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Re-Watching DS9

I'm not sure how I feel about Sisko basically interfering with a Klingon operating under Klingon beliefs in a way that wouldn't hurt anyone else, and I kind of wonder whether Picard would have felt differently on the matter.

The episode kind of takes an anti-euthanasia stance, though it can certainly be argued whether Kurn was suffering to such a degree; he certainly seemed to feel he was.

I always wondered how Kurn would feel about how this played out if he ever regained his memory. It's hard for me to imagine he'd be particularly happy about it.
 
I'm not sure how I feel about Sisko basically interfering with a Klingon operating under Klingon beliefs in a way that wouldn't hurt anyone else, and I kind of wonder whether Picard would have felt differently on the matter.

The episode kind of takes an anti-euthanasia stance, though it can certainly be argued whether Kurn was suffering to such a degree; he certainly seemed to feel he was.

I always wondered how Kurn would feel about how this played out if he ever regained his memory. It's hard for me to imagine he'd be particularly happy about it.
If I remember correctly, that was a story point in one of the DS9 novels. (VENGEANCE, I believe.)
 
I'm not sure how I feel about Sisko basically interfering with a Klingon operating under Klingon beliefs in a way that wouldn't hurt anyone else, and I kind of wonder whether Picard would have felt differently on the matter.

The episode kind of takes an anti-euthanasia stance, though it can certainly be argued whether Kurn was suffering to such a degree; he certainly seemed to feel he was.

I always wondered how Kurn would feel about how this played out if he ever regained his memory. It's hard for me to imagine he'd be particularly happy about it.
"Reunion" tells me all I need to know about how Picard would've reacted to Worf trying to aid Kurn in the ritual. He would've said that they've all sworn to serve Starfleet. if anything, Sisko actually let Worf off easier than Picard would've. Picard put a reprimand in Worf's record. All Sisko did was give Worf a stern talking-to.

If I remember correctly, that was a story point in one of the DS9 novels. (VENGEANCE, I believe.)
Yup. I haven't read it, but my brother told me about it.
 
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The difference is Worf killed Duras on a Klingon ship that was under Klingon jurisdiction. By Klingon law, no crime had been committed. However, Deep Space Nine is under Bajoran and Federation jurisdiction and he probably would have been charged with murder. As they say, local laws apply.
 
The difference is Worf killed Duras on a Klingon ship that was under Klingon jurisdiction. By Klingon law, no crime had been committed. However, Deep Space Nine is under Bajoran and Federation jurisdiction and he probably would have been charged with murder. As they say, local laws apply.
True, which is why I said the only mistake Worf made was performing the ritual on DS9.
 
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My food of choice to watch these episodes with is Jalapeno Pizza. I added the jalapenos myself. I looked for the hottest ones I could find. I bought margarita mix as well. I wish I could have it with a drink, but I ran out of time to go to the liquor store, so it'll be the margarita mix all by itself. Better for when I write the review!

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Now let's get this started! I already watched these episodes before, I got a little bit ahead not too long ago and didn't want to stop, but this is my first time watching these episodes to review them.

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"Point of No Return" (B5 S3E9)

We're doing the B-Plot first, then the A-Plot. Because after the A-Plot, I'm going to roll right into talking about the next episode!

The B-Plot:
This part of the story begins with propaganda. Vir is writing an intelligence report on Minbar, and Londo rejects everything Vir says about Minbar and wants him report about how Minbar is less civilized and more decadent than the Centauri. Anything that makes the Centauri look better than anyone else. Vir is frustrated and has had it up to here with Londo. The way Londo's acting, he goes from spin to slander, trying to say the Minbari are decadent and have no morals. He'd be perfect for some right-wing talk show or news outlet. Vir wants to give accurate intelligence and Londo delivers this soundbite of a line, "Intelligence has nothing to do with politics!" Vir's talking about intelligence reports. But Londo's talking about propaganda, which relies on keeping people dumb, gullible, and ignorant. Also, on a meta level, politics doing intentionally stupid things if they think it can advance their careers and secure their positions of power.

