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Reading Marathon: Kelvin Timeline Comics (and Novels)

In part one, Zahra is a dark-ish skinned woman with black hair. (On screen, the actress who played her was African, though she doesn't read that way to me here; compare her with her fellow security guard Edwards, who definitely is black.) In part two, Zahra transforms into a fair-skinned woman with blonde hair... and also acquires the weird hairdo Rand had in The Galileo Seven.
I don't think I've ever seen an explanation for why they went from Zahra just being TOS-Zahra ported over directly (same as other characters not recast for the movies, like Gary Mitchell) to making her the blonde bridge officer from STID. I suppose there might've been a likeness-rights issue with Maurishka, so they "recast" her with a background character who had a distinctive enough look they'd want to use her anyway.
 
Okay, let's give this a try again!

Operation: Annihilate, from Star Trek vol. 1 #5-6 (Jan.-Feb. 2012), reprinted in Star Trek, Volume 2 (2013)
written by Mike Johnson, art by Joe Corroney, colors by John Rauch, letters by Neil Uyetake, creative consultant: Roberto Orci

I think my favorite part of this retelling of "Operation -- Annihilate!" (why did you take out the exclamation point, Mike Johnson, you coward) is that when Sam Kirk turns up he is "played" by Chris Pine, just like how in the original episode, he was played by William Shatner. Only here, in a nice twist, he is alive. Other than that, this is fine; we get a couple flashbacks to the Kirks' childhood, but I don't think this story is very much of an interesting variant on the original. I sort of miss the flying pancakes.

This is the only one of their "episode remake" stories that made any sense to me. As I mentioned earlier in the thread, I couldn't buy that the events of "Where No Man..." or "The Galileo Seven" could have occurred so similarly 8-9 years earlier in an alternate timeline, but the events of the "Annihilate" comic are different enough from the original that I can believe it. I just figure that the parasites came directly to Deneva from Theta Cygni XII, bypassing Ingraham B, and thus arrived years sooner. And they could've been a different subspecies, explaining their different appearance and behavior.
 
Mirrored, from Star Trek vol. 1 #15-16 (Nov.-Dec. 2012), reprinted in Star Trek: The New Voyages, Volume 2 (2017)
written by Mike Johnson, art by Erfan Fajar, additional art by Hendri Prasetyo and Miralti Firmansyah, colors by Infansyah and Sakti Tuwono, letters by Neil Uyetake, creative consultant: Roberto Orci

I don't know why Jerome Bixby gets a credit for "Mirror, Mirror" on this because it's no more an adaptation of "Mirror, Mirror" than, say, "In a Mirror, Darkly" is—it's a self-contained story set entirely in the mirror universe. Well, there is a frame sequence; what I mean is there is no crossover between the two universes. In the frame, a confused Doctor McCoy asks Scotty to explain parallel universes to him, and then we move over in the parallel universe. I typically don't like self-contained mirror universe stories; everyone in the mirror universe is kind of dumb, and you can get interesting things out of that if its inhabitants interact with familiar characters, but watching them all be mean to each other gets boring fast; I also had this issue with most of Simon & Schuster's Mirror Universe novels and anthologies. This one is kind of a retelling of the 2009 movie in the mirror universe, except that the Spock and Nero who travel back are still from the Prime timeline. It's actually very "Mirror, Darkly" derived, down to the ending with an underestimated female character gaining all the power of a new superior starship. They should have given Mike Sussman and Manny Coto the credit!

