Red Angel Theories- Post Here

[TrickyDickie]

OK, here's my half-baked idea. It won't happen, and I don't think I'd want to it, but...

So we were told that this season would explain why Spock never mentioned Burnham, but narrative rules suggest that two people who begin in a state of estrangement will reconcile by the end of the story, so something's gotta give. Either Burnham gets erased from Spock's mind, or something happens to permanently separate them. Are there other options?

So let's try this: the Discovery crew finds out that not only is someone trying to wipe out life in the galaxy, but that they're from the far future, 1000+ years, and they're trying to change the course of history to prevent the Federation from becoming what it will be. And the Red Angel seems to be trying to stop this. So Discovery will need to hop across 1,000+ years to solve the mystery and thwart the enemy. They're literally in a fight for the future.

How will they get there? They can't use the spore drive--we saw how temporally unreliable that was--but they come up with a way to move just a skeleton crew (Mudd's time crystal?). How will they move the ship? There are two paths to the future: they're taking the short road, but the ship will need to take the long way round.

So they give Discovery some simple automated maintenance and defensive subroutines and hop through time. They rendezvous with the ship to discover that she's sapient now, and calls herself Zora. And they realize that the thing that called them to the future was in fact Discovery herself, who has been sitting, monitoring, charting history, becoming alive. Some kind of downfallen Preserver-equivalent enemy has set out not to save but to end civilization, and they're reaching across history to do it by changing little things a la A Sound of Thunder. And it's bad news: the future, as it stands, is a place where things fall apart for the Federation, now the backwards-looking, self-obsessed V'Draysh. But Zora knows what needs to happen: send one of them back, using advanced future tech, to intervene in a few critical events, the proverbial butterfly effect. And someone, maybe Burnham, is sent through time at Zora's behest, fixing the timeline and thwarting the enemy in the guise of the Red Angel.

In some kind of suitably epic showdown, everything the anti-Preservers have been up to is prevented, and a future where the Federation survives is maintained. But for whatever reason they can't all make it home, and Burnham and most of our cast (save Pike and Spock) are stranded 1000+ years in the future, with a sentient ship and a brave new world.

But there's one last butterfly effect act that needs to be carried out to pave the way for the world that will be. The season ends with Christopher Pike returning to New Eden to welcome Jacob and his people into the Federation.

OK, time to go to bed.

(I don't really think this will happen. And I'd rather Disco stay in its century. But I'd love for Calypso to be relevant to what happens!)

Well, that's certainly interesting and ties in the Short Trek episode.

I just watched the movie A Sound of Thunder for the first time a couple of weeks back, as I noted in the thread in MISC, before I was even aware of the similar title of the DSC episode. Weird....

 

[captainkirk]

So people have spotted the continuity error between The Brightest Star and The Sound of Thunder where Georgiou's shuttle changes registry. Now the obvious explanation is that when they shot this episode they hadn't realized that TBS had established that the shuttle was from the Shenzhou. But if you think about it, these two stories would have been shot at roughly the same time. They even have the same writers. Could a mistake like that have actually been made? What if instead, this is a subtle hint at changes in the timeline leading to the big reveal that the angel is Spock, or Michael, or someone else traveling back in time to right wrongs?

 

[TrickyDickie]

The Red Angel is a time-traveling Nirvana album cover. It's message which has yet to be decoded and translated is: "Come as you are."

Gotta be the vinyl, baby. Now imagine this sailing through space like the champagne bottle in GEN or General Zod and cohorts:

 

[JirinPanthosa]

Xenogears crossover? Anyone seen Fei lately?

 

[drt]

So people have spotted the continuity error between The Brightest Star and The Sound of Thunder where Georgiou's shuttle changes registry. Now the obvious explanation is that when they shot this episode they hadn't realized that TBS had established that the shuttle was from the Shenzhou. But if you think about it, these two stories would have been shot at roughly the same time. They even have the same writers. Could a mistake like that have actually been made? What if instead, this is a subtle hint at changes in the timeline leading to the big reveal that the angel is Spock, or Michael, or someone else traveling back in time to right wrongs?

According to Doug Jones, they were indeed filmed at the same time, however, the effects for "Brightest Star" were presumably done much earlier so i could see the mistake happening.