It's all about power, all about control, and what message is being spread. All three bite Londo in the ass when Lady Morella arrives. Londo downplays all the violence and unrest going on at Babylon 5 and wants to direct Morella away from the tour he's trying to give her. She doesn't care about the tour, she wants to see what's going on with Earth. So not only does he not control the information, now he's lost control of the situation. Then, at the end, when he gets Morella to see into his future, she sees that he'll become Emperor, but so will Vir. So now he knows that won't keep power and will lose it to his subordinate. He could look at as the glass half-full and assume that Vir simply succeeds him after he dies. But, no. Londo is insecure and thinks Vir will have something to do with his downfall, making him paranoid in his interactions with Vir at the end of the episode. Londo also probably can't stand that Morella could see through all of his nonsense and told him he's already missed two opportunities to make things better for himself as a person.

Majel Barrett's appearance on Babylon 5, which from what I understand was an olive branch from Star Trek, is perfect. She's in a high position, playing the role of Turhan's widow. Being the widow of the former Cenaturi Emperor parallels her being the widow of the Star Trek's Creator and former Executive Producer in Real Life. Lady Morella has a regality and formality to her that Luaxana Troi lacks and would completely disregard. It's underappreciated how good of an actor Majel Barrett was. Number One, the Starfleet computer voice, Chapel, Luaxana, Morella. No one can accuse her of playing roles that are too similar to each other. She had a true range. Casting her as a Centauri was also a perfect choice. Not being a Human makes her a third party to what's going on with Earth. Not being a Minbari, Narn, or especially a Vorlon makes it so that we can clearly see her face, who she is, and that it's Majel Barrett. Londo may be the Ambassador for the Centauri, but Majel Barrett is the Ambassador from Star Trek. So, on a meta level, it's like having two Ambassadors meet.

The A-Plot:
Picking up from the page-turner of an ending last episode, President Clark has declared Martial Law. Not only that, but he's dissolved the Senate. A step further than Trump, who only has the Senate in his pocket. One of Sheridan's contacts, General Smitts, tells him that General Hague wanted Sheridan to know that everything's gone to Hell and that he was on his own. Sheridan lets his crew know what's happened. I think it's interesting that in the light of accusations that Clark was behind the assassination of Santiago, that he'd declare Martial Law. Clamping down in such a way makes him look even more guilty. But I guess he has his spin machine.

Off-screen, the Earth Alliance is after General Hague, who's looking for anyone ships to join him as tries to launch a retaliatory strike. I know that Babylon 5 had TV Movies, but one that I really would've liked to have seen would've been a TV Movie about Hague while all of this was going on. I've got a feeling that isn't covered in any of them.

One of the benefits of watching this a second and now third time, is that I can see the coded clues Sheridan's superior officer gives when communicating with him. "Our orders are to follow the Commander-in-Chief and respect the chain of command." Then he tells Sheridan that Nightwatch has been given command by "mandate from the Security Office", which isn't the same as an executive order from the Commander-in-Chief, meaning the President. Followed by his telling Sheridan who objects, "If you've got a problem, I suggest you look upon this as an opportunity not a burden." If you don't know what to listen for, you'll never pick up on it. But, once you do, it's so obvious and so exactly worded. It's even better than the coded message Spock gave to Kirk in TWOK, because it's not even coded at all. It's right there in plain sight!

Meanwhile, Vaughn Armstrong's character, who I'm still calling Armstrong in the absence of another name, informs Nightwatch that they'll be running Security on Babylon 5 exclusively and will find traitors wherever they are. Zack looks visibly uncomfortable with this, but goes along anyway. Probably because he's scared, doesn't know what to do, and is worried about what will happen if he doesn't do what Armstrong wants. Nightwatch is like Clark's personal army. Scary how timely something made 30 years ago seems. I'm going to guess -- and this is only a guess -- that JMS was intrigued by the idea of safeguards in the Constitution and the three branches of US Government designed to keep a rogue President in check, and wondered what would happen if all those safeguards were removed. On top of Nightwatch probably being inspired by the Gestapo and a heavy dose of McCarthyism. This had to all be purely hypothetical for JMS because -- looking at Modern US History (meaning Post-WWII) up to when this episode was made -- nothing Nixon, Reagan, or Clinton did even approaches Clark's level of scandal and corruption. Clark's in a league of his own.