The story is brought down by some sloppy artwork. In particular, the artists consistently draw the Prime timeline Enterprise refit! We see this on the story's opening and closing establishing shots for the Kelvin timeline Enterprise, but they also use it as the basis for a couple images of the mirror Kelvin timeline Enterprise as well. (In one of them, the mirror Enterprise is for some reason labelled "NCC-1701-D"!) There is one shot where it's clearly not the TMP refit... but it also doesn't look like the Kelvin-timeline Enterprise either, like they just went on vibes. I tried to explain to my wife why this bugged me, and she told me all the Enteprises look the same. This is an acceptable if disappointing attitude to have in one's spouse...* but a pretty bad attitude to have if you have been hired to illustrate a Star Trek comic. Was the editor even looking at the pages? The ship shots are clearly all Photoshop; how long would it have taken to e-mail the artists and say, "please Google Image search 'j j abrams enterprise' and slap a filter on it"? Also on p. 3 of part one, the likeness of James Doohan's Scotty in one panel is so bad that I spent some time wondering why there was a shot of Chief O'Brien in a redshirt with black hair.

I read issues #15 and 16 here between issues #6 and 7 because whatever timeline(s) I consulted to make my timeline said this is where they went. It was so long ago, I don't know what the logic was, if one was even given. Stardate?

* Maybe if she didn't have it, she would understand why we need to have so many Eaglemoss ships in this house.
 
It’s been a minute, but I believe the oddball Enterprise you mention was traced fan-art. I'm not sure where my copy has gotten off to so I can check, but it's probably Gabe Koener's mid-2000s reimagining.

I know tracing is endemic in comic-art, but as a ship guy (and, more importantly, a ship fan-art guy) it bothers me that artists are just googling up stuff and not putting together what goes with what, especially when they end up using fan work, either mistakenly for an established design, or more egregiously, for a new design that's supposed to be original. Even the laziest alternative is better than that (have you gotten to the story with the alien spaceships that are weird kitbashes of the remake Battlestar Galactica and the Stargate from Stargate? Sci-Fi Friday must've been on in the background or something).
 
It’s been a minute, but I believe the oddball Enterprise you mention was traced fan-art. I'm not sure where my copy has gotten off to so I can check, but it's probably Gabe Koener's mid-2000s reimagining.
No, it's got these weird curvy nacelles and jagged pylons. I don't know if this is an existing fan design, or just an attempt to disguise what they did trace. Here's a quick scan: https://photos.app.goo.gl/u1zP2YBqEAJRPPm89

I know tracing is endemic in comic-art, but as a ship guy (and, more importantly, a ship fan-art guy) it bothers me that artists are just googling up stuff and not putting together what goes with what, especially when they end up using fan work, either mistakenly for an established design, or more egregiously, for a new design that's supposed to be original. Even the laziest alternative is better than that (have you gotten to the story with the alien spaceships that are weird kitbashes of the remake Battlestar Galactica and the Stargate from Stargate? Sci-Fi Friday must've been on in the background or something).
I don't remember those ones, but we'll see! I have friends from high school who do stormtrooper and Mandalorian cosplay, and some of their original designs have been traced by artists and incorporated into official publications.
 
It’s been a minute, but I believe the oddball Enterprise you mention was traced fan-art. I'm not sure where my copy has gotten off to so I can check, but it's probably Gabe Koener's mid-2000s reimagining.

I know tracing is endemic in comic-art, but as a ship guy (and, more importantly, a ship fan-art guy) it bothers me that artists are just googling up stuff and not putting together what goes with what, especially when they end up using fan work, either mistakenly for an established design, or more egregiously, for a new design that's supposed to be original. Even the laziest alternative is better than that (have you gotten to the story with the alien spaceships that are weird kitbashes of the remake Battlestar Galactica and the Stargate from Stargate? Sci-Fi Friday must've been on in the background or something).
Would fan artists have any kind or rights or ownership over their fan art? Or would the fact that it's fan art cancel out all of that? I'm just wondering if using a fan artists work without their permission could have potentially opened them up to a lawsuit.
 
