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Reactions when watching passed actors on TV or moviescreen

Here's a question that might be better suited to its own thread, what about when there's an actor, living or dead, who is really problematic in real life? Someone like Kevin Spacey or Bill Cosby, can you still enjoy their work knowing what we know now?

I can enjoy it. Granted you can't exactly forget what you know so it's not like that knowledge doesn't impact on some level but you know with Kevin Spacey as twisted as this might sound it even kind of helps enhance things because he has played some really twisted people over the years. Of course it can have the opposite effect as well. Norborg isn't quite as likeable in "Police Academy" but then again part of that also has to do I suspect with the fact that O.J wasn't exactly a good actor.

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Here's a question that might be better suited to its own thread, what about when there's an actor, living or dead, who is really problematic in real life? Someone like Kevin Spacey or Bill Cosby, can you still enjoy their work knowing what we know now?

As long as me watching their art is not benefitting or enabling them, yes.
 
Just watch "Buffy." Giles goes from old guy who needs to lighten up to logical leveled headed guy the youngsters need to listen to depending on what age your watching the show.

My best friend was recently rewatching Buffy. When the show first aired, she was only a year younger than Buffy herself (the character, not the actress). But when she gave it a rewatch now in her late 30s, she found herself thinking, "Can we forget the teen angst and focus more on the hot librarian?" It was a very odd experience that definitely put age & the passage of time into perspective.

Granted you can't exactly forget what you know so it's not like that knowledge doesn't impact on some level but you know with Kevin Spacey as twisted as this might sound it even kind of helps enhance things because he has played some really twisted people over the years. Of course it can have the opposite effect as well. Norborg isn't quite as likeable in "Police Academy" but then again part of that also has to do I suspect with the fact that O.J wasn't exactly a good actor.

I was just going to say that about Kevin Spacey. I mostly think of him as Lex Luthor in Superman Returns, so the real life perfidy seems fitting for a genocidal supervillain.

As for O.J., knowing what we know now ironically makes the Naked Gun movies funnier to me.

As for dead actors, it depends. Back when I was a kid, I always thought it strange that the entire main cast of I Love Lucy had died before I had even heard of the show. And Mr. Hooper had been long dead by the time I started watching Sesame Street but they would still occasionally air the old Christmas special, which still has him in it. So I had to process this kind of death of people that I don't actually know from a young age.

I thought it was pretty ghoulish the way that they brought back Carrie Fisher for Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker the first time I saw it, although I've gotten used to it upon subsequent rewatches.

I also watch a lot of old movies from the 1930s-'60s and I'm well aware of the fact that most if not all of the actors are dead. Even when I see them give interviews in the bonus features, these are often interviews from 15-20 years ago, so many more have probably passed on by now. That's fine. What tends to hit me is when I learn about actors that died young. Even if they died long before I was born, it's an eerie experience because I've often just discovered them. Like, I recently just for the first time watched Bells Are Ringing and was then dismayed to hear that Judy Holliday died only 5 years later at the age of 43. It was even worse when I watched Les Girls and then heard that Kay Kendall died a mere 2 years later at age 32 from a cancer that no one else even told her that she had! Both films are fantastic musicals featuring actors who seem so full of life & energy.

One of the deaths that's unexpectedly hard for me to process is Kellie Waymire. She played Crewman Cutler during the 1st season of Enterprise. She also guest starred as a quirky zookeeper on Wonderfalls and that's the thing that always makes me sniffle when I think about it.

Then there's the times when knowing how the actor died retroactively gives new meaning to the thing that they're in. Of course, The Crow, which is all about death & resurrection, becomes far more poignant knowing that Brandon Lee died while making it.

Then there's all of the NewsRadio episodes that make jokes about Bill dying or having a mentally unstable girlfriend. There was "Xmas Story," where the Salvation Army Santa in the lobby keeps threatening to kill Bill. Then there was "Halloween," where a psychic predicts the exact date of Bill's death. (She says March 8, 2032. Oh, if only... :( ) Then there's the elseworlds episodes "Space" & "Sinking Ship," which both end with everyone dying except for Bill & Matthew.
 
Here's a question that might be better suited to its own thread, what about when there's an actor, living or dead, who is really problematic in real life? Someone like Kevin Spacey or Bill Cosby, can you still enjoy their work knowing what we know now?

Everyone has their own lines in the sand, of course, but I agree with RandyS that the actor is not the character in the story.