Sheridan wants to fight back with his brain while Garibaldi wants to fight back with his brawn, he's so upset. He looks like he wants to seriously bust some Nightwatch skulls. Sheridan doesn't want Garibaldi to do that because it's giving Nightwatch what they want, but Garibaldi doesn't care. On the way to Security, Zack tries to talk Garibaldi down, to no avail. Makes sense. Garibaldi thinks Zack has no backbone, he doesn't fully trust him, and tells him straight-out that he better pick and side and make sure he's not on the wrong one. He's furious. When Garibaldi finally reaches Security, Armstrong tells him "Don't make a scene, Chief." "Me?," Garibaldi asks while he knocks over the table! I'm surprised that's all he did. So maybe he did listen to Sheridan a little. Or his common sense kicked in just enough. It's insane to think that Armstrong got almost all of Security to side him over Garibaldi. They all probably think they're just listening to what Clark wants. If anything, they've probably been brainwashed into think Garibaldi's misguided at best and a traitor at worst.

General Hague's progress is left a mystery for half the episode. Earth ships have Hague's ship, the Alexander cornered and want him to surrender. The inhabitants of Babylon 5 are finding out about this on ISN. It's a nice new perspective, getting updates on a ship battle on the news. Definitely something you'd never see in Star Trek. People start cheering when Hague evades Earth forces, and it's only when people start to cheer that Nightwatch starts to claim they're inciting a riot. That sounds just like the type of nonsense ICE would try to pull. Then a riot really starts when Nightwatch tries to take people in. While it's being transmitted across the station that Sheridan has recieved confirmation that President Clark has indeed declared Martial Law. The imagery of the fighting over Sheridan's announcement gives a sense of the total chaos in the air.

Sheridan feels dirty after the making that announcement about President Clark, but then finally realizes there must've been a hidden message in what General Smitts was trying to tell him. This is also something you'd never see in Star Trek. It takes a while for Sheridan to figure out what Smitts was trying to tell him. Half an episode later. It wasn't obvious to someone looking out for the message, like I said, and it's not something where Sheridan picked it up instantaneously, since it was so subtle. That feels a lot more realistic and makes Sheridan's realization feel like a payoff, and a very satisfying one, that you wouldn't get if he figured it all out right away. I love watching Sheridan go through the message over and over again to piece together what Smitts said, as a plan starts forming in his head. G'Kar, who was released earlier in the episode, also has a plan to help Babylon 5. And everything starts coming together. Zack is summoned by Sheridan, Garibaldi, and the others. What I like is that when Zack goes to Armstrong to tell him what's found out, you're not sure who's side Zack is really on or where he's going to land. To be honest, I don't even think Zack knows. Meanwhile G'Kar asks his fellow Narn to join him to help out Babylon 5's security forces. Everything's being set in motion.

In Sheridan's quarters, he's sitting in his quarters waiting for the time to make his move. He gets up slowly, in the dark, with heavy look on his face as he feels the weight the gravity of the situation he's in where there's no point of return. Never has getting up and fastening a uniform felt so dramatic and intense! Bruce Boxlieghtner really sells it. The button on the scene is Sheridan making sure he has his gun on him. He's going in for the kill, he's hoping figuratively and not literally.

The tension rises as Sheridan walks to Bay 8 his way while Nightwatch walks to Bay 8 their way, where they think several Narns are about to dock. Armstrong wants to arrest Sheridan. The music swells and becomes increasingly intense. The walks down the corridors slow as the music and tension rises. Then the dramatic badass walk as Sheridan, now joined by Ivanova, Garibaldi, and Franklin all take a turn in the corridor in perfect formation. That's a power walk, if I've ever seen one. If there was a movie-style trailer for Babylon 5, that shot would be in it.

Nightwatch makes it to Bay 8 ahead of Sheridan and his senior crew. The close-ups on Zack make you wonder what he's going to do. Then the doors shut on Bay 8 and Zack makes it out of there. He's on our side. Garibaldi tells him he did the right thing. That's a good thing because I'd have hated if Garibaldi had misplaced his trust yet again. I love it when Zack takes off the Nightwatch band. He was on the fence, now he's off. He represents hope that they can get other people to see the light, but one step at a time.

Then there's the bigger payoff. With virtually all of Nightwatch locked up in Bay 8, Sheridan tells them they're all under arrest for carrying out illegal orders since the Office of the President isn't the President and is thus outside the chain of command. The looks on Nightwatch's faces are priceless. Then it's revealed that the Narn will be replacing Nightwatch for Security. Franklin sarcasticallys says, "Londo's gonna love this!" and the look on his face would also be priceless.