Would fan artists have any kind or rights or ownership over their fan art? Or would the fact that it's fan art cancel out all of that? I'm just wondering if using a fan artists work without their permission could have potentially opened them up to a lawsuit.
Potentially, yes, but practically, no. It's the same reasoning as the "no story ideas" rule here, but in practice, it's very difficult for the smaller party to do anything about it. In the abstract, though, the fan-artist does have a copyright over their work (even if it's inspired by and faithful to a pre-existing copyrighted element). The fact that it's derivative of an existing work makes monetizing or distributing fan-art legally complex for the fan (though it's a little easier for visual art of starships than it is for fan-fic, since object designs don't have the same kind of intellectual property protections as recorded narrative, but you'd have to be careful to avoid trademarked terms and logos when selling it), but under U.S. law, any creative work is protected by copyright by the act of creating it in a fixed, duplicable form, so the owners of the source work can't just hoover up any derivative works and sell them on their own. Both parties have ownership over the derivative work, so neither can do anything with it without the others' involvement.

At least, that's the theory. In practice, the cost of retaining a lawyer and beginning a proceeding against the IP owner, and the publisher, and the artist, all of whom have much more legal ability, makes seeking a remedy pretty much impossible, and no one on the ownership scale really cares one way or the other. It's why I've shifted my annoyance with the practice over to the artist who is being paid to draw something and instead rips something off from Google. It puts the fan-artist and the IP owner on the same side; they're both being ill-used.

Now that I see it again, I remember that weird hooked Enterprise (reminds me of a lobster), but I don't remember there being a source for it. I agree that the divot at the top of the warp pylons has a little bit of Phase II energy, but other than that, I don't have a clue.
 
It's the same reasoning as the "no story ideas" rule here

I don't think it is. That's to protect professional creators against the risk of nuisance lawsuits. Since different people come up with similar ideas all the time, there's always a risk that someone might think you stole their idea because you did something broadly similar to it, even if you actually came up with it independently. Creators and studios can lose a lot of money fighting such nuisance lawsuits even when they have no merit, so as a rule, we have to avoid hearing any ideas from fans so that we aren't exposed to the risk. There have been times when an author has actually had to cancel their own original work in progress because they happened to hear a coincidentally similar suggestion from a fan. The publisher wouldn't have considered it worth the risk of exposing themselves to a potential lawsuit, even a frivolous one.

What you're talking about here is a scenario where a professional creator actually does use something created by a fan, and you're claiming that it would be hard for the fan creator to sue. That's basically the exact opposite of the reasoning behind the "no story ideas" rule, which is that it's dangerously easy to get sued for stealing someone's ideas even if you didn't.
 
I meant legally speaking, the same theory that allows someone with no ownership of or license to Star Trek to make a legal claim on a published Star Trek story if it was (allegedly) stolen would also allow them to make a claim if their fan-art was used. I was contrasting the common (false) perspective that fanwork is somehow intrinsically legally illegitimate and has no intellectual property protections because it’s derivative of an existing copyrighted work.

If fanwork actually wasn’t entitled to any legal protection and IP owners could make use of it as they pleased (as many assume), then there wouldn’t be any need for the “no story ideas” rule.
 
I meant legally speaking, the same theory that allows someone with no ownership of or license to Star Trek to make a legal claim on a published Star Trek story if it was (allegedly) stolen would also allow them to make a claim if their fan-art was used.

Not really, because it's not about Star Trek. All writers and publishers have to worry about nuisance plagiarism lawsuits. It's not about amateurs using copyrighted professional work, it's about professionals being falsely accused of stealing ideas originating with amateurs. The author I mentioned who had to throw out a novel in progress because someone posted a similar idea on their site was not a Star Trek author. I think it was C.J. Cherryh, though I'm not sure.