 

[captainkirk]

According to Doug Jones, they were indeed filmed at the same time, however, the effects for "Brightest Star" were presumably done much earlier so i could see the mistake happening.

Mistakes like that do happen. But what kind of Star Trek fan would I be if I didn't look for the significance in minor details like that?

 

[XCV330]

I admit, I am still completely stumped on the Red Angel identity. I think its probably going to be someone new.

 

[Krandor]

Going to be Lorca. He didn't really die in the mirror universe but it split him into multiple pieces scattered arross the multiverse or some crazy technobabble like that

 

[SpocksOddSocks]

It's a remnant of Kirk breaking out of the Nexus. Guinan might have been able to do the same herself, but she respected the rules...

 

[cooleddie74]

Mistakes like that do happen. But what kind of Star Trek fan would I be if I didn't look for the significance in minor details like that?

The U.S.S. Yamato is said to have the registry NCC-1705-E(?) in one episode of TNG but when finally shown has a proper late 24th century registry number that falls within the 70000-72000 range for Galaxy-class starships. Continutiy errors and retcons happen in the franchise and it's best to ignore some of them unless the producers take the changes and explain them onscreen.

 

[captainkirk]

I admit, I am still completely stumped on the Red Angel identity. I think its probably going to be someone new.

Well, they've now revealed it's someone in a mechanical suit and possibly a time-traveler. Dramatically, the fact that they're also hiding its face means it's almost certainly someone we've seen before and could be anyone from any time period.

The U.S.S. Yamato is said to have the registry NCC-1705-E(?) in one episode of TNG but when finally shown has a proper late 24th century registry number that falls within the 70000-72000 range for Galaxy-class starships. Continutiy errors and retcons happen in the franchise and it's best to ignore some of them unless the producers take the changes and explain them onscreen.

There was of course also the Melbourne which was initially a Nebula-class and then became an Excelsior-class. It is most likely it was simply an error like those, but there's no harm in a little rampant speculation.

 

[cooleddie74]

Oh, sure. And for all we know it may be a sign that the producers are intending to fiddle with the timeline a little, but in all likelihood the left hand didn't know what the right was doing and by the time the effects were completed the error had been made. Sometimes we have to come up with in-universe rationalizations to make the glaring errors more tolerable to swallow and some work while others just don't and it's best to ignore them.

78 Decks, anyone?

 

[Agony_Boothb]

So the Red Angel is a time traveller and saved Burnham when she was a child. What if the reason Spock never mentioned Burnham was because she died as a child and he never had a chance to know her. Perhaps some disaster happens in the far future beyond that depicted in previous series which can only be prevented in the past by Burnham surviving into adulthood. Maybe the Kelpiens fully maturing is necessary to preventing the future disaster?

 

[matthunter]

So the Red Angel is a time traveller and saved Burnham when she was a child. What if the reason Spock never mentioned Burnham was because she died as a child and he never had a chance to know her. Perhaps some disaster happens in the far future beyond that depicted in previous series which can only be prevented in the past by Burnham surviving into adulthood. Maybe the Kelpiens fully maturing is necessary to preventing the future disaster?

It didn't save Burnham, unless there's more than we've been told - she'd just run off and made it to a spaceport. The Angel told Spock where to find her but there's no evidence her life was in danger (or indeed, that she wouldn't have been found by the spaceport authorities and returned in due course had Spock not found her first...)

 

[Infern0]

Honestly even though they said it was someone in a suit that design definitely looked iconian to me so I'm still going with that.

Long shot outside bet, it's Jean luc picard

 

[Unimatrix Q]

Based on "Calypso" and "The Sounds of Thunder", the red angel could be either a Federation/Starfleet/V'Draysh member from the 33rd century or simple someone using their technology. Maybe Burnham?

 

[OldWatcher]

Talosians. I think this ties in with the story line in the original series episode of 'The Menagerie'. I think we are seeing what led up to the planet Talos IV being put under a 'no contact' Starfleet order.

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

This is now my Maine theory.

 

[TrekGalaxy]

This video discusses the possibility that the Red Angel is actually Michael Burnham from the future.

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[Elephant999]

I think it’s Deanna Troi come back in t8me as she’s “sensing” somebody needs assistance.