My own reading Marathon, Fall through Coda

[hbquikcomjamesl]

that bit of sheer nonsense

Don't mince words; tell us what you really think.

Remember: the whole Back To the Future franchise is partially fueled by "Rule of Funny," partially by "Rule of Cool," and partially by "Rule of Awesome." It doesn't have to make sense.

 

[NStephenH]

I now have $145 of books from this store, most of which are star trek but there's two Babylon 5 books by Peter david that were $10 each, and some dragonriders of pern books. The trek books were $2-3 dollars each. I'll post a detailed haul when I return to Wisconsin. My work group decided we're going to drive back tomorrow instead of waiting for our 6pm flight.

Was this ever resolved? I remember it being set up here, and coming up in several of the TNG books after it, but I can't remember if we ever got any kind of resolution for it. I've read all of the TNG & Titan books up to Coda, so feel free to provied a spoiler coded answer.

No spoilers in this thread yet please, till I get there. I did see it come up a few times when I searched "arrow" in stevil's thread, but nothing conclusive, so I remain unspoiled.

 

[JD]

OK sorry, I thought as long they coded it it would be OK.

 

[ryan123450]

I’ve been wondering the same question. Hopefully spoiler coding it would be ok?

 

[Christopher]

Don't mince words; tell us what you really think.

What I really think is that most fictional portrayals of time travel are sheer nonsense.

Remember: the whole Back To the Future franchise is partially fueled by "Rule of Funny," partially by "Rule of Cool," and partially by "Rule of Awesome." It doesn't have to make sense.

Yeah, but too many writers and viewers have come to think of it as the default for how time travel is "supposed" to work, to the point that Avengers: Endgame had to specifically explain to the audience that their (relatively plausible) time travel didn't work like BTTF.

 

[NStephenH]

OK sorry, I thought as long they coded it it would be OK.

Oh yeah you mean with the spoiler tag yeah that's fine I didn't quite understand.

 

[NStephenH]

I see both of the Diane Carey "Captain April and Geordie Kirk" novels (Final Frontier and Best Destiny); they're worthwhile.

If there's any Diane Duane whatsoever that you don't have, grab it.

I have returned and accounted for what I got:

Two captain’s table books:​	Where Sea Meets Sky​
​	The Captain's Table: War Dragons​
Diane Carey "Captain April and Geordie Kirk"​	Final Frontier​
​	Best Destiny​
​	​
​	Prime Directive​
any Diane Duane whatsoever:​	The Wounded Sky​
​	My Enemy, My Ally​
​	Spock's World​
​	​
​	The Empty Chair​
Another “because it was recommended”:​	Strangers from the Sky​
And because this said Romulan, I picked it up:​	The Romulan Way​
Some old Original Series Books:​	Spock Must Die!​
​	Spock, Messiah!​
​	​
Two lost era books, one recommended, one because it was there:​	Serpents Among the Ruins​
​	Deny Thy Father​
A Peter david book, strike zone.​	​
​	The Badlands, Part II​
A double helix book, which maybe I wouldn’t have picked up except for being confused by the two Dianes: I’ve read it in the past and thought it was OK though.​	Red Sector​
​	Klingon​
Animated series log 1-9.​	​
​	​
The badlands books​	​
The two non-adaptation dominion war books:​	Behind Enemy Lines​
​	Tunnel Through The Stars​
Two day of honor books:​	Ancient Blood​
​	Her Klingon Soul​
​	​
The immortal coil because it’s been recommended, and I’ve read it’s follow-ups​	​
​	​
Gemworld 1 and 2 because they seem to get referenced a lot.​	​
​	​
​	​
a new frontier novel I was missing:​	Dark Allies​
2 of 3 string theory books:​	Fusion​
​	Evolution​
​	​
the first two dark matters books, given I previously had the 3rd:​	Cloak And Dagger​
​	Ghost Dance​
The complete “A time to”​	A Time to Be Born​
​	A Time to Die​
​	A Time to Sow​
​	A Time to Harvest​
​	A Time to Love​
​	A Time to Hate​
​	A Time to Kill​
​	A Time to Heal​
​	A Time for War, A Time for Peace​
And a post-nemesis book I’ve already read:​	Resistance​

Then 3 voyager comics: Elite Force, Avalon rising, and False colors, the TNG-DS9 crossover comic from dc/malibu, and the trial of James T Kirk Comics.