And there's no "theory" involved. Anyone can file a plagiarism lawsuit and claim an author stole their idea, even if it has no merit. Real plagiarism cases are rare, because most professional authors aren't stupid enough to try it, but junk plagiarism suits are common and cumulatively expensive for publishers, whether because the people bringing the suits don't understand the concept of coincidence or because they're suing in bad faith in hopes of making a buck. It's not about whether there's a valid legal theory behind the suits, because there usually isn't. But it still costs a lot of money to fight them off, and that's what publishers and authors want to avoid. The reason it's a terrible analogy for what you're talking about is that we don't want to take other people's ideas, which is why the board was kind enough to institute a rule against posting story ideas in the Trek Lit forum frequented by authors -- although that's really in the board's interest too, because if that rule weren't there, we'd have to avoid this forum, and the participation of pro authors and editors in the forum is one of its major draws.


I was contrasting the common (false) perspective that fanwork is somehow intrinsically legally illegitimate and has no intellectual property protections because it’s derivative of an existing copyrighted work.

I really don't see what that has to do with a policy meant to protect authors from exposure to the risk of unfounded plagiarism lawsuits. After all, a work is only copyrighted if it's actually created and published in some way. Posting a suggested story premise on a BBS doesn't count. So what you're talking about is a different matter entirely. You're comparing apples and oranges.
 
Anyone can file a plagiarism lawsuit and claim an author stole their idea, even if it has no merit.
No, they can't, because plagiarism is, in the most literal sense, not a crime. There cannot be a lawsuit alleging a civil or criminal violation of plagiarism, anymore than there can be a lawsuit alleging you wrongfully looked at the moon. The lawsuits you're talking about are accusations of copyright infringement. You can call it plagiarism colloquially, but the legal mechanism at work is copyright (or patent, or trademark).
The reason it's a terrible analogy for what you're talking about is that we don't want to take other people's ideas, which is why the board was kind enough to institute a rule against posting story ideas in the Trek Lit forum frequented by authors -- although that's really in the board's interest too, because if that rule weren't there, we'd have to avoid this forum, and the participation of pro authors and editors in the forum is one of its major draws.
I imagine most of the artists I'm talking about aren't twirling their mustaches at defrauding IDW by passing off bootleg starship pictures as their own work with the help of Google Image Search, but just have a poor understanding of copyright, trademark, and the legal/ethical importance of the provenance of their reference material. Illustrators are just a bunch of cowboys living by the seat of their pants, or sometimes really lazy. Clearly, no one has yet put the fear of God into them with regard to intellectual property, unlike novelists and screenwriters.
I really don't see what that has to do with a policy meant to protect authors from exposure to the risk of unfounded plagiarism lawsuits. After all, a work is only copyrighted if it's actually created and published in some way. Posting a suggested story premise on a BBS doesn't count. So what you're talking about is a different matter entirely. You're comparing apples and oranges.
As I said earlier, under U.S. law, neither publication or registration is required for a work to be protected by copyright, it's legally an innate property of any work of creative expression done in a fixed, duplicatable form. Napkin doodles have a copyright. A note with a little poem telling your spouse you had to leave for work early has a copyright. The posts you make on this board absolutely have a copyright, and posting them is a form of publication; if someone collected all your posts and put them into a print-on-demand book on Amazon, that would be an infringement on your copyright, and you could sue them for that (but not for plagiarism, because that's not an issue the law deals with). We've even made a tiny little publishing agreement with the board when we registered, it's right down at the bottom of every page for reference, under "Terms and Rules:"

You are granting us with a non-exclusive, permanent, irrevocable, unlimited license to use, publish, or re-publish your Content in connection with the Service. You retain copyright over the Content.
If someone posts "Let's have an episode where Kirk and McCoy have a magic picnic like Alice in Wonderland," and then you write "Shore Leave," and they sue you, their lawsuit is literally that you infringed on their copyright for the exact series of words, "Let's have an episode where Kirk and McCoy have a magic picnic like Alice in Wonderland." It doesn't matter if one is a sentence and one is an episode, any more than sheer length would make it not copyright infringement if I published fifty novels based on Firefly that added up to a hundred times the content of the TV show. "Plagiarism," "premise," "story ideas," those are all informal terms to make the concepts clearer without getting into the exact mechanical workings of why some things are legal and some things are crimes (or civil violations).

