5% (16 episodes)

Fair
TNG Season 1 = 36% (9 episodes)
TNG Season 2 = 22.7% (5 episodes)
TNG Season 3 = 30.7% (8 episodes)
TNG Season 4 = 26.9% (7 episodes)
TNG Season 5 = 34.6% (9 episodes)
TNG Season 6 = 34.6% (9 episodes)
TNG Season 7 = 34.6% (9 episodes)
TOS Season 1 = 17.2% (5 episodes)
TOS Season 2 = 26.9% (7 episodes)

Poor to Bad
TNG Season 1 = 48% (12 episodes)
TNG Season 2 = 36.3% (8 episodes)
TNG Season 3 = 26.9% (7 episodes)
TNG Season 4 = 30.7% (8 episodes)
TNG Season 5 = 30.7% (8 episodes)
TNG Season 6 = 34.6% (9 episodes)
TNG Season 7 = 50% (13 episodes)
TOS Season 1 = 0% (0 episodes)
TOS Season 2 = 11.5% (3 episodes)


Granted it has to be acknowledged that I'm primarily a TOS fan and it's my favourite Trek series. Still I did work my way through TNG and found quite a bit of it that I enjoyed. That said I do find this interesting.

First season TOS batted it out of the park and no season of TNG, not even the high water seasons three and four, could match TOS' first season in terms of the percentage of Good-Excellent episodes. And even though TOS slips in some measure in its second season that, too, still exceeded any of TNG's seasons in terms of Good-Excellent episodes. Also note that TOS' second season was equal in length (episode wise) to the average TNG season (26 episodes).

In terms of Fair rated episodes first season TOS had fewer than any season of TNG with TNG Season 2 coming closest. TOS' second season fared a bit worse and matches TNG's fourth season.

In terms of Poor-Bad episodes TOS does very well again because I didn't find any of TOS' first season episodes to be Poor or Bad and second season had very few real disappointments. And no TNG season came close to having similarly few disappointing episodes.

Of course, I've yet to finish TOS' Season 3 and to see what awaits there.

And, really, it all doesn't matter much because it really depends on what you like.

Nothing surprising there.

I like to compare season 4 of STNG with season 1 of TOS, these two are my 2 favorite ST seasons (with season 4 of ENT right there close by and DS9 season 6) there are only two "bad" episodes from each of these seasons in my book, and both have 9 5-star episodes. Very comparable in quality to me. I also like to compare 5-star eps overall...14 for TOS total (none in season 3) and 48 for STNG(season 2 has only 3 5-star eps). That's 17.5% to STNG's 27%.

RAMA

Well, mileage will vary depending on the driver.

Although the final tally isn't in yet for TOS I'm guessing that the number of Good-Excellent episodes for TOS over its three seasons won't be far different than the number of such episodes for TNG over its seven seasons. For me that boils down to TOS having a better batting average overall during its run.

 

[Noname Given]

"Unification" (Part I) ***
"Unification" (Part II) ***

Picard investigates a report that Ambassador Spock has been sighted on Romulus.

After all the hype and expectation of Leonard Nimoy as Spock appearing on TNG I found this just okay. There are moments in it, touching and humorous, but ultimately they're not enough to lift this up to something more engaging and more memorable.

I liked Picard's scenes with Sarek---how sad to see such a proud and regal and fascinating character in such a sad state. I also rather liked Picard's scenes with Spock. Sela in this wasn't bad either. But the rest of it just didn't engage me.

Ultimately I really found it hard to reconcile the way Spock is written here with the Spock of TOS. And, yes, I know it's supposed to gel with the way Spock is depicted in The Undiscovered Country, but I've got criticisms of that as well. And something felt off about some of Spock's portrayal here---perhaps it's just the lines he has to say and how he says them. I can't put my finger on it.

Ultimately while it's not bad I just found it too long and not particularly engaging.

I know this is going back quite a bit in this thread, but I've been doing my own re-watch of TNG and just got done watching this two-parter. Can anyone explain why it was important that the Romulans use Vulcan ships for their invasion force? Everyone knew that the ships were coming from Romulus; Holo-Spock even said it in his fake speech. Wouldn't it have made more sense for the Romulans to use Romulan ships, and somehow hidden their troops on board. Also, 2000 troops to occupy an entire planet? I know that the Romulans are more war-like than the peaceful Vulcans, but really - we wouldn't send 2000 troops to occupy an island these days.

I remember thinking these things when the episode first aired, but with this recent re-watch, I was really struck by how much the whole "stolen ship" subplot was just a poorly writen reason to keep Riker and the Enterprise in the story.

I did like the scene between Spock and Data, as well as the way Picard handled the Klingon to get the Bird-of-Prey.

Well, remember, Spock went 'off script' - so we don't know what the Romulans had originally written for him regarding the ships - perhaps they were going to have Spock say he'd traveled to Romulus from Vulcan with his own diplomatic envoys or something on board them, and was returning home. I think the point was, the Romulans didn't want the ships surrounded by military troops when they landed; and as the ships were Vulcan, they thought the Vulcans would think they couldn't be a threat in any sense.

