Re-doing Voyager
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I consider Voyager itself the redo.
Of the Odyssey. (Of course, the story is made interesting again by tweaking the details).
Of the Odyssey. (Of course, the story is made interesting again by tweaking the details).
Oh boy, lets see....
1)The obvious first; fully exploit the premise, have things matter, no reset button, give the viewer really the idea that these people are stranded in unknown territory.
2) A Serialized nature with strong continuity
3) No Harry Kim. Or rather have Harry and have him die pretty early.
4) Suspiria becomes the central villain, manipulating the Delta Quadrant to act hostile towards Voyager
5) Kes stays and develops her psionic abilities until she is a match for Suspiria.
6) Have Tuvoks original concept as the aged Vulcan who is everybody's mentor and confidant.
7) Replace Neelix with a sort of Space Rogue type character, possibly also replacing Tom (since the two characters would be too similar/redundant)
8) Tension between Janeway and Chakotay (and the Starfleet/Marquis parts of the crew)
9) Still have Seven, but have her ark of reclaiming her humanity advance gradually, from org Drone to individual.
10) Have more Marquis as main characters.
11) This will be unpopular but...no EMH, hated that guy. We get a medical officer I don't want to punch.
12) Proper arcs and character development for everyone
13) The Year of Hell actually lasts a year and there's no reset button.
1)The obvious first; fully exploit the premise, have things matter, no reset button, give the viewer really the idea that these people are stranded in unknown territory.
2) A Serialized nature with strong continuity
3) No Harry Kim. Or rather have Harry and have him die pretty early.
4) Suspiria becomes the central villain, manipulating the Delta Quadrant to act hostile towards Voyager
5) Kes stays and develops her psionic abilities until she is a match for Suspiria.
6) Have Tuvoks original concept as the aged Vulcan who is everybody's mentor and confidant.
7) Replace Neelix with a sort of Space Rogue type character, possibly also replacing Tom (since the two characters would be too similar/redundant)
8) Tension between Janeway and Chakotay (and the Starfleet/Marquis parts of the crew)
9) Still have Seven, but have her ark of reclaiming her humanity advance gradually, from org Drone to individual.
10) Have more Marquis as main characters.
11) This will be unpopular but...no EMH, hated that guy. We get a medical officer I don't want to punch.
12) Proper arcs and character development for everyone
13) The Year of Hell actually lasts a year and there's no reset button.
That's why I wrote it will be an unpopular opinion, however it is still my opinion and you just stating your opinion like a fact, when it is really just a differing opinion (and without giving reasons that might cause me to see the character differently) will do nothing to change my point of view.
To me he was just as annoying as Neelix, from his opera singing to his self-fellation via his Stepfrod family to his solipsistic holo-novel.
I used to think similarly about Data when I was a child, before warming up to his incredibly sweet, innocent nature. With the Doctor I can see, as of now, nothing likeable.
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I really like those ideas! Sounds like a kind of more `home-grown`, Season 1-3, less-generic Voyager.
Well, except that perhaps I´d like to have made Harry a very interesting character first, and then make him die. Also, I really like the doctor, but I can understand that perhaps he wouldn't fit in your 'redo' concept of voyager....
Well if you note I said Robert Picardo as the EMH was one of the best things about VOY. There is a difference between the character and the actor, sure you might or might not like the character but as an actor Robert Picardo was the best actor on the show (opinions might vary).
Sure at times the EMH could be annoying, but the same can be said of many characters. But in many respects he was the outsider character of the show. And yes at times the show did focus too much on him as well as Janeway and Seven.
Sure at times the EMH could be annoying, but the same can be said of many characters. But in many respects he was the outsider character of the show. And yes at times the show did focus too much on him as well as Janeway and Seven.
Well, I've done this a few times so I'll post the latest version soon as the prologue is done.
Basically, I'd drop the entire "We know where we are and how to get back" part of the plot and make them truly lost. That justifies them stopping to investigate stuff because...well, they don't know how to get home in the first place.
I'd drop the Maquis/Fleeter tensions after a season or so, because that's all that plot is good for. The Maquis and Fleeters weren't even real enemies to begin with, to say nothing of how their whole reason for fighting is now a lifetime away. What's the point of keeping up the fight when they didn't even hate each other?
The whole Reset Button thing is overblown, especially considering that shows like NuBSG DID do the reset button themselves. So yeah, there's nothing wrong with trying to maintain some kind of status quo (if the ship gets damaged, then they can fix it back to standard without much hassle).
Probably make the seasons shorter. Like 13 episodes each instead of 22.
I'd also trim the cast a bit. TOS got by with only 3 Central characters, and even with their big Galactic War story DS9 still had useless Central characters.
The Central cast should be Janeway, Chakotay, Tuvok, the Doctor and Paris. Torres, Kim, Kes and Neelix can be recurring Secondaries.
You know why shows like Game of Thrones and stuff can be as serial as they are? Because their seasons are shorter, so it's easier to keep stuff straight and not drag plots on beyond their stretching point.
