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Remember the old days? (Mainly for Gen X and boomers, I guess…)

I don't really buy Generation Jones. People born in 1954 and people born in 1965 became teenagers and adults in pretty different times.
Yeah, my sister was born in 1951 and graduated HS in 1969 - by all rights she should have been a hippie, but she was too square :lol:. I was born in '57 and graduated in 1975, with the rise of leisure suits and blow-dried hair and we were on the cusp of (ugh) disco. I feel like we're totally different generations, tho we're both technically boomers (our Dad was a WWII vet - he just took his time having kids :lol: ).

I joined a Facebook group call Generation Jones out of curiosity, and it seems like we're all just boomers there.
 
I had felt that Pepsi missed a prime opportunity to make a Star Trek connection in the 80's and early 90's. They slogan was "The choice of a new generation."

I had a vision of their commercial ending with Brent Spiner.

"Pepsi: The choice of a new generation."

He drinks, looks at the camera and in perfect Dataspeak:

"And the Next."
Mike Myers partially took this tactic with Rob Lowe. For similar reasons I always regretted it when Robert Downey Jr. failed to shoot out a TUFF TURF reference to his opponent James Spader in AGE OF ULTRON. Not that there's anything TREK with that. But the six degrees of Bacon undoubtedly remedy that.:borg:
 
Disco was hated in much of America because it was associated with Blacks and gay people, which contributed to the backlash against it. Disco Sucks wasn't just about the music.

And Saturday Night Fever's a great film because it's not really about disco, but it's about rudderless youth in a recession economy whose one escape is by taking what little money they have and going out on Saturday night to strut their stuff and feel important.

But by the time Fever came out, the disco craze was waning a bit in the big cities. Disco Duck made disco an object of easy ridicule because it pointed out how oversaturated it was.
 
Disco was hated in much of America because it was associated with Blacks and gay people, which contributed to the backlash against it. Disco Sucks wasn't just about the music.

And Saturday Night Fever's a great film because it's not really about disco, but it's about rudderless youth in a recession economy whose one escape is by taking what little money they have and going out on Saturday night to strut their stuff and feel important.

But by the time Fever came out, the disco craze was waning a bit in the big cities. Disco Duck made disco an object of easy ridicule because it pointed out how oversaturated it was.
I think that's true, but can you imagine being a director, and you're trying to make this little movie with the working title Saturday Night, and nobody thinks it will amount to anything. You and your star are known for TV. You hire the Bee Gees to make some songs for it, and what they come up with is so explosively fantastic that you alter your title to fit their music, and your film sets the world on fire. That's lucky.
 
Disco, to me, was dance music, and I had two left feet. I liked the music from about 1966-1974-ish the best. Plus - guys singing falsetto just hurt my ears. So I wasn't a fan of Disco. Which was tough luck for me as it lasted for some time and plenty loved it.

Nothing to do with being associated with blacks. Hell, I didn't even know that 'til I read it here. I liked 1960s Motown music, still do.

And I liked the Bee Gees PRE-Disco music.

I'm so glad TOS ended before the Disco-era. I'm not counting TMP.
 
Exactly, which means something different than it does today. Today it's "whatever product with the Star Trek brand on it." Much different than the hunger for those same 79 episodes and more time with the characters within. We already knew the quality of them and looked forward to the reunion movies. Movies we looked forward to not because "new Star Trek product" but because they were reunions. More Kirk, Spock, McCoy, Scotty, Uhura, Sulu and Chekov.

It wasn't "I have to watch/like it because it's called Star Trek." Again: one show. And that made our little club, well, little. And that was the exciting part.

I have zero issues with people who look at the entire franchise that way. Actually, I wish I felt the same way they did. But I haven't gotten legitimately excited for new Star Trek in decades.
It's all a matter of perspective. I was born in 1987, so I lived the first 18 years of my life during a time when there was always brand new Star Trek episodes on the air. My earliest memories of Star Trek are of my grandpa watching TNG in its original airing. So TNG was my first association of what Star Trek was. I remember going to a video store and would see Star Trek videos available for rental, and to my astonishment it featured a different leading character. It wasn't the bald guy I saw on TV, it was someone else entirely, and he had hair!* I think Star Trek is the first title I ever came across that happened to have two different sets of casts. That was so unique to me at the time. Superman was just Clark Kent. Batman was just Bruce Wayne. Star Wars was just Luke Skywalker. But Star Trek? Depended on which show you were watching!

