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Revisiting Babylon 5 on DVD....

Warped9

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Revisiting Babylon 5.

I haven’t seen Babylon 5 since it wrapped up its final season more than ten years ago. I do have strong positive memories of the series and see it as among the best science fiction on television. Even since it ended and in light of what has come along since I still ranked it as my second favourite overall SF series after the original Star Trek. Indeed I’ve long felt that B5 was much more the real spiritual successor to the original Star Trek than any of the official spin-offs. To that end I was disappointed that Crusade never took off since I think it had the potential to be a worthy followup to B5.

I first found the series midway through its first season, seeking the show out based on strong recommendations from friends. Within three episodes I was hooked. B5 underscored all the things I felt was wrong with the later seasons of TNG as well as DS9. I had initially liked DS9 even though I felt it uneven and I finally drifted away midway through its third season.

Recently I picked up B5’s first season on DVD when the season sets finally became reasonably priced. I’ve just finished getting through all the episodes as well as the three documentaries included in the set.

When B5 first arrived with its broad use of cgi f/x it was a big deal at the time. The extensive use of cgi allowed the show to visualize things that would have been very difficult if not impossible previously for a show of its scope. A decade later with all the advances we’ve seen with cgi f/x on TV and film it’s interesting to revisit B5’s efforts.

I initially watched B5’s five seasons on a 20” JVC flatscreen CRT TV where those cutting edge cgi f/x looked amazing. Seeing them now on a 32” Samsung LCD I have to say it still looks pretty good although it’s quite apparent the f/x sequences are obviously cgi. There’s something of a flatness, a lack of visual nuance and texture that’s apparent although I have to say I don’t find it horrible or jarring. I must also add that with each episode it appears the f/x were gradually improving. I’m eager to see how much they do improve over the forthcoming other season sets.

Regarding the live-action sequences I find the show a visual feast in terms of texture, detail and colour. On another note I still love the music.

Writing wise the show is a little uneven in the beginning, but again it gets better as the episodes progress. The same applies to the performances as the actors and writers are finding their groove. I will say I find B5’s first season much more consistent overall than the initial seasons of TNG and DS9. I do recall a lot of criticism towards Michael O’Hare’s performance all those years ago yet watching it now I see more nuance than I remembered as he, too, got better as the season progressed.

I think it pays to put the early episodes in context. I didn’t see B5’s initial pilot TV movie until later in the series (I kind of forget when I actually saw it), but I do recall thinking the series first season episodes were a huge improvement over the pilot in pretty much all respects. “The Gathering” pilot strikes me as if JMS was trying too hard and just hadn’t nailed down all his ideas yet.

Watching these episodes again after so long I’m reminded of how much I enjoyed this series and find myself getting back into the show’s mindset and rhythms. I’m finding that while I like certain episodes better than others I still find them all very watchable. Additionally I just love the use of humour that serves well to ground the characters. Concurrently I’ve also been rewatching reruns of early DS9 on Space where they’ve just begun second season. There I’m finding I’m sticking with episodes I still find appealing while switching channels when encountering episodes that can’t hold me.

Watching the documentaries was a little enlightening although I do recall much of the materiel from years past. JMS and others make a point of affirming that he’d been trying to sell the show for five years and began putting his ideas down back in 1987. This is obviously long before DS9 was even a fog of an idea over at Paramount. JMS also makes a point of drawing something of an evolutionary connection in terms of television SF from The Twilight Zone to the original Star Trek to B5. Dorothy Fontana and even Walter Koenig also make that connection in their remarks.

I’m not sure how well B5 is remembered now. Certainly people I work with either dimly recall the show or aren’t even aware of it. I do recall that I felt the show had the odds stacked aginst it. It was up against the juggernaut of the Trek franchise and Warner simply didn’t promote the show like Paramount did with Trek. It also often didn’t have the best scheduling and simply wasn’t as visible as the Trek series. Pity, because if better promoted I think it could have been better received. I think it also didn’t help that JMS was initially averse to merchandising the series, in contrast to the extensive merchandising of Trek.

