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Rate Star Trek: Nemesis on a scale of 1-10

Rate Star Trek: Nemesis


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SomniumRabidum

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One of the most shocking things I've noticed since coming to this forum has been the incredible hatred people have for this movie.

Best ST movie ever? Um, no....

Best possible way to end the TNG saga? Certainly not....

WORST MOVIE EVER MADE? Definitely not.


I thought it was pretty good actually, I enjoyed it. I think everyone set their hopes unreasonably high and lost sight of the fact that it's just a damn movie. Not everything can be 100% accurate and fit with the Trekkie version of reality.

So yeah, what did you guys think? On a scale of 1-10 where did this movie fall for you, and why?
 
This should be in another category :P.

But on topic, it's a solid 7 for me.
 
Its not the worst of the trek films i think that honer goes to ST5.
But the story was pretty weak with two many plot holes.
 
1 - I know that seems very harsh. But I thought about it, and there really is no other way I can rate this. Honestly speaking, there was not a single thing I enjoyed about this movie.

I went into this film with very, VERY low expectations. I couldn't stand INS, and I found ENT as well as VOY to be pretty awful. Suffice it to say, the name Star Trek didn't seem very promising at the time. So it's not as though I was hoping for too much, I'd say.

I have a wide spectrum of problems with this film that cover just about every area. I thought the story was pretty contrived and not very interesting. The whole idea behind the Picard clone as well as B4 just don't seem to make much sense to me.

I also found some of the characters to be pretty much out of character. I don't mind the fact that Starfleet has a dune buggy (though I'm not really sure why they'd need one). But I have to honestly say that Picard just didn't feel like Picard at all in those scenes to me. The same goes for him in the wedding scenes, where I felt he was bordering on being unwatchable.

On a broader level, the film really makes me wonder why this is supposed to be the flagship or the top crew in Starfleet, for that matter. How naively or stupidly (take your pick) they deal with finding B4 ("Yeah, let's just re-activate him. It's not like there've ever been bad Data clones...") is, for me, beyond comprehension.

This, again, connects with the more than troubled story in that it hinges on so many unlikely things to happen for Shinzon's plan to work. If the setup alone is this troubled, that's usually a very bad sign IMHO.

Another problem I had was that I felt the actor who played Shinzon was nothing like Stewart. I can see why they picked him. He does have some similar physical traits, but that's really just not enough to make it believable, I think. As a consequence, I never even once had the feeling we were seeing Picard facing off with a younger and alternative version of himself (which could indeed have been interesting).

Speaking of being out of character, I really don't buy into the Romulans being fooled by Shinzon like that. I suppose one could argue that the Tal Shiar was severely weakened in the Dominion war. But still it seems to me as though the Romulans we'd come to know over the years would have put a stop to a guy like this much, much sooner.

What also bothered me a lot about the film was Data's death. I well and truly felt absolutely nothing when he bit the dust. I think it was simply badly handled in the film and seemed absolutely needless. Plus any possible gravitas the death itself might of had was pretty much killed by how B4 seemed to be set up as a replacement.

The effects IIRC were good. But the action set pieces they were used for didn't really do anything for me. The same goes for things like the Riker fight scene where he's rather conveniently separated from everyone else so they can have a mano a mano.

In addition, none of the humor worked for me. As was indicating above, I felt the wedding scene was just terrible. As was anything else that was probably supposed to be funny.

I'm a big fan of film music, so I usually tend to look out for the music in a film and remember the films where the music impressed me. This is not one of them. That's not saying the music was bad. It just didn't stick in my mind whatsoever.

That's all I can really think of right now. I can honestly say I didn't enjoy anything about this film. I'm not sure it's the worst movie ever out there (probably not), but I certainly wouldn't consider it even close to 'good'. As a consequence, all I could really go with was "1".

