Rap Music Should Be Included In Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame

[Nerdius Maximus]

The rock and roll hall of fame is a complete joke, so who cares what is included in it?

Well I guess some people do care, just saying that I don't. Tons of incredibly important bands aren't in it, and tons of bands that have nothing to do with rock and roll are already in it.

Total joke. Even the idea of a rock and roll hall of fame goes against the entire idea of what rock and roll was supposed to be about.

Pretty much. The Sex Pisols had the right idea by basically telling them to fuck off. I would have been severely disappointed in them if they'd shown up to the ceremony.

Yeah, Lydon was probably too busy making reality TV shows and butter commercials.

Don't forget mountain dew. But really, he did all that stuff to make money. He wouldn't get any money from being inducted into the hall of fame, so it seemed like a pointless, hollow gesture to him. He's never pretended that reuniting the sex pistols was for anything other than the money. I think he say something in a press release along the lines of, "We're not going to rehearse, we don't care what we sound like, we're just going to take your money."

 

[Nerdius Maximus]

Well is cool to see the inductees and inductors jamming on stage.

Elvis Costello and Bruce Springsteen singing "london Calling" was a blast.

Exactly. The awards themselves, or the hall of fame, I could care less about. It's the performances that I tune in for. You know, pairings of artists you wouldn't normally see.

 

[Level 2 Diagnostic]

Does anyone who's participating in this discussion actually give a fuck about the Hall of Fame? Has it ever had any impact on your life? Do you even know who has and hasn't been inducted, and would having that knowledge make any difference to what music you choose to listen to?

Exactly, the people who say "rap should have its own hall of fame" don't seem to have the slightest clue who's actually been inducted into the R&R Hall of Fame, and that list includes plenty of country, folk, and R&B acts.

I mean, the friggin' Bee Gees are in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Does anyone here really think the Bee Gees are a rock band? Even if you disregard the disco stuff? They didn't exactly rock out on "New York Mining Disaster 1941".

At this point, anyone who comes into this topic to say that only rock bands belong in the R&R Hall of Fame really isn't paying attention.

 

[I am not Spock]

^ There's probably more non-rock bands in this so called Rock n Roll Hall of Fame than there are rock bands.

 

[Steve Roby]

Here's the list of inductees. Lots of soul and R&B artists, a few rappers, Miles Davis (jazz), Bob Marley (reggae), singer-songwriters with no history of ever even vaguely rocking (James Taylor, Jackson Browne, Paul Simon, etc).

 

[Nerys Myk]

^ There's probably more non-rock bands in this so called Rock n Roll Hall of Fame than there are rock bands.

Those bands are covered under the "roll" part.

 

[Servo]

It is written to be emphasized as if it rhymes. And it does sometimes and it doesn't sometimes ... within the same piece.

That's not "free verse" that's inconsistency, and lack of discipline in the writing.

Lazy, lazy stuff.

--Ted

That's just silly. I can think of plenty of pop/rock songs that have imperfect rhymes. Steve Miller's "Take the Money and Run" rhymes "Texas" with "facts is". And I can think of plenty of pop/rock songs that don't rhyme at all. "Strawberry Fields Forever" doesn't rhyme at all, is that lazy writing?

Excellent point. Another good example is Bob Dylan. Listen to some of the vocal gymnastics he performs to get some of his lyrics to fit/rhyme, and he's one of the best songwriters in the world.

Personally, I couldn't give a shit about the Hall of Fame, or who ends up in it. The only Hall of Fame that counts for me is the one inside my head, i.e: my own personal taste. Why should I waste my time worrying about what everyone else likes or dislikes?

 

[veridia]

^Why? It's a perfectly legitimate and highly influential genre of music.

That I do agree. But rock does not equate rap.

As long as the hall of fame was open to all other forms of music as well (jazz, country, pop, etc) then I don't see a problem with this at all.

These genre's common denominator is the use of pentatonic chords. Not rap music.

Pentatonic chords, in other words, real music, notes and melody; as opposed to someone looping outdated funk samples while talking into a mic.

I deeply respect anyone who plays melodies, as it is the standard bearer of what music represents. Anything less, simply isn't music.

 

[veridia]

Does anyone who's participating in this discussion actually give a fuck about the Hall of Fame? Has it ever had any impact on your life? Do you even know who has and hasn't been inducted, and would having that knowledge make any difference to what music you choose to listen to?

Exactly, the people who say "rap should have its own hall of fame" don't seem to have the slightest clue who's actually been inducted into the R&R Hall of Fame, and that list includes plenty of country, folk, and R&B acts.

I mean, the friggin' Bee Gees are in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Does anyone here really think the Bee Gees are a rock band? Even if you disregard the disco stuff? They didn't exactly rock out on "New York Mining Disaster 1941".

