That is illogical.I also have a life outside of here.![]()
That is illogical.I also have a life outside of here.![]()
Your money cheerfully refunded if not satisfied....5 weeks without a Babylon 5 review? You're fired.
Oooooo!!!!!!!
Friendly dig! Frenemy dig? I'm at the beginning of B5's "There All the Honor Lies", and they're talking about selling merchandise to make money for the station to make it more self-sufficient. Then Ivanova said, "This isn't a Deep Space Franchise, this is about something!"
Shot across the bow!
Couldn't wait for the review to post about that!
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Sheridan: Will you go see if they have any baseball caps?
Ivanova reacts.
Sheridan: For my sister!
JMS wasted a lot of time wringing his hands over Star Trek.Oooooo!!!!!!!
Friendly dig! Frenemy dig? I'm at the beginning of B5's "There All the Honor Lies", and they're talking about selling merchandise to make money for the station to make it more self-sufficient. Then Ivanova said, "This isn't a Deep Space Franchise, this is about something!"
Shot across the bow!
Couldn't wait for the review to post about that!
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Sheridan: Will you go see if they have any baseball caps?
Ivanova reacts.
Sheridan: For my sister!
That episode was written by Peter David. (One of two, actually.) He wrote a bunch of STAR TREK novels.JMS wasted a lot of time wringing his hands over Star Trek.
Haven't we had this conversation before: the credited writers are not necessarily those who wrote every line, every word of a television screenplay.That episode was written by Peter David. (One of two, actually.) He wrote a bunch of STAR TREK novels.
True. But JMS was not handwringing about STAR TREK as much as a lot of the B5 fans were.Haven't we had this conversation before: the credited writers are not necessarily those who wrote every line, every word of a television screenplay.
Yes. Maybe. No? It definitely seems like something that a producer would insert, not a paid scriptwriter. Certainly JMS has not forgiven to this day whatever he thinks happened.True. But JMS was not handwringing about STAR TREK as much as a lot of the B5 fans were.
Otherwise, I doubt he would have been fine with casting Majel Barrett in "POINT OF NO RETURN".
That line from Ivanova is honestly just an inside joke for the fans of both franchises.
A different rationalization might be, if we can push the question of sentience aside, that the individuals we see are how the thinking program or technology interacts with the physical world. Voyager always makes clear that the Doctor is a manifestation of the programing, and that how the Doctor manifests affects those interactions. The human presentation means the Doctor not only gets human-like reactions, he does human-like things (loves, sings, etc.). The village in Shadowplay could be the same, just multiple manifestations, not one.^ I only put spoiler-code in for B5 episodes. When I started the DS9 Re-Watch Thread, I wanted to watch B5 too, so I could finally have an opinion on the DS9 vs. B5 Debate. I'd been putting it off for 30 years.
But some people aren't here for B5, and maybe haven't even seen it, so I keep the B5 stuff in spoiler code, just so it's easier to separate DS9 from B5 in this thread, for readability... and just in case anyone reading this, on off-chance, hasn't seen B5 yet, but wants to.
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For "Shadowplay", I don't think the villagers see themselves as not being real, just like I don't think The Doctor from Voyager doesn't think of himself as not being real. They would rationalize it as, "Of course I'm real! I have thoughts. I see and hear things! I'm real." They'd just beware of never leaving the village, so they don't "die".
I'm glad they didn't dwell on this too much, because then it would've been re-hash of the Moriarty episodes from TNG, and we didn't need to see all of that explained in-depth yet again. Especially not while TNG was still on the air, which it was at the time this episode was made.
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