Review Star Trek: Of Gods and Men Part 1.

[Jimmy_C]

Tulin said:
I would be fine with that IF Fontana's story was actually good.

It wasn't.

They promised us the world and instead we got Walter koenig sitting in a room talking to a younger version of himself about Edith Keeler and the hippies from "The Apple".

As a friend of mine said, "If they are going to get Koenig in, actually have him DO something!"


Considering the furore it created with the death scene, the payoff of the episode was NOT worth it. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE what the NV people are doing but that episode was really quite odd. Personally, I wasa more interested in the political intrigue b-story and what was happening on the colony worlds.

Well compared with other fan productions, I think it is one of the best so far. Though it certainly needs polishing, I thought the production was good. Of course, none of the fan productions have even approached Star Trek Voyager: Threshold level yet, but they are getting close. It is matter of time before the script writing improves.

 

[Amaris]

Jimmy_C said:


Well compared with other fan productions, I think it is one of the best so far. Though it certainly needs polishing, I thought the production was good. Of course, none of the fan productions have even approached Star Trek Voyager: Threshold level yet, but they are getting close. It is matter of time before the script writing improves.

I respectfully disagree. I believe Star Trek: Exeter, and Star Trek: New Voyages are far superior to that, uh, unique episode of Voyager. I'm a big fan of both series (Exeter & NV), and consider them light years ahead of most modern Trek, particularly Voyager and Enterprise (no offense VOY/ENT fans).


J.

 

[Jimmy_C]

You're wrong. The script is just the first part of a film. Well you have to admit that the acting, direction, editing, special effects, and other aspects of production are far superior on the professional shows. STNV and STE are getting better, but they are nowhere near the other shows in all those regards. If all you care about is the story and script, read a book! But if you appreciate the works of all those other contributors, you have to admit the professional productions are frankly more professional.

As for the story, the fan productions too often try to be too epic. They do too much. STNV is worst when it adds stuff just because. Take the story about the Doomsday machines. The first two thirds were great! However, the last third was just awful. Too much time travel, too many tie ins to other plots, and a resolution worse than anything on Enterprise or Voyager. They combined the solutions from Enterprise's Zero Hour with TNG's All Good Things without the meaning. The last half of that first episode was more mindless action than anything on any of the modern shows.

 

[Twain]

Lovely to see so many Trek alumni on screen, but awful hearing them spout that truly terrible dialogue. And the plot? I've already seen Yesterday's Enterprise, Mirror Mirror, Charlie X and City on the Edge of Forever. Great episodes on their own, but unpalatable when put in a blender and whizzed up into a fan-wank smoothie.

Oh well. Back to my Carnivale box-set...

 

[lonewriter]

I could only watch a few minutes of it then it started that buffering every few seconds crap and the choppy crap got on my last nerve on what I did see. I will watch it when it is actually downloadable (not that streaming garbage) I do hate the fact that we had to wait all this time, have many delays and this is the quality we get?

 

[marillion]

As an "average" fan of Star Trek, I have to say I was completely pleased with the show... Many compliments to the actors, crew and staff who put this together.

By "average fan", I consider myself to just a regular joe, who really digs Trek but has never obsessed about it like I did with Dr. Who.. Of course, with Doctor Who, the effects and acting done in this production far outweigh most of what was done with the "Classic Who" productions!

Way to go and I can't wait to view the rest!!

 

[Trekwatcher]

Tallguy said:The novel will explain that the Enterprise-B and the Gunterman were on a joint mission rescuing orphans mere moments after dropping off Uhura and Harriman. Yeah, that's it.)
-- Bill

Did I get that right? Is there going to be a novelization of OGAM?

 

[Tallguy]

Trekwatcher said:

Tallguy said:The novel will explain that the Enterprise-B and the Gunterman were on a joint mission rescuing orphans mere moments after dropping off Uhura and Harriman. Yeah, that's it.)
-- Bill

Did I get that right? Is there going to be a novelization of OGAM?

No. I have still not learned that sarcasm just doesn't translate in email or message boards. Sorry. (But I could ask Jack and Ethan if they want to do one. )

 

[Trekwatcher]

Tallguy said:

Trekwatcher said:

Tallguy said:The novel will explain that the Enterprise-B and the Gunterman were on a joint mission rescuing orphans mere moments after dropping off Uhura and Harriman. Yeah, that's it.)
-- Bill

Did I get that right? Is there going to be a novelization of OGAM?