Then G'Kar tells Sheridan that he wants in on the resistance Sheridan has. G'Kar's been hinting he knows, Sheridan's made his move against Clark, and now G'Kar's being bold with Sheridan. Since their interests align, I appreciate that Sheridan doesn't deny it after he knows that G'Kar knows, and instead says he'll talk it over with everyone else.

The Epilogue:
Even more of a page-turning ending. General Hague is killed and four out of the five ships on his side have been destroyed. The fifth is heading towards Babylon 5. Sheridan and Ivanova both know Earth will be coming after Babylon 5 next. Then the camera dramatically zooms out. A larger scale shot for a larger scale situation. This is the best cliffhanger of the series up to this point.

Overall:
Everything's really coming together now. New twists, new turns, and dangers on the horizon that everyone dreads. Everything is escalated to an all-time high. The icing on the cake is how accidentally timely watching this episode feels. What do I give this episode for a rating? Gee. What do you think? It's a 10!

Putting on the next episode shortly. Just taking a short break before getting into it again. Have to figure out what the meal is going to be for tonight as well.
 
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"Emissary"

Seeing the Saratoga fight the Borg and lose immediately shows how bleak the Battle of Wolf 359 was for Starfleet. Sisko looking at Jennifer's corpse, helpless to do anything, and barely escaping conveys a lot of raw emotion, accentuated with Sisko's glare as the Saratoga blows up. You immediately get why Sisko would harbor a lot of ill-will towards Picard, whether he was in control of his actions or not. The rational part of Sisko might understand, but the irrational part doesn't. Sisko is a much more emotional commander, less reserved, and more hands on. You can see it as soon as he leaves the bridge, and on his way to rescue Jake and as he tries to rescue Jennifer.

David Carson's direction already stands out less than 10 minutes in. I can see why he was chosen to direct the first TNG Movie. Very visceral and close-ups shots are used at the most character-driven beats, sometimes with angles facing upward, making them look more dramatic than just shooting straight ahead.

When we first see Odo and we first see the Shape-Shifter effect, it might not seem like a big deal now but, in January 1993, this was maybe a year-and-a-half after Terminator 2 hit theaters with the T-1000. And the effects with Odo were being done on a TV budget! For the time and the money they had, the effects were pretty damn impressive.
You nailed it here, and I agree.
Odo is no-nonsense.
Just like any police officer, on Earth or off of it, but with shapshifting powers. Of course, more will be revealed about him as the show progresses.
Quark is the best Ferengi up to this point in Star Trek. By a wide margin.
And there will be more depths to him revealed as the show progresses.
We already knew O'Brien from TNG, so he was like an anchor, going into this series.
As with the aboves mentioned first two, a lot more than what we saw on TNG will be revealed.
I know that DS9 was originally developed with Ro in mind, but I think Kira isn't like Ro. I think Kira is the opposite of Ro. Kira wears her emotions and frustrations on her sleeve. Ro like to repress everything, even though she really can't, has an attitude, and has a hard time opening up. Kira's right up front.
She's a better fit for DS9 that Ro was, IMHO.
Jake is just a normal 14-year-old boy. Which makes him the opposite of Wesley.
And that's the great and best thing about his character. Of course, more will be developed about him as the show progresses.

BTW, jake had his own line of novels featuring him and Nog in adventures.