Anywho I'll post my redo soon.
Basically, I'd drop the entire "We know where we are and how to get back" part of the plot and make them truly lost. That justifies them stopping to investigate stuff because...well, they don't know how to get home in the first place.
I'd drop the Maquis/Fleeter tensions after a season or so, because that's all that plot is good for. The Maquis and Fleeters weren't even real enemies to begin with, to say nothing of how their whole reason for fighting is now a lifetime away. What's the point of keeping up the fight when they didn't even hate each other?
The whole Reset Button thing is overblown, especially considering that shows like NuBSG DID do the reset button themselves. So yeah, there's nothing wrong with trying to maintain some kind of status quo (if the ship gets damaged, then they can fix it back to standard without much hassle).
Probably make the seasons shorter. Like 13 episodes each instead of 22.
I'd also trim the cast a bit. TOS got by with only 3 Central characters, and even with their big Galactic War story DS9 still had useless Central characters.
The Central cast should be Janeway, Chakotay, Tuvok, the Doctor and Paris. Torres, Kim, Kes and Neelix can be recurring Secondaries.
You know why shows like Game of Thrones and stuff can be as serial as they are? Because their seasons are shorter, so it's easier to keep stuff straight and not drag plots on beyond their stretching point.
Anywho I'll post my redo soon.
I like this.
Embrace that Janeway was experiencing psychological problems, and that this was the reason for her inconsistent behavior.
Have Chakotay refuse to have the Marquis enter Starfleet, but agree that they would "work passage" back to the alpha quad. Janeway was in command. The Marquis would have "non-scruffy" uniforms of their own. There would be some conflict, but never a mutiny.
Kes would break up with Neelix openly towards the end of the first season, they were in shared quarters and she moves out. Neelix is less than happy about it, but doesn't angst for more than a few episodes.
Kes would never leave the ship, nor acquire more than light weigh mental powers, she ages rapidly and dies in Voyager's sixth season.
Kes and Seven become friend, it's Kes (along with the Doctor) who help guide Seven. In season five they become lovers.
Harry makes Lt (jg) at some point.
Chakotay is from a actual Native American people, and practices a actual Native American religion. Seriously, just pick one.
Agreed and then some!
It's not the fact that they were stranded, it was the actions they took while being stranded. Janeway basically wanted them to still explore while trying to find a way home. No, Kathy, you and your crew are not obligated to explore shit. Your original mission was to find Chakotay's ship, not to explore anything. You're obligated to get the ship back to the Alpha Quadrant, period. And because the audience already knows that won't happen for 7 years/seasons, then that point is also moot. This is where VOY messed up right off the bat. The whole "get back home" thing and the "let's explore this place where we're not even supposed to be" thing needed to be dropped ASAP. The crew should have accepted that they are stuck and will never get home, and to acclimate to whatever part of the Delta Quadrant they were stuck in instead of flying aimlessly around not knowing where they'd end up. That way the writers could have created a whole new Trek "pocket" universe instead of the usual planet-of-the-week crap that they ended up doing.
Well, yes.
I never actually had much of a problem with Harry, although his character should have been more of a "fish out of water" type based on the circumstances. He could actually have been a great character, an inexperienced youth thrown into a situation he didn't expect and ended up growing up a lot faster than he thought. But that didn't happen.
Disagree. If Suspiria was to be used at all, she should have been used in the final episode, if the intention was to have Voyager return home. That would have nicely bookended with the pilot episode.
Agreed. Sorry Tim Russ, but I never bought that you were supposed to be this aged Vulcan mentor. That's not really his fault of course, since they originally wanted a Robert Guillaume-type persona and for some reason ended up with Russ instead.
I like that idea. But then again, pretty much anything would be an improvement from what we got.
Also, as far as "space rogues" go, I would also have preferred the Kazon to be more like they were originally envisioned, as space pirates instead of second-rate Klingons.
Nah, maybe a little bit of that, but eventually that would get old, since as someone before said, the point of the conflict is now moot.
No 7 of 9. No Borg, for that matter.
Yeah, that would have been a good idea. Even if their conflict is now moot, these people are not Starfleet, and therefore could have been anyone. Imagine a group of decidedly nonmilitary people now in charge of shipboard operations on what is essentially a military vessel?
I liked the EMH, but of course that was probably because of Picardo's acting.
Yep.
Really, the Year of Hell was only good for the two episodes it was in. Having a whole season of that, and then having a reset button for it, would just have been wrong and a waste of the viewer's time. But not having a reset button at the end of the season would be even worse, because by then the entire crew would be suffering from PTSD and that would be a shitty show indeed.
I don't like the YOH idea. I liked the roughing part but honestly, I liked the campy stuff because real life is hard enough and secondly, that ship was so 
at the end before reset it wouldn't carry them to season 5. Maybe week of hell or summer of hell and it's repaired with new allies or whatever.
at the end before reset it wouldn't carry them to season 5. Maybe week of hell or summer of hell and it's repaired with new allies or whatever.
