I'm a Christian Liberal who votes Democratic.
A Christian Liberal??? What a strange combination.
It's not strange at all, in fact it is extremely commonplace.
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It's not strange at all, in fact it is extremely commonplace.
This pirate party movement worldwide isn't bad as more transparency and less rigid copyrights are good (While the protection of intellectual property is important to maintain incentives it also has the nature of a public good: if you eat an apple it is gone, if you read a book knowledge increases. There is a trade-off and that's why the optimal amount of copyright infringement cannot be zero.)
Yet the name is indeed unfortunate and the agenda of such parties is limited. Any party which doesn't focus on economy issues cannot become a mainstream party ... and any left party which doesn't have income and wealth distribution on its radar is decadent. Transparency, direct democracy and so on sound nice but I doubt that they can really change the power structure of a society.
It's the old Chomsky fallacy, the problem is not that people don't know the facts. The problem is disavowal, that people don't want to know the facts or work on changing them.
The Thread title should be "Republican/Democrat," which are opposing political parties, or "Right Wing/Left Wing," which are opposing ideologies. Neither of them is liberal, since all ideologies are conservative by nature-- conservative means unable or unwilling to change. I'm a true liberal, so I often disagree with both sides (and am usually accused by each of being the other).
That said, I almost invariably vote Democrat; not because I like them, but to keep the Republicans out.
That said, I almost invariably vote Democrat; not because I like them, but to keep the Republicans out.
^even renaming left/right could be confusing. Espically when you factor into various elements. For example I believe in the US Democrats represent the left whilst Rupublicians represent the right. However in other countries their right might be closer to the US left.
I would consider myself more of a centrist or at a push slighly centre-right. If I were American I would probably lean mean towards Democrat which is the US left.
^and whilst that might be the literal defination of Conservative RJD, last I checked the Conservative Party (in the UK) is willing to change things and not keep the status quo. Though perhaps it's more a case of not doing change for changes sake, and only making change when their is a need to do so.
I would consider myself more of a centrist or at a push slighly centre-right. If I were American I would probably lean mean towards Democrat which is the US left.
^and whilst that might be the literal defination of Conservative RJD, last I checked the Conservative Party (in the UK) is willing to change things and not keep the status quo. Though perhaps it's more a case of not doing change for changes sake, and only making change when their is a need to do so.
I'm a Christian Liberal who votes Democratic.
A Christian Liberal??? What a strange combination.
It's not strange at all, in fact it is extremely commonplace.
No, it's not. But I mention that I was a Christian Liberal, my fellow bretheran nearly jumped on me. Questioning my beliefs. I was taken aback and not very happy about.
i'm a liberal, but i vote Labour, because i didn't think the FibDems would ever get in and now i'll never vote for those fuckers after they sold out and joined Sham-eron and his CON-servatives.
I'm a Christian Liberal who votes Democratic.
A Christian Liberal??? What a strange combination.
It's not strange at all, in fact it is extremely commonplace.
No, it's not. But I mention that I was a Christian Liberal, my fellow bretheran nearly jumped on me. Questioning my beliefs. I was taken aback and not very happy about.
There are a fair number of liberal Catholics.
There are also many extremely conservative Catholics, especially in the US.
I guess that just shows, that politics and religion doesn't necessarily have much to do with each other.
I guess that just shows, that politics and religion doesn't necessarily have much to do with each other.
Yep. I'm not particularly fond of religion, but there is a strong strand of liberal-thinking and socially-inclined Christianity, at least in Europe. They are usually found at the fringes of Catholic hierarchy, but they a strong presence in society.
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Yeah, less so in the U.S., though. At the very least, the more liberal sects (heh) are quiet compared to the vocal Dominionists who make up a good number of Christians here, and so appear much smaller in number. I think that's what Datagal meant.
Oh, I know, and I understand datagal's situation (and frustration). I was just putting Roger's comment in context from an European perspective.
I vote Democrat, but only because there's no US party that's true left. Some of my beliefs could probably even be considered socialist.
Social democracy, really - so I float about the left/centre-left parties as the issues decide. Which means a combination of Labour and Scottish National Party votes.
I think that they appear that way, as you said, but we ought to be emphasizing the existence of Christian liberals instead of acting like they're unicorns.
Middle-of-the-road with beliefs that cover the political spectrum. For instance, I'm hawkish on defense, but I support social programs. I voted Repub until George Bush the lesser got completely out of control. Now voting Democrat because the Republicans are such complete a-holes recently.
Fixed it for you.
Difficult to say how I'd actually vote in the USA (I could have, historically, but never bothered to register for voting from abroad, but in the future I won't be able to as I'm renouncing citizenship imminently). Neither Democrats or Republicans really tick all my boxes; Libertarian probably comes closer, but I'm not quite so extreme. In US policy terms, I'd be fairly centrist I guess... it would probably depend on the candidate. In the UK, I'm pretty comfortably in social-liberal wing of the Conservatives. Essentially, I'm in favour of keeping the government as small as possible, both with regard to fiscal and social policy, though moderating that by some basic principles of utilitarianism.
If I had to really pick a label for myself, it would probably be closest to Classical Liberal, perhaps as modified by Hayek rather than being entirely in the camp of Bentham or Mill.
If I had to really pick a label for myself, it would probably be closest to Classical Liberal, perhaps as modified by Hayek rather than being entirely in the camp of Bentham or Mill.
Don't be coy, what do you really think about the government? =p
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