But all that is past. Presently I’m energized revisiting this series and I look forward to picking up the following seasons.
 
One of these days I'll revisit Babylon 5. The show's early VFX never bothered me, but neither did the VFX of the original Doctor Who.
 
I believe Babylon 5 is fondly remembered, especially by older members of the science fiction fan community, but it is far less well known amongst younger generations, for a variety of reasons (no television broadcasts, DVD sets that were for the longest time prohibitively expensive, masters that need a lot of work before they could be converted to HD, numerous attempts at follow-ups that were all aborted at various stages).

I do wish Warner Bros. put more efforts into the DVDs, though. Considering all the interviews they apparently shot for the brief "intro" segments for each season (actually spoiler-filled retrospectives of each season), there certainly could have been more recent (at the time of release) documentary material.
 
I believe Babylon 5 is fondly remembered, especially by older members of the science fiction fan community, but it is far less well known amongst younger generations, for a variety of reasons (no television broadcasts, DVD sets that were for the longest time prohibitively expensive, masters that need a lot of work before they could be converted to HD, numerous attempts at follow-ups that were all aborted at various stages).

I'm 19, recently bought all five seasons on DVD, watched them through, loved them. :)
 
I also loved the show and have the series on DVD. They almost didn't survive their first season do the the space fights being so "slow". It's a shame cause they actually did it right!

There is some stuff you may not know regarding the behind the scenes drama. The orginal Camdr. of B5 (played by Michael O'Hare) was a real problem on set. He apparently was a real arrogant, womanizing SOB that was constantly groping the female support staff. He and Jerry Doyle almost came to blows on numerious occosions. That is why he was replaced in season two. Did you notice how he and Doyle did not appear on set together when he came back for a couple of episodes? There was a real world reason for that.
 
Going through Babylon 5 again is always fun.

There is some stuff you may not know regarding the behind the scenes drama. The orginal Camdr. of B5 (played by Michael O'Hare) was a real problem on set. He apparently was a real arrogant, womanizing SOB that was constantly groping the female support staff. He and Jerry Doyle almost came to blows on numerious occosions. That is why he was replaced in season two. Did you notice how he and Doyle did not appear on set together when he came back for a couple of episodes? There was a real world reason for that.

Mind you, this is what Doyle claims and he's not always the most reliable source.
 
I believe Babylon 5 is fondly remembered, especially by older members of the science fiction fan community, but it is far less well known amongst younger generations, for a variety of reasons (no television broadcasts, DVD sets that were for the longest time prohibitively expensive, masters that need a lot of work before they could be converted to HD, numerous attempts at follow-ups that were all aborted at various stages).

I'm 19, recently bought all five seasons on DVD, watched them through, loved them. :)

Sure. I'm 22. Bought all the seasons on DVD three years ago. But it's a lot easier to get into the series when you hang around online communities like this one. :)
 
Revisiting Babylon 5.

. . . JMS was initially averse to merchandising the series. . .

That also explains the episode where he took a direct shot at merchandision B5 in one of the episodes. Oh I laughed at that. . . .
While it was ultimately JMS's decision to leave that line in, the script was by Peter David.

Mind you, this is what Doyle claims and he's not always the most reliable source.
That's for sure. Jerry Doyle is always entertaining but that's about the best I can say for him.

I envy folks who haven't seen the show for a long time or are only watching it for the first time. Wish I could reclaim that feeling.

Jan
 
I believe the episodes have been remastered because I now see no discrepencies between the live-action footage and the VFX sequences. Everything is in the same aspect ratio and everything looks equally crisp.
 
Unfortunately, the remastering work on Babylon 5 is incredibly problematic. You can really tell when viewing the series on a HD screen, much less so in SD. An account of the issues can be found here. I'm split on it, because although I love the 16:9 framing on the live action footage, cropping the visual effects from 4:3 makes them look terrible in most instances. I partly wish they'd release the series in full frame, as they released The Gathering, since new effects for a proper 16:9 release are out of the question financially.
 
