Ranking the TNG Movies

[Admiral James Kirk]

FC - The ONLY TNG movie in my opinion. It had scope. It had emotion. It redefined TNG for the big screen. The biggest problem with TNG is that the characters were designed for television. They were fine for intimate character pieces. They weren't audacious enough for the big screen. FC changed that... to a certain respect. They picked the most theatrical of the characters Picard, Data and Worf and sort of shoved the other characters into small supporting slots. Our big three were then thrown into a rollicking, non-TNG style, fast moving, action story that blew the audience's balls clean off. I LOVE this movie. Not because it's good TNG. It's not. But because it was a good movie.

NEM - I've always felt sorry for this flick. It was a misfire from start to finish but then again all the non-FC TNG movies were misfires. At least this one had ambition. The problem with it is that nobody bothered to think the plot through. The villain though well played didn't have a plausible motivation for his actions so everything following was just plain... fucktarded. Still the action scenes were fine. Not stellar but watchable. I thought the scenes between Stewart and Spiner were well played and emotional. Of course the scenes where Spiner played B4 were pure season 1, Naked Now style nonsense. Nemesis was a bad movie for sure but it wasn't the worst TNG movie but any stretch of the imagination.

GEN: The only thing that worked about this movie was William Shatner as James T. Kirk. Everything else was plain shite. God bless 'em both McDowell and Stewart acted their balls off but the movie had no scope and no ambition to be anything more than a big episode clumsily pasted together. David Carson showed promise with the DS9 pilot Emmisary but it's clear that a movie was beyond his abilities. Of course it was also beyond Berman, Braga and Moore's abilities as well. It's simply astounding that Braga and Moore were able to write such a SLAM DUNK as FC after the travesty that was Generations.

INS: The Batman & Robin of the Trek franchise. Corny, campy and just pure crappy. There's nothing redeemable about this shitfest! I'd rather tonguefuck Cupcakes asshole, I'd rather eat Horta shit, I'd rather take it from behind by a pissed off Gorn before watching this piece of Ferengi fuck again! It boils my blood that something heartfelt and well directed like TFF gets called the worst of the Trek series when this steaming pile of crap gets a free pass. From the bad attempts at humor, to F. Murray's abominable performance, to Zimmerman's craptacular production design and Michael Piller's abysmal script that reads like it was written by a retarded five year old there's not one positive thing that can be said about this the absolute ASSHOLE of all Trek films!

Wait! Yes there is!

It ended. Thank fuckin' God!

 

[RAMA]

hmm....I thought people would have a lot to say on the TNG movies?


maybe it's an old hat here and its been overdone?

I love your sig!!! where can I find the full size pic of it!!


First Contact had huge plot problems, and some wacky non-sensical stuff (a drunk loser single handedly invents warp drive, and not only that, but he has no PASSION for the work, he's doing it for the money ). I'd like to see NASA engineers that hate their job and are doing it only for the "money" be successful. Strides in propulsion technology, like the Ion Drive, come about because of our desire to get our asses to the stars! Most would probably do it for free!

Then there's the whole thing about the Borg. How long was it from the first attack to the second attack on Earth? 5 years? And what do they send? Just one Cube? pretty cocky to think your first Cube failed and a second one would be successful. Then we get 10 seconds of space battle, and the Borg "assimilate" the plot from Terminator 2 and sent a Borg ship to the past to Kill John Connor....errr the inventor of Warp Drive. Right

We then spend the rest of the movie watching Drunkie....errr Zefram Cochrane get Deanna drunk and trying to cop a feel the entire time, while Data is having sex with the Borg queen.

Riiiight


And I, in general, LIKE First Contact.


Wanna hear my gripes about the other movies?

I hate to say it, but there are a lot MORE scientists and inventors who design tech for the money and not for visionary reasons, that's often secondary. I don't find this aspect of Cochrane unbelievable.

RAMA

 

[22 Stars]

Hmmm, let's see:

FC, GEN, NEM, INS... I think that's how I would go. I haven't watched Nemesis lately, but I did see Insurrection recently and boy is that a horribly cheesy movie. The plot is a retread of the TNG episode with Paul Sorvino, the bad guys are cheesy as hell, and 99% white pilgrims on the planet are selfish and insipid.

Also, think about this, Insurrection was made at the time that DS9 was dealing with the DOMINION! How do you make THAT movie, when there is a deep, galatic war raging, with intrigue, drama, and action.... what a waste. You could have caught the non-Trek audience up to speed in 5 minutes, and plunged the Enterprise crew into the Dominion War. A wasted opportunity to re-consolidate the franchise, and make a real movie, instead of a B-movie with a television budget and plot.

 

[22 Stars]

I would also like to point out the achilles heel of EVERY TNG movie...

Old people fighting on scaffolding at the end:

GEN: Shatner, Stewart and McDowell
FC: Stewart and Krige,
Ins: Stewart and F. Murray
Nem: Frakes and Perlman

WTF guys, at least JJ had young people fighting on scaffolding!

 

[startrekrcks]

yeah JJ had younger people but I think Pine's Kirk needs to improve his fighting skills sorry to bring this up.

 

[Elzie]

This is a bit difficult, because I liked them all, more or less. But here goes:

First Contact
Generations
Nemesis
Insurrection

I can't really give specific reasons for that list...

 

[Too Much Fun]

I would also like to point out the achilles heel of EVERY TNG movie...

Old people fighting on scaffolding at the end:

GEN: Shatner, Stewart and McDowell
FC: Stewart and Krige,
Ins: Stewart and F. Murray
Nem: Frakes and Perlman

WTF guys, at least JJ had young people fighting on scaffolding!

