Re-Watching Enterprise

[suebsg9]

Wow really Scott said that; I mean look at the length that Archer went to make sure Trip lived in the Sim eps; and then also reaction to Sim in Trips room. I mean Trip made a mistake but I can't believe that cause of that one thing one change their friendship. I mean you could see it when Trip would approach Archer on some of his descisions when he put his feelings first before what would happen to the crew. And to me think Trip was right to question it.

I don't think Scott meant their friendship was dead. I think he meant Archer was less friendly with Trip or distanced himself. Archer goes to a lot of lengths for the people under his command -- the Klingon arc for Reed, more times that I can count for T'Pol, etc.

I do think he has a friendship for Trip, but Similitude out of season 3 was the only show that reminded us they were friends once, imo.

Yea it was strange that you didn't see Archer and Trip hanging out I think only other time he came to dinner with Archer and Tpol was when Emory on board and again you could tell during that there was something going on cause he was actually going to put Trip on insubordination and its like Trip made good points and was ARcher putting family friend first instead of crew. I mean Trip went through change when sis died.

And you can't blame Sim for being in Trips room I mean he was so much like Trip only seemed reasonable. Never bought the final shot and Trips face though.

See I am someone who likes buddy buddy friendships; I found Bashir and Obrien friendship so great in DS9 and those two went through alot but still remained friends. So thats why found it strange how distant ARcher and Trip became and you would think if they distant those two then write more with Reed and Trip.

Like I said new to fandom so I will ask alot of questions and speculate hope alright and hope people fill in holes for me.

 

[Hoshi's sis]

Archer and Trip and Trip and Reed were two different types of buddy relationships that I think they wanted to show on the show.

Trip was the everyman who almost everyone could connect with and see a bit of themselves in. Archer and Trip were a long time friendship. (maybe even bit of hero worship on Trip's side towards Archer, or older brother and younger brother type.) Personally I don't think we needed to have it thrown in our face, time and time again that they were friends. We know they were, they had a history. They showed and established this in Season 1 and 2. Season 3 and 4 was, IMO, how they each grew and developed (although they certainly didn't write it that way for Archer) in their respective roles. I think they still showed us in Season 3 and 4 that their friendship was still there and going just as strong, although I would have liked a bit more. IMO, they seemed to concentrate more on each of their triad roles - Archer , dependant on T'Pol for her logical nature and Trip for his emotional nature. This is what, IMO, made the series for me.

Trip's friendship between Malcolm and himself was more of a equal drinking buddy buddy type. Personally I never enjoyed it as much because I never liked of Reed much of a character, but I enjoyed their interactions.

 

[suebsg9]

Archer and Trip and Trip and Reed were two different types of buddy relationships that I think they wanted to show on the show.

Trip was the everyman who almost everyone could connect with and see a bit of themselves in. Archer and Trip were a long time friendship. (maybe even bit of hero worship on Trip's side towards Archer, or older brother and younger brother type.) Personally I don't think we needed to have it thrown in our face, time and time again that they were friends. We know they were, they had a history. They showed and established this in Season 1 and 2. Season 3 and 4 was, IMO, how they each grew and developed (although they certainly didn't write it that way for Archer) in their respective roles. I think they still showed us in Season 3 and 4 that their friendship was still there and going just as strong, although I would have liked a bit more. IMO, they seemed to concentrate more on each of their triad roles - Archer , dependant on T'Pol for her logical nature and Trip for his emotional nature. This is what, IMO, made the series for me.

Trip's friendship between Malcolm and himself was more of a equal drinking buddy buddy type. Personally I never enjoyed it as much because I never liked of Reed much of a character, but I enjoyed their interactions.

Intresting way to look at it and thanks; I always like hearing diff views on how people saw things helps me to understand and watch for stuff. Thanks again!!

 

[commodore64]

Well ... then welcome to the forum, suebsg9, and thanks for being respectful of others' opinions. I think that makes a big difference. By the way, there are never right or wrong opinions - as per a comment you made in another thread. So don't worry ... even if someone disagrees with you or does so strongly. And the questions, even if they've been asked before, obviously are fun to respond to.

[...] you could tell during that there was something going on cause he was actually going to put Trip on insubordination and its like Trip made good points and was Archer putting family friend first instead of crew.

That's Archer's way - love it or hate it. I think sometimes it doesn't make him a great captain, but *always* makes him a great character. On the insubordination, imo, Trip pushed his luck. Archer gave him an opportunity to express himself and the engineer pushed a little too far. (That stuff doesn't really go over at work either.) T'Pol's quiet way, where she'll come back to the captain and reason later, seems to usually sway Archer.

I mean Trip went through change when sis died.