Many people forget that B5 was one of the first tv series to make so much use of cgi. There were many who actually criticized the show for not using models. As I watch the show over 15 years later I think the effect hold up pretty well. And the story continues to amaze.
 
I'm watching the show for the first time... just got to the part in season 4 where they chased the shadows and vorlons away. :)

I like the CGI, but sometimes I not sure about all the mysticism stuff hanging around, but the show is pretty good, still.

I'm going to finish it, anyway. :)
 
Going through Babylon 5 again is always fun.

There is some stuff you may not know regarding the behind the scenes drama. The orginal Camdr. of B5 (played by Michael O'Hare) was a real problem on set. He apparently was a real arrogant, womanizing SOB that was constantly groping the female support staff. He and Jerry Doyle almost came to blows on numerious occosions. That is why he was replaced in season two. Did you notice how he and Doyle did not appear on set together when he came back for a couple of episodes? There was a real world reason for that.

Mind you, this is what Doyle claims and he's not always the most reliable source.

Do you have a source that disputes this? If so I'd love to read/hear it, or is this just your "interpretation"?
 
Going through Babylon 5 again is always fun.

There is some stuff you may not know regarding the behind the scenes drama. The orginal Camdr. of B5 (played by Michael O'Hare) was a real problem on set. He apparently was a real arrogant, womanizing SOB that was constantly groping the female support staff. He and Jerry Doyle almost came to blows on numerious occosions. That is why he was replaced in season two. Did you notice how he and Doyle did not appear on set together when he came back for a couple of episodes? There was a real world reason for that.

Mind you, this is what Doyle claims and he's not always the most reliable source.

Do you have some sort of credible source that calls his reliablity into question? If so I'd love to read/hear it. Otherwise. . . . . .
 
For me the VFX are what they are. Somewhat like TOS. They're something of their time. They certainly don't detract from the show and stories as far as I'm concerned.
 
Going through Babylon 5 again is always fun.

There is some stuff you may not know regarding the behind the scenes drama. The orginal Camdr. of B5 (played by Michael O'Hare) was a real problem on set. He apparently was a real arrogant, womanizing SOB that was constantly groping the female support staff. He and Jerry Doyle almost came to blows on numerious occosions. That is why he was replaced in season two. Did you notice how he and Doyle did not appear on set together when he came back for a couple of episodes? There was a real world reason for that.

Mind you, this is what Doyle claims and he's not always the most reliable source.

Do you have some sort of credible source that calls his reliablity into question? If so I'd love to read/hear it. Otherwise. . . . . .

It's not possible to prove a negative but I've seen almost all of the rest of the B5 actors at numerous conventions and the 'Michael O'Hare leaving' question isn't exactly uncommon. NONE have ever said anything worse than they felt that he was uncomfortable in the part and struggled with his lines and the pace of episodic TV. Perhaps they're simply more professional than Doyle since I've also never seen any of them display the behavior that I've witnessed Jerry Doyle in which includes drunk, rude, crude and socially unacceptable. I don't consider him to be a credible source in the first place.

Jan
 
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For me the VFX are what they are. Somewhat like TOS. They're something of their time. They certainly don't detract from the show and stories as far as I'm concerned.
Sometimes when I watch Babylon 5 the SFX bothers me (and some of the acting - mostly from the guest stars) but more often than not the themes of the episode rise above it all and capture my interest anyway.

It's kind of like when I watch Seinfeld, after years of single camera comedy shows like Arrested Development and 30 Rock, when I revisit Seinfeld it's impossible not to notice how uninteresting the camera work and editing are...But of course, that's not the point and eventually I am laughing at the jokes and caught up in the situations and completely forget the show was shot on a stage.
 
B5 remains for me the greatest TV series ever made. And I think the CGI still looks good to this day (cept for S1). The DVD sets routinely sell for $20 each the past year so hopefully that will be spreading the word a little more.
 
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