No. I have still not learned that sarcasm just doesn't translate in email or message boards. Sorry. (But I could ask Jack and Ethan if they want to do one. )

Well, it seemed odd to me, but you ARE involved with the production...

 

[Tom]

A book is a good idea though and im sure it's being considered. An expansion on the story would be cool, i think a book would sell pretty good IMO.

 

[Twain]

i think a book would sell pretty good IMO.

Sure. Until Paramount break down your door and sue you silly.

 

[Tom]

I meant if it's licensed though CBS Licensing of course, and that is an 'if' .

 

[Amaris]

Jimmy_C said:
You're wrong.

I'm not wrong. We just disagree.



J.

 

[fleetcaptain]

I just watched the first part 30 mintues ago and it was pretty good. After such a long wait, don't mind waiting to see what happens next. I do have a question, which I didn't see answered really. During Uhura's log, Sulu was mentioned being in the Gamma Quadrant. I'm kind of lost on that since well the Gamma Quadrant wasn't first explored til 2369. Did someone get lost there?

 

[Jimmy_C]

J. Allen said:

Jimmy_C said:
You're wrong.

I'm not wrong. We just disagree.



J.

Just because you have an opinion doesn't mean it makes sense! Nobody cares about just having an opinion. Why you have it is more important. Otherwise why even give your opinion if you're unwilling to discuss or even change it?

 

[Amaris]

Jimmy_C said:

J. Allen said:

Jimmy_C said:
You're wrong.

I'm not wrong. We just disagree.



J.

Just because you have an opinion doesn't mean it makes sense! Nobody cares about just having an opinion. Why you have it is more important. Otherwise why even give your opinion if you're unwilling to discuss or even change it?

Perhaps you don't care, but I do. More importantly, opinions are just that. They're not facts, so statements such as "you're wrong" do not follow any line of logic, rather they polarize an issue because one is not willing to concede that their opinion is exactly that. An opinion.


J.

 

[AviTrek]

FleetLord said:
I meant if it's licensed though CBS Licensing of course, and that is an 'if' .

Wow, that's a dangerous thought. CBS has a history of licensing books so there is nothing inherently wrong with Pocket Books publishing a book of OGAM. Of course at that point you have book sales being increased because of the publicity of the video. So you would be indirectly profiting from the video. And CBS might not like that.

 

[Tom]

But CBS gets a percentage of all books sales, do they not? The film would only help them to make more money with out the messy should we or should we not deal with licensing fan films.

 

[cultcross]

^ indeed. At that point, in fact, the film would have a similar relationship to the book what it has now to Star Trek as a licenced property, in CBS's eyes. A free form of advertising, which will hopefully increase sales of the licenced for-profit product.

Jimmy_C said:

J. Allen said:

Jimmy_C said:
You're wrong.

I'm not wrong. We just disagree.



J.

Just because you have an opinion doesn't mean it makes sense! Nobody cares about just having an opinion. Why you have it is more important. Otherwise why even give your opinion if you're unwilling to discuss or even change it?

A good question, and obviosuly one you should ask yourself if your response to disagreement is "you're wrong."

In fact, I agree with J. Allen regarding VOY and ENT. ST:NV in particular has produced episodes which are superior to some episodes of VOY and ENT. ST:OGAM looks set to be in a similar league.

 

[Noname Given]

FleetLord said:
But CBS gets a percentage of all books sales, do they not? The film would only help them to make more money with out the messy should we or should we not deal with licensing fan films.

But you seem to forget the little issue that Of Gods and Men (the video) was not officially sanctioned or licensed by/from CBS - and suddenly licensing a book adatation of that unlicensed property would open a whole new legal can of worms that I do not believe CBS or the folks behinf OGaM would really want to get into.

The worst case scenario ciould be that CBS decides to aggressivly persue and shut down non-licensed fan productions. I think right now for BOTH CBS and Paramount - the miniscule profit that they might get would be outweighed by the potential legal issues such a situation would present, especially now with Paramount banking a lot on the performance of the upcoming Star Trek XI

Again, (and as I'm sure most involved are aware); you secure the licensing/legal permission FIRST. You don't do an entire production and then walk up to CBS and go "Will you officially license this now?"

If they (CBS) allowed such a thing (and thus set a precident that others could claim in a copyright infringement lawsuit if CBS came after them for their productions); they risk losing licensing control of their 'Star Trek' property.