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Nog is basically just a hooligan at this point.
Yep, but the gradual change in him over the seasons is something to behold.
And now the scene where Sisko first meets with Picard. I can see Sisko's point of view but, after my TNG re-watch and after having gotten to watch even more of Picard in PIC, I feel like I can see Picard's point of view too. Better than I could've before. After Picard says, "Dismissed" at the end, you can see his facial expressions, and you see the regret Picard still feels about Wolf 359. What can he say to this person? Sisko doesn't know Picard like those us who've watched TNG and PIC do.
What happens to Sisko in the wormhole changes how he feels about Picard at the end of the episode.
After the meeting, when Sisko blackmails Quark into becoming Community Leader, I loved that entire exchange. To quote Odo, "Seems reasonable. You have all the character references of a politician." "You are a liar and a thief." I get way, way, WAAYYY more out of that now than I did when this episode first aired. I was 13. But I love that line now!
Shows how better DS9 was in its first season than TNG was in its first.
One thing that definitely set Sisko apart from Kirk and Picard was that he was a father and raising his son. He was able to talk to Quark about Nog in a way that Kirk or Picard wouldn't have been able to. "I'm a father myself. I know what your brother must be going through. He belongs with his family, not in a cold jail cell." And when Sisko is able to manipulate Quark, that's when Odo starts to like Sisko. "You know, at first I didn't think I was going to like him." I actually had that thought about Odo at first. He sounded interesting on paper, then he seemed so gruff in his opening moments, but by the end of that scene, I started to like Odo.
As the show progresses, we're going to see a lot more to Odo and what/who his is than meets the eye.
Then we get to see more about Sisko being hands-on as he helps Kira clean wreckage on the Promenade. I love how Kira thinks that Sisko thinks he's above it all, and then Sisko shows he's not like that at all and his willing to get his hands dirty as well. I think this scene was meant to contrast DS9 with TNG. No one's above anything. There's a mess they have to clean up, figuratively and literally. This scene provides a nice bridge into the next scene as Sisko meets Kai Opaka. Kira expects the Bajoran Provisional Government to fall within a week, then Starfleet will be gone, and Civil War will break out. That's the mess. Kira tells Sisko about Opaka and how she can bring every faction together, thus preventing Civil War and bringing unity. So what does Sisko do? He goes to see Opaka. Clean the mess.
This makes him one of the best characters Star Trek ever came up with just for that aspect alone.
The temple Kai Opaka resides in looks very intricate. It looks impressive for 1993 TV. Sisko's pain, because he doesn't want to be on DS9, tells Kai Opaka what she needs to know that he's the Emissary. His experiences made him he person Bajor needs. What I remember from later on in DS9 is that a lot of Bajoran politicians are hungry for power. Kai Winn will be the most notorious case, but several others as well. Sisko, not actively seeking a role to lead, I think is what Kai Opaka sees in Sisko. He's not serving his own interests as the Emissary, which means he wouldn't be selfish about it, and no believing it's for him would mean he wouldn't let it get to his head.
I couldn't have said it better, myself. And yes, that was great set design for 1993.
When Sisko has his first Orb Experience, let me say this, I definitely have a different perspective on this scene NOW than as a teenager. Where do I begin? First, up front, I think this is a nice scene and I like it a lot, BUT Sisko is waaaayyyyy too forward with Jennifer. And way too fast! "Jennifer, have a lemonade!" "It's not every day you meet the woman you're going to marry!" "You're supposed to say yes!" Wow. He sure is sure of himself. ;) It's left to the viewer to decide if this is what actually happened or if this is Sisko knowing what he knows now and saying things he didn't with foreknowledge of what's to come. I like that it wasn't entirely clear. But one thing that is clear is the chemistry between Sisko and Jennifer. Then it's followed by a scene on the station where Sisko tells Jake, "I was just thinking how much you look like your mom." Putting those scenes next to each other enriches the context and makes you appreciate both that much more.
'Fortune favors the bold', Sisko said before a battle against the Dominion in Season Six, and that applies here; he saw a pretty gal, and he made himself known to her.
Speaking of sets that look impressive for 1993 TV. The Promenade! Unlike when we first see the Promenade in the episode, the next time we see it, after Quark decides to stay, his establishment is lit up and open for business! It's sort of like a Space Las Vegas. Maybe, maybe not, but you get the idea. The set is large, expansive, lots of contrast between the lights, and the Cardassian color-scheme, all the patrons (including Morn!) and the Dabo Table. Lots of ambiance. Lots of activity. The Promenade is about as different from Ten Forward as you can get. And about as far from Starfleet as you can get.
It's supposed to be like any shopping mall's center court, or town square, which is what the writers and designers were aiming for.
 
"Severed Dreams" (B5 S3E10)

Be forewarned. I do NOT shy away from having the opinions that I have. I don't mince words about where I stand.

I'm not going to lie, I don't like that General Hague died off-screen. But I like who's in command of the Alexander now. Major Ryan, and my first thought was, "That's the guy who played Captain Braxton!" I like the little detail that the male crew on the Alexander all have beard stubble. With the situation they've been in, under constant attack, who's had time to shave?

ISN reports that the Head of the Mars Government won't follow the Martial Law order on Mars imposed by President Clark. This makes me think of Governors of Blue States standing up to Trump sending the National Guard into their states. Yup, the Clark/Trump comparisons are going to be plentiful in this review.