I don't like the YOH idea. I liked the roughing part but honestly, I liked the campy stuff because real life is hard enough and secondly, that ship was so
No one cared when Fringe reset itself in Season 3.
If I could re-do Voyager:
-Put Elizabeth Shelby in command of Voyager.
-Put Ro Laren as the Maquis leader.
-Probably make Kim a Cardassian.
-More conflict between the Maquis and the Starfleet officers. It would take seasons for the Maquis to put on Starfleet uniforms, if they ever did.
-Making the Vidiians the main villains early on instead of the Kazon.
-More Species 8472. Not turning them into shape shifters or Boothby.
-Not so many Borg episodes.
-No Borg children.
-Put Elizabeth Shelby in command of Voyager.
-Put Ro Laren as the Maquis leader.
-Probably make Kim a Cardassian.
-More conflict between the Maquis and the Starfleet officers. It would take seasons for the Maquis to put on Starfleet uniforms, if they ever did.
-Making the Vidiians the main villains early on instead of the Kazon.
-More Species 8472. Not turning them into shape shifters or Boothby.
-Not so many Borg episodes.
-No Borg children.
Introduction
The Series Premiere would be the season finale. We’d be introduced to various characters that have already formed rivalries, friendships and romances amongst themselves; Established characters already well into their stories.
The episode itself would be:
-VOY is fighting one of the massive Kazon Carrier ships engaged in an all-out attack to keep VOY from leaving the Periphery/Wasteland and making it to The Central Core. The Carriers usually don't fight even though they're the best armed Kazon vessels because they have families, children and other non-combatants living on them (they serve as mobile “Homeworlds” to define Kazon space) but they thought there was no other choice but to use its heavy weaponry.
Voyager has it badly damaged, and Janeway is faced with a choice:
-Destroy it even though she knows there's more non-combatant Kazon on it than combatants
OR
- Just running away.
Tuvok tells her that if they don't destroy it, it'll transmit their coordinates and likely they'll face all the Kazon in the area in a swarm attack before they leave the Periphery/Wasteland, and they can't survive with the damage they've taken. So Janeway gives the order to destroy the ship.
Janeway leaves for her quarters to retire for the night. Chakotay stops by her quarters to tell her that she's gained more respect from the Maquis and proven to be at least a capable captain to the last of her detractors in the Fleet crew. With entry to the more stable Central Core things seem to be getting better.
The last scene would of her making a log entry of how "today I got lucky, I destroyed an Key enemy vessel and did major damage to the Kazons’ pretense of an Empire...I probably killed a lot of Kazon who weren't soldiers...families…children...and I've been congratulated for it. Maybe I'll get luckier, next time I could destroy more ships and kill more people..." with her trailing off after that.
As she falls asleep the entire scene would flashback with a caption reading “One year ago” with Lt Cmdr Janeway, recently promoted science officer of the Starship Voyager arriving at Earth for the beginning of her current mission. Thus the second episode onwards would be the beginning of a season long flashback to explain how things got to the point they were in the first episode.
The Series Premiere would be the season finale. We’d be introduced to various characters that have already formed rivalries, friendships and romances amongst themselves; Established characters already well into their stories.
The episode itself would be:
-VOY is fighting one of the massive Kazon Carrier ships engaged in an all-out attack to keep VOY from leaving the Periphery/Wasteland and making it to The Central Core. The Carriers usually don't fight even though they're the best armed Kazon vessels because they have families, children and other non-combatants living on them (they serve as mobile “Homeworlds” to define Kazon space) but they thought there was no other choice but to use its heavy weaponry.
Voyager has it badly damaged, and Janeway is faced with a choice:
-Destroy it even though she knows there's more non-combatant Kazon on it than combatants
OR
- Just running away.
Tuvok tells her that if they don't destroy it, it'll transmit their coordinates and likely they'll face all the Kazon in the area in a swarm attack before they leave the Periphery/Wasteland, and they can't survive with the damage they've taken. So Janeway gives the order to destroy the ship.
Janeway leaves for her quarters to retire for the night. Chakotay stops by her quarters to tell her that she's gained more respect from the Maquis and proven to be at least a capable captain to the last of her detractors in the Fleet crew. With entry to the more stable Central Core things seem to be getting better.
The last scene would of her making a log entry of how "today I got lucky, I destroyed an Key enemy vessel and did major damage to the Kazons’ pretense of an Empire...I probably killed a lot of Kazon who weren't soldiers...families…children...and I've been congratulated for it. Maybe I'll get luckier, next time I could destroy more ships and kill more people..." with her trailing off after that.
As she falls asleep the entire scene would flashback with a caption reading “One year ago” with Lt Cmdr Janeway, recently promoted science officer of the Starship Voyager arriving at Earth for the beginning of her current mission. Thus the second episode onwards would be the beginning of a season long flashback to explain how things got to the point they were in the first episode.
I think they should have added some counterbalance. Since people from the crew would be killed, they would have to pick up some aliens and make them part of the crew, instead of people getting killed and the ship remaining miraculously fully staffed.