I also grabbed the first two Peter David Bablyon 5 Peter David Legions of Fire books, which I've heard are good, and were also $10 instead of 2-3. My wife is a Babylon 5 fan and we've started the series together, but I've yet to finish it.
I also got 5 Anne McCaffrey novels for her: Decision at Doona, Crisis on Doona, The Dolphins of Pern, Dragonseye, and Dragonsdawn. She did already have some Pern and I confirmed she didn't have these.
And finally, because this was a comic shop and I saw it, Avatar: The Last Airbender: The search, which I remember enjoying quite a lot, and didn't have in paper. That was the most expensive thing, at $20. Besides the two Babylon 5 books, the paperbacks averaged $2.25 and I got over 50 of them.

This was at "Bell, Book & Comic" in Dayton Ohio.

 

[Avro Arrow]

^ I hadn't noticed The Wounded Sky in the original photo, otherwise I would have absolutely recommended it too! And My Enemy, My Ally and The Romulan Way are also great!

IIRC, Deny Thy Father was the only Lost Era novel that I actively disliked, but hopefully you have a better experience with it than I did!

Congratulations on the haul, and happy reading! (And happy watching, too, from another B5 fan )

 

[Smiley]

Book 3 of Legions of Fire is usually very high priced on the secondary market. Looking this morning, $40-50 was the usual range. You may want to have some kind of saved search going on to get it at a price you are comfortable with.

 

[Christopher]

Book 3 of Legions of Fire is usually very high priced on the secondary market. Looking this morning, $40-50 was the usual range. You may want to have some kind of saved search going on to get it at a price you are comfortable with.

Whoa. I'm lucky I still have my original copies of the B5 novels.

 

[hbquikcomjamesl]

The three DD novels you scored are true masterpieces.

And while DC's hard-libertarian politics are pretty much unavoidable in her books, they are at least fairly unobtrusive in the "Captain April and Geordie Kirk" books. Note, though, that her vision of Robert April basically fleshes out the TAS April, and is completely incompatible with the SNW version. (On the other hand, I don't see any irreconcilable differences between her vision of George Samuel Kirk the Elder, and the pre-Narada-incursion Kirk from ST'09.

 

[Christopher]

(On the other hand, I don't see any irreconcilable differences between her vision of George Samuel Kirk the Elder, and the pre-Narada-incursion Kirk from ST'09.

Well, Carey's George has bright red hair, and he starts out Final Frontier as a security chief, IIRC, rather than a first officer as he was on the Kelvin. I suppose that could be glossed over, but it's harder to gloss over Carey's use of the Spaceflight Chronology timeline which put the events of TOS 60 years earlier, so that FF's Jim Kirk is turning ten in 2183.

 

[Stevil2001]

I have returned and accounted for what I got:

Two captain’s table books:​	Where Sea Meets Sky​
​	The Captain's Table: War Dragons​
Diane Carey "Captain April and Geordie Kirk"​	Final Frontier​
​	Best Destiny​
​	​
​	Prime Directive​
any Diane Duane whatsoever:​	The Wounded Sky​
​	My Enemy, My Ally​
​	Spock's World​
​	​
​	The Empty Chair​
Another “because it was recommended”:​	Strangers from the Sky​
And because this said Romulan, I picked it up:​	The Romulan Way​
Some old Original Series Books:​	Spock Must Die!​
​	Spock, Messiah!​
​	​
Two lost era books, one recommended, one because it was there:​	Serpents Among the Ruins​
​	Deny Thy Father​
A Peter david book, strike zone.​	​
​	The Badlands, Part II​
A double helix book, which maybe I wouldn’t have picked up except for being confused by the two Dianes: I’ve read it in the past and thought it was OK though.​	Red Sector​
​	Klingon​
Animated series log 1-9.​	​
​	​
The badlands books​	​
The two non-adaptation dominion war books:​	Behind Enemy Lines​
​	Tunnel Through The Stars​
Two day of honor books:​	Ancient Blood​
​	Her Klingon Soul​
​	​
The immortal coil because it’s been recommended, and I’ve read it’s follow-ups​	​
​	​
Gemworld 1 and 2 because they seem to get referenced a lot.​	​
​	​
​	​
a new frontier novel I was missing:​	Dark Allies​
2 of 3 string theory books:​	Fusion​
​	Evolution​
​	​
the first two dark matters books, given I previously had the 3rd:​	Cloak And Dagger​
​	Ghost Dance​
The complete “A time to”​	A Time to Be Born​
​	A Time to Die​
​	A Time to Sow​
​	A Time to Harvest​
​	A Time to Love​
​	A Time to Hate​
​	A Time to Kill​
​	A Time to Heal​
​	A Time for War, A Time for Peace​
And a post-nemesis book I’ve already read:​	Resistance​