As soon as the Alexander arrived through the jump-gate, Babylon 5 blacks out communication to Earth, Sheridan speaks to the crew defending the Alexander, and it feels like a true turning point in the series. Babylon 5's immediate enemy is now President Clark, who's turned Earth forces on them. Another touch that unintentionally resonates today is that Babylon 5 and the Alexander respect the Constitution, unlike the President who does whatever he wants willy-nilly. Anyone who stands up to him is fired, arrested, and charged with Treason. I wonder if Clark is on the 23rd Century version of Truth Social, ranting in the middle of the night?

The Churchill, an ally ship to the Alexander commanded by Captain Hiroshi, arrives at Babylon 5. The name Churchill is no accident. The Prime Minister of the United Kingdom during World War II. Just like I'm sure the Alexander was named for Alexander the Great. The Alexander, the Churchill, and Babylon 5 brace themselves for in an incoming all-out attack.

ICE Agents and National Guardsmen from Red States, oops sorry I mean Earth Forces, start attacking Mars, dropping bombs on them. Mars warns the Earth Forces, "Don't do it! We have women and children!," but they don't care. ISN reports that Earth will continue to attack them until they follow Martial Law.

That's insane. And all because of the news that was leaked about Clark. Clark is so stupid. Does he want to push Mars even further to fight for Independence and intentionally try to go to war with them? All this guy cares about his power and his ego. However many years ago it was, Santiago would have to have been totally blind when he chose Clark, of all people, to be his running mate. I feel like Clark must've been forced upon Santiago by the party establishment, especially if Clark didn't have the type of appeal where he'd be able to win an election on his own. Then he engineered a way to become President and is making all who oppose him suffer.

And let's not forget that ISN can't push back against Clark or they'll be taken off the air. They've probably also had to pay hefty amounts in fines because of anything they might've said that Clark didn't like. It wouldn't be much of a stretch, but anyway...

Then a reporter rushes into the ISN studio to interrupt the normal broadcast and reports that the outer-colonies have broken off their allegiance to the Earth Alliance, protesting the attack on Mars, and are declaring themselves independent states until President Clark is impeached. It took real guts for that reporter to report this, especially as armed troops move in on them. The newswoman who was supposed to be giving the original news report looks visibly uncomfortable next to him. Great low-key acting on the actress' part. The people on Babylon 5 watching this broadcast are horrified. Showing them watch the news, and seeing what's going on in the newsroom, it makes it really feel like something terrible on a large scale is happening and makes it feel like it's real while you're watching it. When gunfire is heard from within the studio, troops arrive, and ISN is taken off the air in real time, that's insane to watch.

Hiroshi tells Ryan, Sheridan, Ivanova, Garibaldi, and Franklin that Earth ships are on their way to Babylon 5 to arrest Sheridan, his command crew, and put Babylon 5 under Nightwatch's command, all per orders directly from President Clark himself. As everyone else talks, the camera stays on Sheridan as he takes all of this in and makes a decision that they'll make their stand on Babylon 5. It's a powerful moment when Sheridan, Ivanova, Garibaldi, and Franklin all agree one-by-one to fight instead of surrender.

Last episode, G'Kar had to convince the Narns to help Babylon 5. He didn't any problem getting the Narns to agree because they were already with him. This episode, it's Delenn's turn. She has to convince the Minbari to help Babylon 5. Except the Gray Council shuns her, so she has an uphill battle where she tells off those in the Council who refuse fight in the war against the Shadows. Delenn's speech is compelling enough that make makes the Religious and Worker Castes to leave the Council, dissolving it. The Warrior Caste think they have a monopoly on battle, so they were probably legitimately surprised that the Religious and Working Castes would help Delenn and Babylon 5. Essentially, Delenn manages to get two-thirds of the Minbari behind her. I have to wonder if the Warrior Caste secretly feels ashamed at all, or if their sheer arrogance prevents them being able to acknowledge anything Delenn is trying to tell them about the Shadows.

Back on the station in a scene-stealer, Sheridan is broadcast everywhere through a holoprojection -- thanks to Draal -- and tells everyone his response to Clark's violations of the Constitution; which include dissolving the Senate, declaring Martial Law, and bombing Martian civilians, just to keep track. Sheridan outright declares that Babylon 5 is seceding from the Earth Alliance and will remain independent until Clark has been removed from Office. It feels so exhilarating for Sheridan to break completely away from Clark. The background music during the scene is pitch-perfect. I'd say this was Sheridan's "Resist" moment, but it goes further than that, since he's no longer underneath Clark's thumb in any shape or form and, unlike Damar, doesn't have to go into hiding.