Also, I have to say that I'd take TFF over this film any day. I do think TFF is a pretty bad film. But at least there's some fun in it here and there. And some of the bad parts are enjoyable for their cheesiness. NEM, on the other hand, IMHO is just bad as in bad, with nothing to make watching it any fun at all.

If people enjoy NEM, that's fine with me. I simply didn't.
 
I rated it a 3. Pretty bad. The script was a mess, Baird's direction was uninspired, Baird's editing was awful, and the actors didn't really seem interested in the material (for obvious reasons).
 
3

A near-total mess, IMHO.

Very disappointing way for TNG to go out.

I've heard many of the stars talk at conventions about making the film. Sounds like it was almost as bad as watching it.
 
Sorry for putting this in the wrong forum :(
No worries. There are some here on the TrekBBS who believe that this film isn't really Star Trek at all. :p



Me, I'd give it a fair 6/10 - it has its moments, and I'd still watch it i it was on TV, but it's no Wrath of Khan. :)
 
The whole movie was a giant mess with one hell of an akward plot with more holes in than Swiss Cheese. The timeline of Picard being cloned did not make sense or why they choose him at that time. B-4 even being around was proof of how the plot made no sense and was a cheap move o keep data around after killing him off though I have no real problem with Data dying. The battle scenes were slow off balanced and lacked any sort of real direction. The main problem with the movie was it was just so boring it is way worser than TFF which I rank 9th and the only issues that movie had are easily fixed by making Sybock not related to Spock or at the msot a cousin and moving the barrier away from the centre of the galaxy to make sense.


NEM is bad.
 
Gave it a 3. Not the movie I would show to get people to watch Trek, plus at most I'd probably only sit through a third of the movie and skip the rest.
 
The problem I have with Nemesis is that as a long term Star Trek fan who has seen every episode and film multiple times, read the Encyclopedia and the Chronology from cover to cover over and over again, contributed to Memory Alpha and spent a lot of time talking about Star Trek on the Internet I found the continuity errors just glaring.

Stuart Baird's editing is atrocious, this is made worse by the fact that he's an editor first and a director second. When you see him talk about the film, he just says that given the choice he'd make the film even shorter.

Worf is suddenly back in Starfleet, Wesley is just sitting there in the background with no explanation, Data's emotion chip disappears. There's a decent science fiction story about nature vs nurture in there somewhere trying to get out but instead we get stupid car chases and detecting faint traces of positronic life from light years away.
 
Wow. I wonder of these people voting it as bad, liked Star Trek V.
Yes, I do. :)

Where Nemesis is merely utter rubbish, Star Trek V is entertaining and has some very nice character scenes.
 
Wow. I wonder of these people voting it as bad, liked Star Trek V.

Star Trek V beats Nemesis easily. Apart from the whole Spock has a brother thing, it doesn't have anything that stands out as quite as much as the wunderkind Wesley Crusher sitting in the background with no explanation.
 
Wow. I wonder of these people voting it as bad, liked Star Trek V.

Yes, I liked Star Trek V better than Nemesis. Not that STV was great or anything. But it had some good character moments, and Kirk's "I need my pain" speech was excellent.
 
I gave it 5/10 middle of the road film, middle of the road rating. I'd probably rate 5 and Nem similarly, to be honest.
 
I enjoyed it in the theatre, while simultaneously realizing the hardcore trek fans were going to friggin' hate it. It has plenty of problems (continuity errors, odd characterizations, plot oddities and pacing issues), but the SFX were great, I enjoyed the interplay between Shinzon and Picard and I could see the real potential of the story. I had fun thinking up how to rewrite it to make it really cool. I've watched it several times since and still like it well enough.

7 sounds about right. For reference, I enjoy pretty much all of the movie franchise:

TMP - 8
TWOK - 10
TSFS - 7
TVH - 7
TFF - 4
TUC - 10

GEN - 5
FC - 10
INS - 6

Most are meh to just OK, a few are awesome and only a couple were really disappointing.
 
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