Then 3 voyager comics: Elite Force, Avalon rising, and False colors, the TNG-DS9 crossover comic from dc/malibu, and the trial of James T Kirk Comics.

I also grabbed the first two Peter David Bablyon 5 Peter David Legions of Fire books, which I've heard are good, and were also $10 instead of 2-3. My wife is a Babylon 5 fan and we've started the series together, but I've yet to finish it.
I also got 5 Anne McCaffrey novels for her: Decision at Doona, Crisis on Doona, The Dolphins of Pern, Dragonseye, and Dragonsdawn. She did already have some Pern and I confirmed she didn't have these.
And finally, because this was a comic shop and I saw it, Avatar: The Last Airbender: The search, which I remember enjoying quite a lot, and didn't have in paper. That was the most expensive thing, at $20. Besides the two Babylon 5 books, the paperbacks averaged $2.25 and I got over 50 of them.

This was at "Bell, Book & Comic" in Dayton Ohio.

You have some good stuff here! Where Sea Meets Sky is probably my favorite Captain's Table novel other than Once Burned. All those Diane Carey and Diane Duanes are good ones. You should find out for yourself, of course, but The Badlands and Gemworld were both pretty meh duologies in my opinion.

 

[NStephenH]

Book 3 of Legions of Fire is usually very high priced on the secondary market. Looking this morning, $40-50 was the usual range. You may want to have some kind of saved search going on to get it at a price you are comfortable with.

Thanks! I just grabbed one for $34 after tax. I was vaguely looking for one online while at the book store, but was mostly just seeing bundles of all 3 for around $50. So all in all, I paid a little more, but at least I'll be uniting a set. It makes sense that publishers publish less of the last novel in a series due to attrition, but sad to see it's effect over the years.

Thank you all for the recommendations. I'm sure I'll get to them, eventually, but for now I'm continuing through Sight Unseen.

 

[hbquikcomjamesl]

The Spaceflight Chronology was not yet deprecated at the time. And DC's "Captain April and Geordie Kirk" books were set before the Enterprise, or the Constitution Class, officially went into service.

 

[Christopher]

The Spaceflight Chronology was not yet deprecated at the time.

"Deprecated" is a strange way of putting it. The SFC was just one of two or more competing chronologies popular at the time; several fan references, such as those by Geoffrey Mandel & Doug Drexler, tended to go with putting TOS in the 2260s, which is what canon ultimately settled on (give or take a few years). So the SFC couldn't be "deprecated" since it was never authoritative to begin with, just one of the speculative options that coexisted. Those novelists that used its dating did so by choice, or because it happened to be the version they were familiar with.

And DC's "Captain April and Geordie Kirk" books were set before the Enterprise, or the Constitution Class, officially went into service.

That's true of Final Frontier, but Best Destiny was set about 7 years later, and the ship there has official Starfleet colors, so I think it's officially in service by then.

The stranger thing is that Carey claimed the Enterprise was the first vessel even to be called a starship, and the first Federation vessel capable of long continuous warp journeys rather than short hops. She seemed to assume the Federation, and warp travel in general, was much younger than most people assumed even then, which is pretty hard to reconcile with Zefram Cochrane disappearing over a century before. I always found that a bizarre interpretation on her part. (Also, if it was the first ship of its class, wouldn't it have been called the Enterprise class?)

 

[Stevil2001]

The Spaceflight Chronology was not yet deprecated at the time. And DC's "Captain April and Geordie Kirk" books were set before the Enterprise, or the Constitution Class, officially went into service.