That's a good point, but at least Perlman looks plausible fighting (not like a guy who is too old to be fighting) due to all of his make-up. That's part of why his action scenes in "Hellboy" were believable too.

 

[JarodRussell]

That's part of why his action scenes in "Hellboy" were believable too.

A movie about a demon fighting other demons, with digitally removed wires and CG stunt doubles in every fight scene, and you talk about believability.


One of my problems with Generations was that Picard actually got his ass kicked by some scientist. Picard kicked a lot of ass throughout the show. His hobby is fencing, he knows at least one martial art good enough to kick Tuvok's ass, and he can perform the neck pinch. But then he needs Kirk's help get rid of Soran.

 

[Admiral James Kirk]

I could accept Soran being tougher than Picard. I can also accept Kirk being tougher than both Soran and Picard. I had a hard time accepting that Picard couldn't fight. Watch that scene. It's not that he fought and was overpowered by a better fighter. He flailed about like a 90 year old woman and Soran raped him like a sheep during shearing season. Braga & Moore as well as Stewart & Berman completely forgot that Picard was a badass.

 

[GalaxyX]

I could accept Soran being tougher than Picard. I can also accept Kirk being tougher than both Soran and Picard. I had a hard time accepting that Picard couldn't fight. Watch that scene. It's not that he fought and was overpowered by a better fighter. He flailed about like a 90 year old woman and Soran raped him like a sheep during shearing season. Braga & Moore as well as Stewart & Berman completely forgot that Picard was a badass.

Sheer awesomeness!!!

 

[22 Stars]

^ lol disturbing comparison, but OK I mean what the hell, didn't they learn anything, ST II was the best, and Kirk and Khan never even met in person! I think Nick Meyer had the wisdom to remove the obligatory hand-to-hand combat scene once scripted.

 

[Warped9]

FC (B-)
GEN (C)
INS (F)
NEM (F)

 

[startrekrcks]

I thought First Contact was great I really feel that it is the best out of all the TNG movies in my opinion the rest were ok.

 

[F. King Daniel]

First Contact (The best TNG film. Great fun.)

Nemesis (I loved it, you're all wrong)

Generations (glorified double episode)

Insurrection (boring glorified double episode)

 

[Dane_Whitman]

1. First Contact
2. Nemesis
3. Generations
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4. Insurrection

 

[Greg Cox]

First Contact
Generations

Insurrection and Nemesis tie for last place. I don't think Nemesis is a bad as everyone says, but it probably says something that I watched it once and have never felt compelled to sit through it again.

One of these days . . . .

 

[Newski]

1. Star Trek Generation- I still don't undertand the hate for this film. It was exactly what I wanted out of TNG on the Big Screen. That same old feeling the show had, yet still epic in scope. The Kirk/Picard scenes were memorable, and despite what others think, I thought Kirk died how he should- in the line of duty. The story is mesmerizing, Shatner learns to act for his scenes, and overall leaves you with a great feeling.

2. Star Trek: First Contact- Instead of awe and wonder, we get terror and dread and some great action sequences. While I do like this movie a lot, it does not captivate me like Generations or some of the older films did. It was spectacular on all accounts, with some of the best effects in the series, and tries to bring in new people without alienating the old. A damn fine film.

3. Nemesis- Every time I watch this film, I enjoy it. When it's over, however, I can't tell you why. It's not a good film by any means, but I don't remember that until after the fact.

4. Insurrection- I know it's "just a movie" but having time stop because Picard is in love is more than simply "jumping the shark." It's idiotic. Data is not child-like, but childish and silly. Sure, he was the comic relief in Generations, but that actually ended up leading to some of the films more touching scenes. In this, it's just embarassing. Random humorous lines are tossed in without any actual motivation, and it wants me to believe that the entire Galaxy should suffer just because these people would prefer not to grow old.... It also surprises me that never once did they think "Maybe there is a diplomatic solution..." No. It's grab your guns and attack.

 

[EnsignRicky]

1. First Contact



That is all.

 

[JarodRussell]

3. Nemesis- Every time I watch this film, I enjoy it. When it's over, however, I can't tell you why. It's not a good film by any means, but I don't remember that until after the fact.

Probably subliminal messages.

 

[VOODOOXI]

1/ First Contact - Recently saw it. Doesn't hold up as well as I thought it did. The Borg weren't fierce enough. I would have gone for a far more threatening/theatrical version of the Borg. The humor in this film (as in all TNG films) is pretty lame, but the film is still pretty decent and by far the best TNG film.
(4 out of 5 stars)


2/ Generations - Why was Shatner even in this film? A complete, total and utter wasted opportunity. As much as I hate the way they killed Kirk off there are a couple of decent things in the movie, but with the single exception of "The Phantom Menace" this may have been the most I have ever been disappointed in a film. (3 out of 5 stars)

3/ Nemesis - This film is a boring rethread of TWOK. The entire B-4 thing is simply embarrassing. What is nearly as embarrassing is that Picard has a clone that looks noting like him. TNG seemed very, very tired at this point. What a sad way for the great series to end. Memo to tptb: NOBODY WANTS TO SEE DATA SINGING...It's F***ing LAME and insults the audiences intelligence. (2.5 out of 5 stars)

P.S. Lets hope that TNG is somehow given a more dignified ending at some point.

4/ Insurrection - Nothing about this glorified tv movie should be considered a major motion picture. It even looks like a TNG epiosde from the late 1980's. The main villian totally wastes the talents of Oscar winner F. Murray Abraham on a character that would have been more at home in the 70's era BSG...Also, the lame attempts at humor (Memo to tptb: NOBODY WANTS TO SEE DATA, PICARD and WORF SINGING...It's F***ing LAME and it insults the audiences intelligence) nearly had me throwing my shoes at the screen.