Re-Watching Enterprise
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Love it, RandyS! The gazelle speech never annoyed me either, I just thought it was a writing missed opportunity. (Oddly, I'm now annoyed more by the reactions to the speech. :P)
The Gazelle speech was a little bit of a cringe moment for me.
<---- I kid.
I too think it was a missed writing opportunity. That was a profound moment for Archer. He should have said something more fitting of his position. But it wasn't all that bad. When I think of all the stupid speeches that Kirk made
<---- I kid.
I too think it was a missed writing opportunity. That was a profound moment for Archer. He should have said something more fitting of his position. But it wasn't all that bad. When I think of all the stupid speeches that Kirk made
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The problem with the gazelle speech is that it was 1) stupid, 2) was for the most part the same exact argument the Vulcans were using against humanity pushing out further into space and screwing things up, 3) was to the wrong people, and just to compound it, the speech T'Pol gave was much better and more appropriate. It would've been a lot better had T'Pol actually convinced Archer to let her speak on their behalf.
The Gazelle speech was a little bit of a cringe moment for me.
<---- I kid.
I too think it was a missed writing opportunity. That was a profound moment for Archer. He should have said something more fitting of his position. But it wasn't all that bad. When I think of all the stupid speeches that Kirk made
That's it right there. Acrher's speech was nowhere near as corny (or weird) as some of the stuff Kirk spouted, but people seem to hate it anyway.
I'll buy that.
I didn't mean to imply I'm ashamed...I have 2 milkcrates full of tapes. I just rarely thinkto watch them.
No. I get great satisfaction from certain episodes.
it isnt the smartest thing to tell the vulcans.
to the vulcans the humans should have stayed on earth.
were they could learn and prepare before going out into space and making what could be very dangerous mistakes.
you have to craft your arguement for your audience and the speech is a failure on that level.
Actually, I think the Gazelle speech was good-it highlighted that we were different than Vulcans (as much as it highighted that we were different from gazelles) and that they need to have different expectations of us than they perhaps had.
I always liked it because it wasn't a real good speech - I always thought it was a play on the old TOS/TNG staple of Captain gives a righteous speech (no matter how good or bad) and everyone gets put in their place. Here everyone gave the speech exactly what it deserved, a big ole and T'Pol had to step in to save the day. 
As for rewatching ENT, I'm currently going through the eps again - although very slowly (I have to catch them when my 13 month old son is taking a nap - assuming I don't have anything else to do in that timeframe as well). 2D2N's is next on the list.
and T'Pol had to step in to save the day. As for rewatching ENT, I'm currently going through the eps again - although very slowly (I have to catch them when my 13 month old son is taking a nap - assuming I don't have anything else to do in that timeframe as well). 2D2N's is next on the list.
Since new to watching enterprise eps its like going in no particular order; ok watch the monday night shows which are in order and then on dvd I choose after reading synopsis of eps what eps I want to watch and am presently surprized at the arcs that they put together on the show. But like I said fun way to do it; actually wish could find more interaction between Malcolm and Trip.
Yes, regrettably, the writers pretty much abandoned Trip's friendships with Archer and Malcolm in favor of pairing him off constantly with T'Pol. I didn't dislike that relationship, but I also couldn't understand why Trip had to drop his buddies just because of a little Vulcan neuronookie. Especially since it didn't lead to something resembling an adult relationship until Demons/Terra Prime.
Yes, regrettably, the writers pretty much abandoned Trip's friendships with Archer and Malcolm in favor of pairing him off constantly with T'Pol. I didn't dislike that relationship, but I also couldn't understand why Trip had to drop his buddies just because of a little Vulcan neuronookie. Especially since it didn't lead to something resembling an adult relationship until Demons/Terra Prime.
I like Trip and Tpol but yea I would have liked to have seen more scenes with Malcolm and Trip; Archer to me seem like he got colder towards Trip; its like I had no problem with Trip acting way he did with Degra I mean good god this is the man that built the weapon that killed his sister and I thought he should have been able to say what he had to but as usual Archer shut him down for getting peace. And same with the Emory thing; its like they grew further apart. And then when Tpol got married you would have thought more guy time but he still hung around her to be there.
I guess its funny you listen to Connors interviews or panals from cons and how he saw how his character acted around Tpol and he didn't see them together and such cause a woman that never showed emotion and quite amusing I think he would have liked more guy time.
But its fun watching the eps like I said I do it via dvds and also Monday nights when I am home to watch the eps will put them on. I think Enterprise was on when I was watching Stargate and never caught it til now and took awhile cause ran along time on Scifi before I took a likeing to it! Luckily was able to gather all 4 seasons of the dvds; I would like to be able to afford DS9 but dang those dvds are expensive; I try to watch those reruns if up late at night.
I didn't feel that was true until the very end of season 4 -- from the last of the Andorian arc on.
I have to agree with Sue, watching Malcolm and Trip was fun, almost as fun as watching Archer and T'Pol or Archer and T'Pol interacting with Phlox.
Malcolm and Trip could tease each other like they did in United; even after when Trip gave Malcolm order not to do what he was suppost to do at the end they shared a laugh. I mean Archer would try that with Trip and its like just wasn't funny!
I think the only time Trip and Archer looked close again was in the final eps and thats when Trip saved Archers life; but would have liked to have seen in that eps the other cast members took news of Trips death instead of just Tpol and Archer.
I thought Trip and Archer were good friends ... until season 3, where they interacted a lot less. Scott Bakula's explanation (when asked in an online chat) is their friendship was never quite the same after Cogenitor.
I didn't see any friendship other than TATV.
On the reaction to Trip's death, I'm really glad they only showed T'Pol and Archer's reaction. The purpose wasn't to dwell on the past, but to look forward ... which is why the very next scene is Archer getting ready for the speech while T'Pol hovers around him and then they hug. (The hugging was a great scene.)
Wow really Scott said that; I mean look at the length that Archer went to make sure Trip lived in the Sim eps; and then also reaction to Sim in Trips room. I mean Trip made a mistake but I can't believe that cause of that one thing one change their friendship. I mean you could see it when Trip would approach Archer on some of his descisions when he put his feelings first before what would happen to the crew. And to me think Trip was right to question it.
But thats intresting. I was glad that Malcolm and Trip were friends cause its like he did have someone he could buddy around with; granted diff ranks but they had fun in scenes. And I guess you wish they would have shown more of that.
And the scene with Tpol and Archer in Trips room when she is packing his stuff was touching as well. But you could tell things were diff between Archer and Trip.
I don't think Scott meant their friendship was dead. I think he meant Archer was less friendly with Trip or distanced himself. Archer goes to a lot of lengths for the people under his command -- the Klingon arc for Reed, more times that I can count for T'Pol, etc.
I do think he has a friendship for Trip, but Similitude out of season 3 was the only show that reminded us they were friends once, imo.
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