Why do you keep calling him "Geordie"?

 

[Christopher]

Why do you keep calling him "Geordie"?

That's what George's friend Drake called him in the novels, though other characters didn't, so it does seem kind of odd to default to it.

 

[Stevil2001]

That's what George's friend Drake called him in the novels, though other characters didn't, so it does seem kind of odd to default to it.

Wow, I don't remember that at all. And I recently reliistened to the audiobook, though that mostly cut Drake.

 

[JD]

I have returned and accounted for what I got:

Two captain’s table books:​	Where Sea Meets Sky​
​	The Captain's Table: War Dragons​
Diane Carey "Captain April and Geordie Kirk"​	Final Frontier​
​	Best Destiny​
​	​
​	Prime Directive​
any Diane Duane whatsoever:​	The Wounded Sky​
​	My Enemy, My Ally​
​	Spock's World​
​	​
​	The Empty Chair​
Another “because it was recommended”:​	Strangers from the Sky​
And because this said Romulan, I picked it up:​	The Romulan Way​
Some old Original Series Books:​	Spock Must Die!​
​	Spock, Messiah!​
​	​
Two lost era books, one recommended, one because it was there:​	Serpents Among the Ruins​
​	Deny Thy Father​
A Peter david book, strike zone.​	​
​	The Badlands, Part II​
A double helix book, which maybe I wouldn’t have picked up except for being confused by the two Dianes: I’ve read it in the past and thought it was OK though.​	Red Sector​
​	Klingon​
Animated series log 1-9.​	​
​	​
The badlands books​	​
The two non-adaptation dominion war books:​	Behind Enemy Lines​
​	Tunnel Through The Stars​
Two day of honor books:​	Ancient Blood​
​	Her Klingon Soul​
​	​
The immortal coil because it’s been recommended, and I’ve read it’s follow-ups​	​
​	​
Gemworld 1 and 2 because they seem to get referenced a lot.​	​
​	​
​	​
a new frontier novel I was missing:​	Dark Allies​
2 of 3 string theory books:​	Fusion​
​	Evolution​
​	​
the first two dark matters books, given I previously had the 3rd:​	Cloak And Dagger​
​	Ghost Dance​
The complete “A time to”​	A Time to Be Born​
​	A Time to Die​
​	A Time to Sow​
​	A Time to Harvest​
​	A Time to Love​
​	A Time to Hate​
​	A Time to Kill​
​	A Time to Heal​
​	A Time for War, A Time for Peace​
And a post-nemesis book I’ve already read:​	Resistance​

Then 3 voyager comics: Elite Force, Avalon rising, and False colors, the TNG-DS9 crossover comic from dc/malibu, and the trial of James T Kirk Comics.

I also grabbed the first two Peter David Bablyon 5 Peter David Legions of Fire books, which I've heard are good, and were also $10 instead of 2-3. My wife is a Babylon 5 fan and we've started the series together, but I've yet to finish it.
I also got 5 Anne McCaffrey novels for her: Decision at Doona, Crisis on Doona, The Dolphins of Pern, Dragonseye, and Dragonsdawn. She did already have some Pern and I confirmed she didn't have these.
And finally, because this was a comic shop and I saw it, Avatar: The Last Airbender: The search, which I remember enjoying quite a lot, and didn't have in paper. That was the most expensive thing, at $20. Besides the two Babylon 5 books, the paperbacks averaged $2.25 and I got over 50 of them.

This was at "Bell, Book & Comic" in Dayton Ohio.

That's an impressive haul, although personally I would have advised avoiding The Badlands duology, they're some of the Trek books I read that I didn't like very much, they're just super boring.
And it looks like you're missing #3 and #4 for the Rihanssu books. My Enemy, My Ally is #1, The Romulan Way is #2, and The Empty Chair is #5, you're missing Swordhunt (#3) and Honor Blade (#4).

Book 3 of Legions of Fire is usually very high priced on the secondary market. Looking this morning, $40-50 was the usual range. You may want to have some kind of saved search going on to get it at a price you are comfortable with.

Whoa. I'm lucky I still have my original copies of the B5 novels.

Yeah, the Babylon 5 books have had insanely high prices on Amazon for ages.