Rate Star Trek: Nemesis on a scale of 1-10

[Holdfast]

2. And I'm being generous by giving it an extra point for the Senate stuff at the start.

TFF is a pretty solid movie - I enjoyed it, mostly, though it's not brilliant. Generations I think is a greatly undervalued movie; it has some clever, subtle, touches throughout. One or two little changes in the battle scene between the Enterprise and the BOP and it would probably be my favourite Trek movie (as it is, it's in my top 4 or 5). Really, all the Trek movies are at least watchable to good ... apart from Nemesis (and the second half of Insurrection). Nemesis is easily the worst.

 

[Amaris]

2. And I'm being generous by giving it an extra point for the Senate stuff at the start.

TFF is a pretty solid movie - I enjoyed it, mostly, though it's not brilliant. Generations I think is a greatly undervalued movie; it has some clever, subtle, touches throughout. One or two little changes in the battle scene between the Enterprise and the BOP and it would probably be my favourite Trek movie (as it is, it's in my top 4 or 5). Really, all the Trek movies are at least watchable to good ... apart from Nemesis (and the second half of Insurrection). Nemesis is easily the worst.

My sentiments exactly. TFF is my favorite movie, but it's because of the character interactions, which were spot on and brilliant. Oh, and the soundtrack. Love the soundtrack.

J.

 

[Yoda]

1. There is nothing good in it. At all.

 

[Daneel]

I'm amazed that this thread is on page 3 and still hasn't been moved to the Trek Movies forum... but I suppose this has allowed for a greater sampling of the BBS to vote on it, since I'm sure there are a number of posters who don't go into that forum too often.

 

[LutherSloan]

3.

Why isn't this in the ST Movies section?

 

[cardinal biggles]

^Because it's so easy to buy off mrcoaster.

 

[JediKnightButler]

Despite some glaring continuity issues (Did Baird do any research on Romulans, Data, Lore, Dr. Soong?), I actually thought the movie was overall pretty good. My favorite TNG-era movie is and probably always will be "First Contact" but "Nemesis" was my second favorite TNG movie, mostly because of stellar special effects, score, and I felt like things actually "happened" in it, whereas I felt like "Generations" and "Insurrection" were more or less extended TV episodes (although some pretty significant things did happen in "Generations", of course). My biggest complaint about the movie is how it was edited. After watching the deleted scenes, I'm convinced that they took WAY too much out and that including some of those scenes would've made the movie better, particularly the conversation between Picard and Data ("Chateau"), and ESPECIALLY the scene introducing the new First Officer and the last-minute prank that Riker pulls on him.

 

[Pindar]

A generous 3, and only for the good bits they cherry picked from the previous films.

 

[ThunderAeroI]

I think its an ok movie when viewed by itself, the problem is two fold:

a). it was very different then the previous films, the action was corny the plot was retarded and data died.

b). As a final TNG film it really bothers me we ended with Nemesis and they coundlt have used Lore.

My single correction to Nemesis would be to have had the enemy be Lore and focus the movie around that. It would have changed everything! Would it have killed them to pay Brent another 1/2 of his salary?

 

[TheArsenal]

Any big screen Trek gets an automatic +2.

So this brings Nemesis all the way up to 4.

 

[LitmusDragon]

"3"

My biggest gripes about the film (other than it not being very good) are a) the Picard-clone antagonist who looks nothing like Picard b) the dune buggy c) Data's faux-death and resurrection as B4 who is essentially the same character with a stupid name

 

[Bisz]

4

Just a terrible movie. Contrived plot, bad writing, wooden dialogue, stupid science, unfunny jokes, caricature villain, and on and on and on.

 

[Icemizer]

2 Why is your head shiney?

 

[OptimusPete]

Not everything can be 100% accurate and fit with the Trekkie version of reality.

I dunno if you can't expect a STAR TREK movie to fit in with the trekkie version of reality what can you?

 

[archeryguy1701]

After 40+ years of "canon" to work with, I think most standards of "fitting" would be too much to ask. Something will violate something else unless you manage to make a movie completely unrelated to any other known event, character or specie in the entire series.

