I'm a pretty open-minded guy when it comes to sexuality and pornography and the like, but if someone told me that they got off on rape fantasies, I would be repulsed by the idea. If that makes me judgmental, then so be it, I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. It doesn't mean I think they're all going to commit rape, but I just don't understand what makes that appealing and can't separate the fantasy from the aftermath of rape in my mind.
You'd probably have to ask one of them what the appeal is. "Control" is about the only thing I can think of. But then what makes urinating and/or defecating on someone sexually appealing? Why do furries get off on the idea of doing it with anthropomorphic animals?
I don't know if I can articulate the differences between rape-based fantasy games and murder-simulators in a non-hypocritical way, but it's just different to me.
Conservatives hate sex and liberals hate violence, but on rape they tend to agree because that's where sex and violence meet. That's my theory anyway...
There's no more personal a violation than a rape in my eyes, and this game just seems to be setting out to be as offensive as humanly possible as a gimmick.
Personally I find it amusing, but then I think a game where you play a tentacle monster would make it hilarious.
Gimmicky shit doesn't usually appeal to me. While I have owned a couple of the GTA games, in general I'm not a big fan of games that set out to glorify murder as their entire reason for being either.
PETA needs to make an Urban Hunter game, that would be funny.
I don't think it should be banned by a government, but pressure or no pressure, I've got no problem whatsoever with Amazon pulling it from their site. If I had a business I wouldn't want it associated with that either. And if Wal-Mart wants to alter the lyrics or content of the DVDs and CDs they sell (with the permission of the artist and/or label and notification of the buyer), so be it. I have the choice to not purchase those items from them, which I exercise.
In my opinion the latter is something that should be an excuse rather than the former. As in I think if someone finds something offensive, they are free not to buy it. Naturally they're free to whine about how they don't like it too, but I find it lame when a company self-sensors because of a bunch of whining whiners.
I'm sorry, but if you found out the next door neighbor had a bunch of secretly taken pictures of your wife hung up in his house, you wouldn't get creeped out by it and possibly consider moving? Just because not all fantasies are acted upon doesn't mean you shouldn't show some concern for the situation either.
Except in that example it's something that personally affects me, whereas a rape game doesn't.
Why is someone fantasizing about kiddie porn (and possibly not following through on those fantasies) a strawman argument in a topic about fantasizing about something equally illegal and forced upon someone else? Seems perfectly relevant to me.
It doesn't to me, mainly because I see the argument in the same light as I see someone comparing something to Hitler of Nazis because they think that will win the argument for them. I think very low of the Helen Lovejoy's of the world.
Most sexual fantasies involve a willing partner. Rape fantasies, while possibly involving a willing partner pretending to be unwilling if taken to their fullest (legal) extent, are all about enjoying the act of forcing others or being forced against your will. It's about having total power over someone or having that power completely stripped away. The sexual part is secondary at best (since you can just as easily fantasize about a willing partner), you're getting off on power. It's a tad worrisome as a concept to me.
I wouldn't know, personally. It's just another one of those weird kinks as far as I'm concerned.
You are. But i think he really just meant that he is concerned for the wider implications that might have for somebody's character.
If it was purely a fantasy, I severely doubt there would be any implications at all for somebody's character. It totally wouldn't surprise me if you knew someone who had that fantasy or something else most of us would consider strange, but since you don't know that, they seem perfectly "normal" to you.
Although I would add that I wouldn't personally consider it to be overly troubling. I think it is actually a pretty widespread fantasy if the amount of pornograhy created to indulge it is anything to go by. General control fantasies even moreso.
That's my view, especially since I view all BDSM-type stuff as a form of rape fantasy, since it has an element of control of one person over another.
Well it is all right there in the link I provided earlier, "violent porn" or "extreme images" as they are calling them specifically only refers to pornographic material that depicts activities that endanger the life of cause serious injury to the genitals which is fairly specific and certainly rules out anything like fantasy rape which results in neither of those things.
It also states that if it is clear to the viewer that it is simulated then it is exempt and I would think a disclaimer would be enough to facilitate that. And that if you can prove that no non consensual harm was caused it is also exempt.
Eh, still glad it isn't my country, though we have our own problems with zealous prosecution using "obscenity" laws and other legislated morality.