 

[RAMA]

BOBW alert on BBC America tonight. I know we all HAVE it but hell, it'll be hard to turn the channel if I'm watching TV later.

 

[Warped9]

And so I've finished my revisit of TOS.

Seasonal comparisons:

Good to Excellent - TNG never really gets close to TOS in terms of batting average here.
TNG Season 1 = 16% (4 episodes)
TNG Season 2 = 40.9% (9 episodes)
TNG Season 3 = 42.3% (11 episodes)
TNG Season 4 = 42.3% (11 episodes)
TNG Season 5 = 34.6% (9 episodes)
TNG Season 6 = 30.7% (8 episodes)
TNG Season 7 = 15.3% (4 episodes)
TOS Season 1 = 82.7% (24 episodes)
TOS Season 2 = 61.5% (16 episodes)
TOS Season 3 = 50% (12 episodes)

Fair - TNG picks up here where it loses in the better ratings. Whether that's win or lose is a matter of perspective. The closest equivalent is TNG's Season 4 with TOS' Seasons 2 and 3. In terms of numbers in any given season then it's pretty damned close.
TNG Season 1 = 36% (9 episodes)
TNG Season 2 = 22.7% (5 episodes)
TNG Season 3 = 30.7% (8 episodes)
TNG Season 4 = 26.9% (7 episodes)
TNG Season 5 = 34.6% (9 episodes)
TNG Season 6 = 34.6% (9 episodes)
TNG Season 7 = 34.6% (9 episodes)
TOS Season 1 = 17.2% (5 episodes)
TOS Season 2 = 26.9% (7 episodes)
TOS Season 3 = 25% (6 episodes)

Poor to Bad - The closest comparison is TNG's Season 3 with TOS' Season 3, but throughout the rest TNG has a poorer batting average.
TNG Season 1 = 48% (12 episodes)
TNG Season 2 = 36.3% (8 episodes)
TNG Season 3 = 26.9% (7 episodes)
TNG Season 4 = 30.7% (8 episodes)
TNG Season 5 = 30.7% (8 episodes)
TNG Season 6 = 34.6% (9 episodes)
TNG Season 7 = 50% (13 episodes)
TOS Season 1 = 0% (0 episodes)
TOS Season 2 = 11.5% (3 episodes)
TOS Season 3 = 25% (6 episodes

Of course, one can argue that TNG ran longer than TOS and so the odds for more Fair-Poor-Bad episodes was likely greater. But even if you compare only the first three or four seasons of TNG with TOS then TOS still has a better batting average.


Series comparisons:
Good to Excellent - TNG produced more than twice as many episodes as TOS and yet the difference in the number of quality episodes is negligible.
TNG = 31.4% (56 episodes)
TOS = 65.8% (52 episodes)

Fair - With a longer production run it's understandable TNG would have greater odds for putting out more average episodes.
TNG = 31.4% (56 episodes)
TOS = 22.7% (18 episodes)

Poor to Bad - TNG had more than twice as many episodes and more than three times as many disappointments.
TNG = 37% (66 episodes)
TOS = 11.3% (9 episodes)

Next stop: TAS

 

[RAMA]

I noticed--despite the claim of "objectiveness"--this sort of statement about 47 times in this long thread..In fact I could start and carry on a whole thread with such quotes.!

^^ When I look ahead I can see only about ten episodes, less than half of Season 4 that hold any possible interest for me. But I have to at least start the season to get Part II of "Best Of Both Worlds" which I remember to be a worthy episode.

 

[Warped9]

I noticed--despite the claim of "objectiveness"--this sort of statement about 47 times in this long thread..In fact I could start and carry on a whole thread with such quotes.!

^^ When I look ahead I can see only about ten episodes, less than half of Season 4 that hold any possible interest for me. But I have to at least start the season to get Part II of "Best Of Both Worlds" which I remember to be a worthy episode.

Big deal. I was going by what I remembered after not seeing the season for a very long time.

 

[RAMA]

I noticed--despite the claim of "objectiveness"--this sort of statement about 47 times in this long thread..In fact I could start and carry on a whole thread with such quotes.!

^^ When I look ahead I can see only about ten episodes, less than half of Season 4 that hold any possible interest for me. But I have to at least start the season to get Part II of "Best Of Both Worlds" which I remember to be a worthy episode.

Big deal. I was going by what I remembered after not seeing the season for a very long time.

I was copying and saving parts of two revisit threads, and the sheer number of times it occurs is much more apparent with an overview.

RAMA

 

[Warped9]

I find it hard to believe I said that 47 times.

 

[RAMA]

I find it hard to believe I said that 47 times.

Of course, it was a slight exaggeration for effect, I didn't really take the time to count them.

RAMA

 

[RAMA]

I think I will save a real re-visit for myself for when the STNG-R comes out. I've never gone through ANY ST series from first episode to last, and that will be a first. Perhaps some episodes will be improved. :-)

RAMA

Damn, I rock! That was way before an official announcement..cocky.

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