 

[Yoda]

After 40+ years of "canon" to work with, I think most standards of "fitting" would be too much to ask. Something will violate something else unless you manage to make a movie completely unrelated to any other known event, character or specie in the entire series.

Boo hoo, if they can't handle a little continuity then maybe they shouldn't do Star Trek.

I mean, the continuity was a shit sandwich. The movie itself, aside from any continuity issues was a shit sandwich too. Realistically this poll needs a rating of 0 to pick from, since 1 implies that the movie had some value.

 

[Starkers]

I'd give it 4/10, it does get more enjoyable the longer it goes on, but the dune buggie bits are just terrible. Never mind that a bunch of starfleet officers go down to a pre warp civilisation and start running around blazing away with phasers, but why have a dune buggy anyway! There used to be a site that listed all the problems with Nemesis, my favourite was the fact that Shinzon (you know the guy with just a few days to live unless he gets hold of Picard) decides to sit in his cloaked ship for a day with Picard right in front of him? What is this, just to psyche Picard out?

There are a few good bits. The battle with the Scimitar, especially Picard's novel tactics! and Worf (as always) his hungover scene is probably the best bit of the wedding (even if we know Worf can hold his booze better than that) I liked the jokes about the Betazoid wedding as well. On the whole though it's just a bad film, probably the worst because Generations has far more redeeming features.

 

[TheSeeker]

I gave it a six just because I was more entertained than not by it, but just barely.

I seem to remember some of the actors complaining about Baird's complete lack of knowledge of TNG and trying to get them to act out of character. I think if we had been given a director who at least knew TNG we might have seen a better end product.

The doppelganger of Picard/Data storyline was a dumb idea and is by far my biggest problem with the movie.

 

[FPAlpha]

A 3 but onlz because of the high production values.

I have many problems with the movie and the least is the uninspiring main story.. villain with a connection to the main cast wants to use superweapon to destroy Earth. Seen that a million times already.

Where it really begins to unravel is the details and i'm aware that most of them would only be problems for fans but you're posting it in a Trek board so here goes:

- Janeway is an Admiral.. really? If i recall correctly the Voyager was her first command or at least she wasn't a captain for long before getting the Voyager. She zips around the Delta Quadrant for 7 years, returns and gets her Admiral uniform? Gimme a break..

- Romulans actually letting a human command their fleets? Gimme a bigger break! Romulans are on of the most xenophobic races out there.. there's no way in hell they would let an alien command their ships.

- If the Remans are so oppressed how come they can muster up the manpower, ressources and knowledge to build a unique, big ass starship that has qualities and capabilities none other has including the Romulans who have entire development divisions working on new ship types and technologies.

- they didn't even bother explaining why Worf is there to begin with..

- and here comes the kicker.. B4. Another Data android again?? Did Soong have a factory somewhere and told the shipping agent to scatter the product all across the galaxy? And the Enterprise being able to spot its brain across lightyears? Wtf?
And the real insult is that they used B4 as a blatant possible replacement for Data which cheapens his sacrifice and in fact makes the entire scene pointless.
This was a cool business decision in case there's another TNG movie and i hate these reset button decisions with a passion.

All considered it is a very bad movie and was just a culmination of the decline of the entire franchise which for me began with Voyager years ago.

I'm really curious about the Abrams movie (will see it on the 9th) and if it can reenergize the whole franchise and breathe in some much needed fresh air and ideas.

 

[Starkers]

FPALPHA, pretty much agree with you on all points bar 2.

Worf- He was there for the wedding and was on his way to Betazed for the second wedding- actually made more sense than his appearance in Ins.

Janeway- Making her an Admiral smacks of politics. Captain who just brought her crew home from the other side of the galaxy, making her an Admiral is good PR if nothing else.

The Earth thing annoys me greatly. Shinzon's been treated like dirt by Romulans his entire life, but oh no it's Earth he hates! Never mind the fact of a galaxy wide multiple world/species organisation being so reliant on one fekkin planet!