If it were to catch some of the consensually made stuff like the really horrible shit that comes out of Japan I would consider that to be unacceptable though. It's all specualtion right now as the law only came into effect on the 26th though so it has not been tested in a court, so I will watch with interest to see what happens. I'm no lawyer, so how exactly this all applies is a bit of a mystery.
It certainly is an overreaction though. You are quite right that genuine snuff porn is virtually non-existent, in fact last time I checked into it there wasn't a single recorded case of murder or torture being filmed for entertainment (things like beheading videos don't count as they are not made to profit from entertainment), the snuff movie is effectively an urban myth.
That's where my concern comes in - when they find out that there isn't really any real snuff or rape porn, it wouldn't surprise me if they start going after the simulated stuff, basically for the very same reason a lot of people are against this game, namely, that they consider it wrong for people to have fantasies that they find offensive and unnatural.
This is what our government is all about though, they are the "shut the door after the horse has bolted" types. That is to say they make endless pieces of meaningless legislation that are purely designed to calm a hysterical section of our society that get up in arms everytime something offends their precious sensibilities. Like the woman you mentioned before who started this whole mess. You have the same section of society, but fortunately you have constitutional protections that we don't. Remember that distributing hardcore pornography that has not been passed by the BBFC is a criminal offense anyway, although not one you are going to be jailed for.
That's weird. Still, we have certain states using the internet as an excuse to take on pornographers in other states and even other countries for making porn they consider offensive. There was even one guy from California that got taken down recently by a court in Florida. The stuff he made I personally find gross, but at the same time I didn't really see any harm being caused by it to justify government intervention.
Or the progression from fantasy to reality exists, but some people don't like to admit it...
Or that this mysterious transition doesn't really happen and some moral crusaders can't accept that.
I mean, a game involving seeking out rape?
Sort of like games involving seeking out stealing cars, killing cops and anyone else you can run down with that stolen car. I guess it's all the same to me because it's just a game.
Just... came out of nowhere, no violent sexual desires, just rape would be fun, I wish I could instigate it, but... how? I never thought of it before...
Some people like to use dog collars and fuzzy handcuffs. Often there's a whip involved too.
you're just one person, who may not have a desire to take a life. Some people do, and want to find ways to build themselves to that point.
Who are these "some people"? I have yet to see any normal, well-adjusted people who can tell the difference between fantasy and reality go out and do something because of a game or some other media. There have been studies on this, they don't exist.
And I'm talking about animal abuse! Animal abuse! Did I say quick, painless killing for food? No. Do I eat a lot of meat, not really, the less I contribute to factory farms the better. But the guy in town who dragged his horses to death behind a tractor? (True story) He should be jailed for a long time.
Some people would consider the act of hunting your food to be abusive though, since one can go down to the supermarket and just buy food. But this is an example of how morality is relative.
In principal, I believe in freedoms, but there is such a thing as too far, and freedoms yes, but I also believe in consequences.
For me, freedoms end where they begin to affect the freedoms of others. If there is no harm to personal liberty, I see no problem with it.
So, if someone uses these games, feeds it, then really rapes someone- and whether they're a "bitch" or they dress what to some is provocatively (in some places, thats without a head to ground cover, no wrists or ankles...) is not an issue... then what? What if the game helped them down that road.
First off, you need to recognize when someone is joking. Secondly, again, there has yet to be a documented case of what you describe, where someone started out otherwise "normal" and had their fragile little mind warped by a game or some other form of entertainment.
Videogames have influences people in the past, and some people suck at separating reality and fantasy... doesn't bring back the dead.
I have yet to hear of any such case. I know Jack Thompson tried to make some shit up about it, but in the end it got him disbarred from practicing law.
This isn't about "decency" or "morality". Men with rape fantasties have some serious mental issues, imo. When a man doubts his own ability to be a man he's going to act out in a variety of violent and abusive ways including rape. My advice to any guy who wants to play this game would be to put down the remote, get some therapy and start thinking about how you can become a stronger person.
What makes me laugh is that you think you understand someone else's sexual kink and what makes it their kink. Especially since you seem to have forgotten that there are some women who also get off on the thought of some mysterious brute (aka their sexual partner or whoever they are fantasizing about) having their way with them. You know, since rape is only a man forcing himself on a woman and not anything else. Which is apparently why
Unexpected was so hilarious.
No, I said its possible, that it has happened, and it data- real tests, show it can make it more likely. And lets stop the childish "you can't tell the difference between reality and fantasy" crap 