This might sound cold-hearted, but I never really thought Trip's plight in season 3 was that interesting. I felt sorry for him in "the Expanse," but by the fifth episode believed he was being a big baby and needed someone (Reed would've been good) to smack him upside the head. I think I would've felt sorrier for him if I knew he was putting up a brave front without the neuropressure.

 

[suebsg9]

Well ... then welcome to the forum, suebsg9, and thanks for being respectful of others' opinions. I think that makes a big difference. By the way, there are never right or wrong opinions - as per a comment you made in another thread. So don't worry ... even if someone disagrees with you or does so strongly. And the questions, even if they've been asked before, obviously are fun to respond to.

[...] you could tell during that there was something going on cause he was actually going to put Trip on insubordination and its like Trip made good points and was Archer putting family friend first instead of crew.

That's Archer's way - love it or hate it. I think sometimes it doesn't make him a great captain, but *always* makes him a great character. On the insubordination, imo, Trip pushed his luck. Archer gave him an opportunity to express himself and the engineer pushed a little too far. (That stuff doesn't really go over at work either.) T'Pol's quiet way, where she'll come back to the captain and reason later, seems to usually sway Archer.

I mean Trip went through change when sis died.

This might sound cold-hearted, but I never really thought Trip's plight in season 3 was that interesting. I felt sorry for him in "the Expanse," but by the fifth episode believed he was being a big baby and needed someone (Reed would've been good) to smack him upside the head. I think I would've felt sorrier for him if I knew he was putting up a brave front without the neuropressure.

See this is what I find intresting; see figure get more insight from those who watched show from beginning and you guys have said some intresting things and respect that and apologize again for what I said I will learn

And I think Connor said something like that you listen to interviews and such and what he thought about some stuff they did and I think he would agree with you. And stressing think Don't quote me on that lol!

 

[pookha]

i never understood the thing about trip and archers friendship wasnt the same after cogenitor.
while it seemed strained for awhile by bound things seem to be much better since we trip and archer coming back from taking a mountain climbing trip together.
they seem to be very much at ease with one another .

now the expanse did affect things but it is only with trip that we see archer reveal the weight the mission is having on him.

in season four even after the confrontations in daedulus we have the scene were archer comes to see trip in observer effect.

so while there were ebbbs and flows depending on circumstances there isnt really a point were it could be said the archer and trip freindship was dead.

 

[suebsg9]

Good point Pooka and forgot about Bound and was just on Scifi Channel.

And last night put in Shuttlepod ONe and got to say very good eps enjoyed it; loved Malcolm being mister doom and gloom and Trip trying to be the optimist.

Could have done without the fantasy that Malcolm had about Tpol; but when he woke up and was saying Stinky made for intresting scene between Trip and Malcolm.

So enjoyed the eps glad put in and watched it!

And did we see after the long marathon that Scifi is having when eps return on Tuesdays with the run from 7-10 they are starting back to season 1?

And wish I understood why Scifi couldn't have picked this series up; an original series like Enterprise would have been good to keep the Star TRek series alive for 3 more seasons.

 

[AntonyF]

I'd like to rewatch seasons three and four. But £40 a season...

Play.com is out of stock of most Enterprise DVDs, which probably indicates they'll go value soon.

I'd pay £70 for all of TNG, DS9 etc... £40 for all of Enterprise. When it's that price, I'll get it.

 

[suebsg9]

I'd like to rewatch seasons three and four. But £40 a season...

Play.com is out of stock of most Enterprise DVDs, which probably indicates they'll go value soon.

I'd pay £70 for all of TNG, DS9 etc... £40 for all of Enterprise. When it's that price, I'll get it.

With me when I bought the seasons and luckily only went four couldn't imagine how much would to have to spend if went 7; but still wonder whey Scifi didn't pick series up but oh well.

I have looked at prices for DS9 cause I would have liked to be able to afford those dvds but man talk about expensive. So to me buying Enterprise was pretty reasonable.

And enjoy being able to put dvds of eps like to watch like I said watched Shuttlepod One and enjoyed it.

 

[Hoshi's sis]

For any Brits who are interested, they are showing DeadStop tonight on Virgin1.

One of the hightlights in a rather disappointing and crappy season 2.

 

[gblews]

Season 3 started again tonight on Sci-Fi. Damn, Jolene looked good from the very start of the season, uniform or not.

The only redeeming thing about "Exctinction" was the white catsuit.

 

[galleywest]

They got her out of that blocky wig, at least! Every time I saw it I thought, "Hey Moe!"