The upshot, once again, is that the same legal framework that allows someone (rightly or wrongly) to sue over copyright infringement if a story similar to something they posted where the author could've seen it is published should allow someone whose fan art was traced in a comic to sue over copyright infringement, but as far as I know, there has yet to have been a high-profile case setting that example publicly. There have been several low-profile cases which were handled informally that I know about, usually with the removal of the infringing artwork from or the addition of a credit in future editions, or just went nowhere, but nothing that created as much pain as cancelling a novel or script that was in production (so, nothing that would make artists wary of being accused of infringement the way writers are).

It's ironic, because there's actually much less ambiguity when fan-art is used in official products. Two different people can plausibly both independently have the idea for the premise "Kirk and McCoy have a magic picnic," but it's a lot more of a stretch to argue that two people can independently create the same exact picture of the U.S.S. Enterprise, from the exact same angle, the highlights and shadows in the exact same spots, the weathering and paneling in the exact same patterns, and so on. Never mind when the infringing official production uses an image of a fan-made design that isn't closely modeled on something from the original property, like old pictures of Koener's Enterprise popping up in official contexts.
 
The reason it's a terrible analogy for what you're talking about is that we don't want to take other people's ideas, which is why the board was kind enough to institute a rule against posting story ideas in the Trek Lit forum frequented by authors -- although that's really in the board's interest too, because if that rule weren't there, we'd have to avoid this forum, and the participation of pro authors and editors in the forum is one of its major draws.

One thing I've been kind of curious about... as you note, this rule only exists in this forum; in any other forum, there's no restriction on people posting story ideas if they wish. And yet I know that at least some of the authors visit and post in other forums, too. How do the authors navigate that?
 
No, they can't, because plagiarism is, in the most literal sense, not a crime. There cannot be a lawsuit alleging a civil or criminal violation of plagiarism, anymore than there can be a lawsuit alleging you wrongfully looked at the moon. The lawsuits you're talking about are accusations of copyright infringement. You can call it plagiarism colloquially, but the legal mechanism at work is copyright (or patent, or trademark).

Hairsplitting and missing the point, which is that it's not the same thing as the issue you're talking about. The rule was NOT, NOT, NOT established because authors were actually taking ideas, but because we have to avoid even the appearance that we might have done so.


I imagine most of the artists I'm talking about aren't twirling their mustaches at defrauding IDW by passing off bootleg starship pictures as their own work with the help of Google Image Search, but just have a poor understanding of copyright, trademark, and the legal/ethical importance of the provenance of their reference material. Illustrators are just a bunch of cowboys living by the seat of their pants, or sometimes really lazy. Clearly, no one has yet put the fear of God into them with regard to intellectual property, unlike novelists and screenwriters.

You are still implying that authors have actually stolen ideas and needed to be put in their place, which is wrong and insulting. The reason the rule was made necessary was because of false lawsuits, because of authors being accused of taking ideas merely because they did something coincidentally similar. It wasn't the authors who didn't understand the laws, it was the people filing the nuisance lawsuits because they didn't understand that similar ideas happen by coincidence all the time, or because they were suing in bad faith in hopes of a big payday. That's why we can't afford the risk of being exposed to any fan ideas -- not just copyrighted works or completed fanfic, but even just general suggestions about possible plots. Publishers won't risk publishing our work if there's a chance they could get sued and have to pay for a legal defense, even if there's no merit to the suit. It's cheaper for them just to cancel the project. That's what we're trying to avoid.


One thing I've been kind of curious about... as you note, this rule only exists in this forum; in any other forum, there's no restriction on people posting story ideas if they wish. And yet I know that at least some of the authors visit and post in other forums, too. How do the authors navigate that?