Sheridan says that anyone who wants to leave is free to do so, a few actually do, and it's a nice touch because it's realistic that not absolutely everyone would be onboard with what Sheridan's doing or would have the courage for it.

When the battle begins, the ship-to-ship and station combat looks on par with DS9 even though it's CGI instead of model work. What B5 does better than DS9 is troop combat, when soldiers are fighting in person. On DS9, specifically "The Way of the Warrior", the fighting looks one-sided, heavily titled in favor of the DS9 crew. On B5, the combat between soldiers looks on even ground, and everyone is using a firearm. No one brings a knife to a gunfight. Things get so intense that Sheridan tries to offer those fighting him to surrender so he can take prisoners instead of having to kill them. But, they don't care. They see Sheridan as an enemy of Clark's and thus an enemy of theirs. More Earth ships arrive and order Sheridan to surrender. For a moment it looks bad. There's doubt about what Sheridan is going to do, even though I never once thought it would be to surrender. You can see on Sheridan's face that he's running scenarios through his mind. Then that's when Delenn arrives with the cavalry. Four Minbari ships. She declares Babylon 5 under Minbari protection, threatens to battle them, and then the Earth forces turn back. An even-handed battle where Babylon 5 wins with help instead of all by itself, and then the camera pans across to show all the wounded on the ground, reminding the audience that this victory came at a price. Couldn't have been a better battle sequence!

After the dust settles, Babylon 5 takes on former fighters from Churchill and the surviving crew while the Alexander goes off to find other ships to ally with and take some of the heat off Babylon 5. I hope we see Major Ryan again. In a huge character moment, Sheridan decides not to put on his uniform again because he can't wear it with a clear conscience until Clark is out of power. Delenn tells Sheridan Babylon 5 is the only home both of them have left. They become closer than ever. And the episode ends with the people who stand with Sheridan applauding him. After everything they all went through, that ending feels well-earned.

Overall, this episode was quite the game-changer. If you put these last two episodes together, I could've easily imagined it as a Babylon 5 movie, because of how much the status quo shifted. I give this episode a 10.

It doesn't effect the rating, but I wish we could've seen General Hague, as I mentioned earlier. And I wish we could've seen President Clark. Having both of them in this episode and/or last would've added even more to what's already a great set of episodes. I'm guessing it all had to do with budget and only being able to fit so much into the episodes.

30 years ago, the TV stations must've had no idea what they had on their hands with this Babylon 5 episode. Back then, everything that happened in it would've seemed so unlikely. As opposed to today, where it looks like a glimpse into the way things could go in a possible future. And I don't mean the 23rd Century.

Some other moments worth mentioning:

Sheridan having a conversation with his father because he knows it's the last chance he'll get to for a while.

Londo complaining about Narn security, says they're inefficient, they need to be watched at all times. I feel like if this were Earth, Present Day, he'd be complaining about minorities. To put it very mildly. Maybe I should start calling Londo "Archie". ;)

This felt like quite the journey!
 
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Totally agree that this was a 10.


The reason Hague was killed offscreen was because Robert Foxworth was filming "HOMEFRONT"/"PARADISE LOST" at the same time this was being filmed. (There's even a blooper scene where Major Ryan says his agent double booked him for DS9.)

Also, TNT didn't get B5 until season 5. It aired on PTEN (chain of local syndication networks).

"SEVERED DREAMS" got B5 the Hugo Award (making it two years straight, since "THE COMING OF SHADOWS" was B5's first).


Remember when I said early in your B5 watch that Delenn had dialogue that I called possibly my favorite moment of hers? It's from here, and you'll likely know which line I'm referring to.
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The reason Hague was killed offscreen was because Robert Foxworth was filming "HOMEFRONT"/"PARADISE LOST" at the same time this was being filmed. (There's even a blooper scene where Major Ryan says his agent double booked him for DS9.)
I'm enough of a Babylon 5 fan now that I'm going to say that I think Robert Foxworth should've done the B5 episodes. As great as he was as Admiral Leyton, any guy in his 50s who seemed authoritative enough could've played Leyton. Foxworth is General Hague. Too bad they couldn't find a way to make things work, so he could do both. Like film scenes with him for "Point of No Return" or "Severed Dreams" after he was done with his DS9 episodes and then add them in where they'd belong.