Anyway, I never really felt that the Trip/Archer friendship was dead, just that it changed as they faced new pressures and new situations out in space. These guys had so much pressure on them--it's not like any of the other series where space travel is a given and there are a lot of humans and known alien allies out there to interact with (even in TOS or TNG). I personally would have had a nervous breakdown sometime in Season 1 if I were on that ship!

 

[angie]

I think the handling of the Archer/Trip friendship was handled very real---people change. I think they were still friends but grew apart somewhat as time passed and given some of the events it would not be surprising. I think as in Cogenitor Archer blamed himself for this in TATV.

 

[DarthPipes]

Well ... then welcome to the forum, suebsg9, and thanks for being respectful of others' opinions. I think that makes a big difference. By the way, there are never right or wrong opinions - as per a comment you made in another thread. So don't worry ... even if someone disagrees with you or does so strongly. And the questions, even if they've been asked before, obviously are fun to respond to.

[...] you could tell during that there was something going on cause he was actually going to put Trip on insubordination and its like Trip made good points and was Archer putting family friend first instead of crew.

That's Archer's way - love it or hate it. I think sometimes it doesn't make him a great captain, but *always* makes him a great character. On the insubordination, imo, Trip pushed his luck. Archer gave him an opportunity to express himself and the engineer pushed a little too far. (That stuff doesn't really go over at work either.) T'Pol's quiet way, where she'll come back to the captain and reason later, seems to usually sway Archer.

I mean Trip went through change when sis died.

This might sound cold-hearted, but I never really thought Trip's plight in season 3 was that interesting. I felt sorry for him in "the Expanse," but by the fifth episode believed he was being a big baby and needed someone (Reed would've been good) to smack him upside the head. I think I would've felt sorrier for him if I knew he was putting up a brave front without the neuropressure.

Trip was 100% correct when he said that Archer was (deliberately) putting the ship in danger to save his friend's son. Archer did the only thing he could do and threaten insubordination. He sure as hell couldn't win that argument.

 

[suebsg9]

Well ... then welcome to the forum, suebsg9, and thanks for being respectful of others' opinions. I think that makes a big difference. By the way, there are never right or wrong opinions - as per a comment you made in another thread. So don't worry ... even if someone disagrees with you or does so strongly. And the questions, even if they've been asked before, obviously are fun to respond to.

[...] you could tell during that there was something going on cause he was actually going to put Trip on insubordination and its like Trip made good points and was Archer putting family friend first instead of crew.

That's Archer's way - love it or hate it. I think sometimes it doesn't make him a great captain, but *always* makes him a great character. On the insubordination, imo, Trip pushed his luck. Archer gave him an opportunity to express himself and the engineer pushed a little too far. (That stuff doesn't really go over at work either.) T'Pol's quiet way, where she'll come back to the captain and reason later, seems to usually sway Archer.

I mean Trip went through change when sis died.

This might sound cold-hearted, but I never really thought Trip's plight in season 3 was that interesting. I felt sorry for him in "the Expanse," but by the fifth episode believed he was being a big baby and needed someone (Reed would've been good) to smack him upside the head. I think I would've felt sorrier for him if I knew he was putting up a brave front without the neuropressure.

Trip was 100% correct when he said that Archer was (deliberately) putting the ship in danger to save his friend's son. Archer did the only thing he could do and threaten insubordination. He sure as hell couldn't win that argument.

No he couldn't but was nice to see again Trip faced again with someone not realizing that he has dealt with death; and nice also to see Trip who looked upon someone as a mentor not living up to xpectations. To me that was one really intresting eps.

 

[Count Zero]

I have actually watched nearly all ENT episodes several times (TATV excluded.. ) but that was a while ago. I've recorded all episodes so it wouldn't be a problem but I'm afraid ENT might not make a terribly good impression, now. In the mean time I've discovered Doctor Who and I suspect ENT will look pretty dull and one-dimensional beside it (although it has much better special effects, I guess). So I guess, it'll be a long time before I'll ever rewatch it.

 

[Tan Ru]

***BUMP***

I've been watching Enterprise again after purchasing the complete four seasons from No-Retail.com for $70.

I cannot believe how many early episodes I missed during their original run due to schedule changes, sporting broadcasts etc. (‼)

Enterprise is now making more sense to me and I'm really getting into the stories and characters more.

TOS remains my favorite (and always will) but Enterprise has endeared itself to me lately. Both these series have something in common; they both ended far too soon.

*Just some random thoughts………

 

[Pensive]

I also find ENT endearing. Welcome to the family

 

[Broccoli]

ENT kicks ass. I plan on rewatching it within the next few months.

 

[Tan Ru]

I'm almost done viewing the first season of ENT, and I have realized that I missed about HALF of the episodes during their original broadcast! I find this just amazing!

The character development in ENT makes much more sense to me now.