Mainly, by never reading the Fan Fiction forum. Also, I suppose that if any of my original fiction series were popular enough that people were starting threads in Science Fiction & Fantasy to discuss them, I might have to avoid reading them lest someone propose a story idea about my characters or settings.

After all, a "story idea" has to have some specifics to be potentially actionable. There are only so many plots that exist, so just saying "I want a murder mystery where the butler did it" isn't specific enough; it would have to be about the specific world or characters that a writer works with, or else have other sufficiently non-generic plot elements. So for Trek writers on The Trek BBS, the main risk is being exposed to Trek story ideas, hence we avoid the fan fiction/art forums. And the board moderators direct members to limit their discussion of story ideas to the fanfic forum, with the understanding that pro writers will avoid it.
 
I don't see how you get to @David cgc accusing anyone of anything. All he was trying to say was that fan creators automatically have copyright to their derivative works-- which is what makes "nuisance" lawsuits over story ideas possible and means technically a fan artist has been wronged if their image is used in an official publication.
 
I don't see how you get to @David cgc accusing anyone of anything. All he was trying to say was that fan creators automatically have copyright to their derivative works-- which is what makes "nuisance" lawsuits over story ideas possible and means technically a fan artist has been wronged if their image is used in an official publication.
That was much faster than how I was going to put it, but, yes, that's correct. My point was that the common presumption that since fan-works are themselves a form of copyright infringement* they don't have any legal protections are wrong, but you don't have to take my word for it, we've got a well-known rule based on the premise that fan-works have legal protections right here in this forum.

I was going to go round and round with stuff about how "the sign saying 'bags may be searched' in a store isn't accusing you, personally, of stealing" and, actually, professional published authors have committed copyright infringement and they aren't so morally pure as to be above suspicion, and laws aren't generally made to give lawyers something to do (RIP MLB) and give scammers grounds to make false accusations against the good and the great, but I probably didn't have the time to do it, anyway, even if it would've been fun.

*It gets weird with visual and sculptural arts, I genuinely don't know if a newly-drawn picture of the starship Enterprise actually is technically intellectual property infringement in a vacuum. Maybe only if the delta shield markings are visible, that could be a trademark violation?
 
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I don't see how you get to @David cgc accusing anyone of anything. All he was trying to say was that fan creators automatically have copyright to their derivative works-- which is what makes "nuisance" lawsuits over story ideas possible and means technically a fan artist has been wronged if their image is used in an official publication.

I don't object to him saying that. It is simply incorrect for him to claim that that is the reason for the "no story ideas" rule in this forum. He's confusing two separate things and postulating an incorrect analogy.
 
Vulcan's Vengeance, from Star Trek vol. 1 #7-8 (Mar.-Apr. 2012), reprinted in Star Trek, Volume 2 (2013)
written by Mike Johnson, art by Joe Phillips, colors by John Rauch, letters by Neil Uyetake, creative consultant: Roberto Orci

This story reads weirdly in chronological order, in that parts of it read like a repeat of Legacy of Spock. But Legacy of Spock was published much later, so it's not Vulcan's Vengeance that's the repetitive one in actuality. But it's all about Romulans stealing red matter and Vulcans doing dumb shit, just like Legacy of Spock. And, like that story, I found the politics and character motivations kind of glib and unconvincing. So, good on Mike Johnson for finally writing an original story I guess... but maybe let's do a good one next time? I think this story answers my question of how the Romulans ended up with leftover red matter back in Legacy of Spock, except that story clearly takes place earlier. Oops?

Zahra is in part two. She has dark hair again, but her skin is no darker than Kirk's or McCoy's when they appear in the same panel. I think she also appears in part one; her name isn't used in that part, but she looks pretty much the same... except that John Rauch does color her as dark-skinned in that issue if it is her. I found Joe Phillips's pencils kind of off throughout; his likeness are close enough that you know what he's going for, but often a bit off in a way that distracts.
 
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