When I'm watching The Adventures of Robin Hood, I'm watching Errol Flynn as Robin Hood, not thinking about the statutory rape trial or the (unproven) accusation that he was a Nazi sympathizer. I can root for Robin Hood whole-heartedly, and admire Flynn's charismatic performance without any difficulty.
 
Everyone has their own lines in the sand, of course, but I agree with RandyS that the actor is not the character in the story.

When I'm watching The Adventures of Robin Hood, I'm watching Errol Flynn as Robin Hood, not thinking about the statutory rape trial or the (unproven) accusation that he was a Nazi sympathizer. I can root for Robin Hood whole-heartedly, and admire Flynn's charismatic performance without any difficulty.
I agree, but there is one exception I draw (not demanding anyone else do it): Bill Cosby. I loved Cosby. Only standup comic I’ve seen twice in person. Watched all his shows from Fat Albert as a kid to the rest (though even he couldn’t make Leonard Part 6 watchable). I even have a copy of his first solo show from the early 70s on DVD. However, I cannot bring myself to watching anything of his unless he’s a cameo in something I really like (can’t even think of one offhand). It’s because he made such a concerted effort at being a “paragon of parenting”, both in roles and in real life AND he’s shown zero remorse after admitting to the awful things he’s done.

As always, everyone’ mileage may vary.
 
They live on through their acting performances.

Or

Must've been nice to have lived back then.

 
Speaking only for myself, yes. The actor is not the same as the character they play. If they were, I would have had to give up on TOS decades ago when the stories about Shatner started coming out. When I watch TOS, I see Kirk and Spock. Not Shatner and Nimoy.

It's hilarious how a show based on human nature has to be watched in its own bubble like we do for all shows as a rule. For the same reason, it's fictional use of human nature.
 
I was thinking the other day, if Lennon hadn’t died young he’d probably be raked over the coals for stuff he did in the 60s now.

I saw Buffy for the first time a few years ago in my 30s. It’s hard not to see both sides here. Giles has the best of intentions but the show also makes clear that a big part of the reason Buffy outsurvives the average slayer is the effect her social life has on her mental health. That episode where Buffy interrogates Spike about how he killed two slayers. Those two slayers for a split second wanted to die because some well intended Watcher kept them from having any real connections.
 
I watch a LOT of Dallas (my fave) and I always get a little sad when I see Larry Hagman as JR. He defined that show. He WAS that show. I know he left a huge legacy with it and he was proud of it and all, but I can't help but miss him. Same goes for a lot of the other actors and actresses on the show - Barbara Bel Geddes, Jim Davis, etc. We recently lost Ken Kercheval aka Cliff Barnes, and I'm still so very sad. :(
When I was watching the original Dallas on DVD, the deaths didn't hit me as much — I didn't watch the original show until the run-up to the revival on TNT, so Jim Davis had been dead for almost 20 years, and Barbara Bel Geddes and Howard Keel for less time than that, but still a bit in the past. OTOH, when Larry Hagman died during the filming of Season 2, that really did hit me.

I think it's something about it being a final performance... seeing Anton Yelchin in his earlier movies doesn't hit me as hard as seeing him in Star Trek Beyond. Same for Carrie Fisher in any of her earlier work, but rewatching The Last Jedi was very poignant. Occasionally, if it's someone (like Yelchin or Belushi) who died young, I might reflect on the "what if" of projects they might have made.

Here's a question that might be better suited to its own thread, what about when there's an actor, living or dead, who is really problematic in real life? Someone like Kevin Spacey or Bill Cosby, can you still enjoy their work knowing what we know now?
This is definitely something I wrestle with, trying to separate someone's bad behavior from their artwork. Polanski, for instance; Chinatown is a masterpiece, Carnage feels like an emotional successor to Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?, one of my favorite plays and films. Yet how do you reconcile that with Polanski's heinous behavior?

Spacey has always played a lot of assholes, so the revelation that he actually is an asshole in real life just meant that his performances weren't as much acting as we'd thought. I finally rewatched something with him in it recently, the film Margin Call, but that's one where he's part of an ensemble cast rather than carrying the lead.

Cosby I don't know that I'll ever be able to forgive; Fat Albert and The Cosby Show were staples of my childhood, and when I was a teen I discovered his stand-up albums. He was America's Dad. Fuck him. A pox upon his gonads.
 
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