At this point, anyone who comes into this topic to say that only rock bands belong in the R&R Hall of Fame really isn't paying attention.

The problem people have with rap being in the rock and roll hall of fame is this... Rap isn't rock and roll. Last I checked they were two entirely different genres.

This is why rock music lost it's identity, it started being all inclusive. If anything is rock music, what's the point... There's no standard, no measure of what rock music is anymore.

 

[veridia]

Here's the list of inductees. Lots of soul and R&B artists, a few rappers, Miles Davis (jazz), Bob Marley (reggae), singer-songwriters with no history of ever even vaguely rocking (James Taylor, Jackson Browne, Paul Simon, etc).

None of the above artists are even remotely rock and roll.

 

[Steve Roby]

Here's the list of inductees. Lots of soul and R&B artists, a few rappers, Miles Davis (jazz), Bob Marley (reggae), singer-songwriters with no history of ever even vaguely rocking (James Taylor, Jackson Browne, Paul Simon, etc).

None of the above artists are even remotely rock and roll.

But they are in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, which means that putting another rapper in there is no big deal, because the Hall of Fame is not concerned with a strict and narrow definition of rock and roll.

If you think all rap is someone talking over a sample from a funk record, you are less informed than you may think. As for the idea that rock has lost its identity by being too inclusive... when did that happen? Sgt Pepper's? Progressive rock? Punk? New wave?

 

[Neeka Keet]

Rock music was at its best when it was all inclusive. Nowadays most rock music is soulless, generic, and boring.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I still want a definition of "rock n roll".

 

[Dusty Ayres]

I still want a definition of "rock n roll".

But it's changed so much, who knows what it is now?

 

[Nerys Myk]

I still want a definition of "rock n roll".

But it's changed so much, who knows what it is now?

Exactly. Though even at its start, it cast a pretty wide net.

 

[Warped9]

*sigh* I can't help from taking a deep breath before writing this post about whether or not rap should be included in the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame.
A fellow Yahoo! Music blogging comrade saw a lot of Twitter chatter about LL Cool J making the list of nominees to be inducted in March 2010.
I took a look and found four main objective opinions being expressed. Of course, there were people, like myself, who were in agreement with LL's nomination. But there were just as many with opposing point of views.
Some felt that because rap music is not technically rock and roll, it should not be included in the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame. Others said that LL Cool J had no business being inducted ahead of particular artists. And another subset of folks didn't think LL Cool J was worthy of the prestigious honor at all.

Got a minute? We need to talk.
One tweeter annoyed by LL's inclusion posted a comment that made me laugh. "It says ROCK and roll, not rap and roll," @moviequill wrote. I understand the confusion here. Rock is a clearly defined genre. When you are in a record store, and you walk into the rock section, you will not find any hip hop albums.
However, people are taking the Rock And Hall Of Fame title too literally. The organization clearly was not founded with the intent of only recognizing the contributions from artists who solely recorded rock songs.
According to the organization's website, the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame Foundation was created to "honor the men and women who have made unique contributions to the energy and evolution of rock and roll."

http://new.music.yahoo.com/blogs/hi...ld-be-included-in-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame/

Rock hall of fame?

Rap music should be seared from existence and hope that its kind is never heard again. I cannot stand this stuff in the least.

And I always spell rap with a silent c.

 

[ToddPence]

Rock hall of fame?

Rap music should be seared from existence and hope that its kind is never heard again. I cannot stand this stuff in the least.

And I always spell rap with a silent c.

Couldn't have said it better myself. Thumbs up.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I'm sure the parents in the 1950's expressed similar opinions about the music their kids listened to.

 

[Tyre]

"Oh, oh: you see, the kids, they listen to the rap music which gives them the brain damage. With their hippin', and the hoppin', and the bippin', and the boppin', so they don't know what the jazz…is all about! You see, jazz is like the Jello Pudding Pop … no, actually, it's more like Kodak film … no, actually, jazz is like the New Coke: it'll be around forever, heh heh heh."

 

[Steve Roby]

Rock hall of fame?

Rap music should be seared from existence and hope that its kind is never heard again. I cannot stand this stuff in the least.

And I always spell rap with a silent c.

Couldn't have said it better myself. Thumbs up.

There's a lot of music in this world that I can't stand. You know what I do about it? I don't listen to it.

Sure, I could tell the world that I can't stand, I dunno, Billy Joel, to pick a random example... but the world doesn't really care, and hell, neither do I. Not worth the effort.

I have my theory about why some people feel the need to stand up and be counted as enemies of the evil rap music. But this is the wrong place for that discussion.