"SEVERED DREAMS" got B5 the Hugo Award (making it two years straight, since "THE COMING OF SHADOWS" was B5's first).
"Severed Dreams" deserved it!

Remember when I said early in your B5 watch that Delenn had dialogue that I called possibly my favorite moment of hers? It's from here, and you'll likely know which line I'm referring to.
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Don't tell me it yet, but I'm thinking it's either with Sheridan at the end, or when she tells off the Grey Council. I'll look out for it on the next go-around, because I'm going to watch this episode again very soon, just for the Hell of it. I liked it that much.

But first I'm watching Jen Murray react to "All Good Things".

EDITED TO ADD: Who am I kidding? The line of dialogue is from during the Grey Council scenes for sure!
 
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Honestly, in the grand scheme of things, I don't know whether JMS had other plans and changed course or not, but Hague and really any support for Our Heroes from other humans never really amounted to much.It would have been weird not to show any resistance at all, but similarly to how JMS could have made more use of Keffer (and possibly good use) if he'd ever been more than instinctively resistant, it felt like Hague et al. basically played the smallest role they could without being entirely absent from the show.
 
I'm enough of a Babylon 5 fan now that I'm going to say that I think Robert Foxworth should've done the B5 episodes. As great as he was as Admiral Leyton, any guy in his 50s who seemed authoritative enough could've played Leyton. Foxworth is General Hague. Too bad they couldn't find a way to make things work, so he could do both. Like film scenes with him for "Point of No Return" or "Severed Dreams" after he was done with his DS9 episodes and then add them in where they'd belong.


"Severed Dreams" deserved it!


Don't tell me it yet, but I'm thinking it's either with Sheridan at the end, or when she tells off the Grey Council. I'll look out for it on the next go-around, because I'm going to watch this episode again very soon, just for the Hell of it. I liked it that much.

But first I'm watching Jen Murray react to "All Good Things".

EDITED TO ADD: Who am I kidding? The line of dialogue is from during the Grey Council scenes for sure!
I can you the Delenn line I am thinking is neither of the ones you mention.
 
"Be somewhere else."
Bingo. That entire bit when she is telling the Earthforce ships to back off.

"Only one human captain has ever survived battle with a Minbari fleet. He is behind me. You are in front of me. If you value your lives, be somewhere else."

Every time I see that, she gets applause from me. Best 'cavalry come riding in' line ever spoken anywhere.

Do NOT piss off Delenn.
 
"Be somewhere else."
Bingo. That entire bit when she is telling the Earthforce ships to back off.

"Only one human captain has ever survived battle with a Minbari fleet. He is behind me. You are in front of me. If you value your lives, be somewhere else."

Every time I see that, she gets applause from me. Best 'cavalry come riding in' line ever spoken anywhere.

Do NOT piss off Delenn.
That was a great line! I can't believe I didn't immediately think of that. I was spent after writing my review.

As far as Robert Foxworth not reprising his role, I've had a day to think about it and I guess -- from his point of view -- it makes sense why DS9 would take priority. As General Hague, he was strictly a supporting character to Sheridan's story. Whereas with Admiral Leyton, he was the main antagonist for the two-parter he was in. Admiral Leyton was the meatier role for him.
 
I know it was probably the choice of show that pissed off JMS most, but I still think it's sad he threw his toys out of the pram on the Foxworth thing.
 
It makes sense JMS killed Hague off rather than, say, put him in a coma. Gives a greater sense of importance and danger to the situation, which was already pretty high.

As far as Foxworth goes, it was probably nothing more than getting to be paid for two episodes rather just 1.
 
As far as Robert Foxworth not reprising his role, I've had a day to think about it and I guess -- from his point of view -- it makes sense why DS9 would take priority. As General Hague, he was strictly a supporting character to Sheridan's story. Whereas with Admiral Leyton, he was the main antagonist for the two-parter he was in. Admiral Leyton was the meatier role for him.
I think playing Leyton, at the expense of Hague, was a no-brainer. he acted alongside a lifelong friend, Rene Auberjonois. He could do one preparation for a character, but get paid for two episodes, which would be shot consecutively. Star Trek was the more prestigious production and had the higher profile. Guest stars on Trek were notoriously well compensated (especially because of overtime--see Bill Mumy's interviews). And filming took place in Hollywood, not a random location in the valley.
 
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