So yeah, it's interesting to think of a time when Star Trek literally was just Kirk and Spock. Had TNG bombed in 1987, it would have been regarded as that weird oddity that only a few people know about. One of many spin-offs of successful shows that only lasted 13 episodes. But the Star Trek I was getting into in 1994 was four shows and six films. In fact, I didn't actually see any TOS episode until well after I saw the first six films many times. For whatever reason, the local station that aired TOS only did so late at night at 1am. My only way of ever watching it as a kid would be to set up the VCR timer, which I only did one time because my dad wasn't going to do this for every episode. That very first TOS episode I ever saw? "The Enterprise Incident". Imagine only knowing the TOS cast from just the movies, suddenly seeing them in an older show where they were younger? It was wild! I knew it looked like it has a smaller budget than anything that came after, but I didn't care, because I thought it was great to see these characters again in something aside from the six movies I watched over and over.

It's interesting to read from older generations regarding when Trek changed from what they knew to something different. For many baby boomers there's the original show and then there's everything that came after. I guess my breaking point would by 2005. Not because I felt everything since 2009 has been lesser, but I refer back to the top of my first paragraph. For the first 18 years of my life, a Star Trek series was always on air. From elementary school to high school. I became a fan in 1994, and by the 2000s it was so normalized I took it for granted. I didn't watch every episode, and there were times I dropped out of Voyager and Enterprise. But suddenly, in 2005, it no longer was, and I felt the absence. Four years isn't much, but for me at that time it felt like a longer gap because I had never experienced a time when no new Trek was being made. It's probably the closest I could experience what fans felt in the 70s, but that's very apples and oranges admittedly.

*=Or so did I thought!
 
It's all a matter of perspective.
Oh agreed, I was looking at it through my lens of nostalgia. It just colors how I look at the property.

Living through those years was wonderful, but your journey of discovery is just as fun. I had to wait for more. You had more waiting for you.
 
I’m reminded of my dad feeling that newer generations don’t appreciate the landing on the moon the way he did when seeing it live in 1969. I get what he meant, because unlike his generation and before, I grew up knowing the moon landing was something already achieved. It’s a point of view endless generations before mine NEVER could have had. I didn’t have to live in a time wondering what was on the moon. Wondering if anyone could ever reach it. I can imagine how the existence of the moon stirred imaginations, that when the moment finally happened it was almost unbelievable. Within 66 years we went from flying in the air to landing on the moon. That’s such a small fraction of humanity’s existence, it’s no wonder many in the mid 20th century thought we’d already have colonized other planets in the solar system by 2026. Making the monumental achievements we did in such a short time span, who would think otherwise?
 
Naw, Disco Sucks was mostly about the music.
Sure…if one doesn’t actually listen to the music. Was there “bad disco”? Certainly. But there are “bad” versions of every genre of music. Moreover, there is the matter of individual taste. Also totally fine if one doesn’t like a particular genre (I find ska quite difficult to appreciate, for example). But that’s my take, not a general rule.
 

Just a bunch of people trying to make it something it wasn't long after the fact, imo.
"It was really just a rock and roll versus disco thing." Steve Dahl*, in an interview seventeen years earlier than when this PBS doc was produced.
Sometimes, a cigar is just a cigar...

*(Of course, his animosity could be partially attributed to the fact he was fired from the radio station he worked at when it changed formats from rock and roll to disco. Makes me wonder how many fans of that radio station also felt that way. And how many other radio stations did the same thing across the country. Something the doc doesn't cover.)
Sure…if one doesn’t actually listen to the music.
I turned 13 in 1973. You couldn't not hear it somewhere. But my comment was mostly about the reason for the Disco Sucks backlash back in the day. People who were blown away by Eruption were never going to like the tepid synthetic swill that was being offered up as this great thing.
 
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I love Motown, funk, soul, jazz, blues and rock; Ray Charles, Otis Redding, Little Richard, Stevie Wonder, Jimi, Gladys Knight, the Temptations, the Spinners et al, but I hate disco because there were blacks involved. I love Queen, Johnny Mathis, Elton John, and belonged to community theater groups, but I hate disco because there were gays involved.
GTFO.

Is there some disco i like? Sure, I have layers, I have very few broad-brush tastes. But if ever hear The Ritchy Family again I may cry. :lol:

I'm old enough to remember the early 60s when "adults" called rock and roll such racist shit as "jungle music." I never, EVER heard such things said about disco. Just that it was soulles, uncreative sucky crap.
 
Disco was hated in much of America because it was associated with Blacks and gay people, which contributed to the backlash against it. Disco Sucks wasn't just about the music.
I'm reading a History of Rock Reader which essentially confirms this. The most popular disco of the '70s seemed more celebratory than political. Maybe that's why Rolling Stone, Johnny Fever or the other powers-that-be at the time failed to respect it.

I myself can't think of a finer musical piece than Barry White's ''Love Theme.'' I dug it permanently during a Friday morning radio play in the summer. Ally McBeal's got nothing on me.:borg:
 
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