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Rank the Musical Scores

NEMESIS doesn't even get love for its music.:lol: Sad, really. Aside from some of the franchise's best space f/x that movie must rank dead last or close to it in almost every conceivable category.

Umm...it ranks near the bottom in FX for me too. I think the CGI in both Insurrection and Nemesis is awful, and very cartoony looking. Considering PHANTOM MENACE came out BEFORE Nemesis, I expected better CGI.

ROb

I've seen people repeatedly utter this complaint, and I just don't get it. I rewatched Nemesis not long ago and it looked just fine to me.
 
NEMESIS doesn't even get love for its music.:lol: Sad, really. Aside from some of the franchise's best space f/x that movie must rank dead last or close to it in almost every conceivable category.

Umm...it ranks near the bottom in FX for me too. I think the CGI in both Insurrection and Nemesis is awful, and very cartoony looking. Considering PHANTOM MENACE came out BEFORE Nemesis, I expected better CGI.

ROb

I've seen people repeatedly utter this complaint, and I just don't get it. I rewatched Nemesis not long ago and it looked just fine to me.

Yeah, NEMESIS looks great. Downright stellar(no pun intended). It's the crappy plot and massive loopholes in the script that ruin it for many if not most fans.
 
Umm...it ranks near the bottom in FX for me too. I think the CGI in both Insurrection and Nemesis is awful, and very cartoony looking. Considering PHANTOM MENACE came out BEFORE Nemesis, I expected better CGI.

ROb

I've seen people repeatedly utter this complaint, and I just don't get it. I rewatched Nemesis not long ago and it looked just fine to me.

Yeah, NEMESIS looks great. Downright stellar(no pun intended). It's the crappy plot and massive loopholes in the script that ruin it for many if not most fans.

Sorry..for me, IMO, the effects just take me out of the movie because they are so bad. My friend, who is Star Wars fan, who I saw nemesis with, just laughed at the 'cartoony' effects. They just aren't that good...

Rob
 
NEMESIS doesn't even get love for its music.:lol: Sad, really. Aside from some of the franchise's best space f/x that movie must rank dead last or close to it in almost every conceivable category.

Umm...it ranks near the bottom in FX for me too. I think the CGI in both Insurrection and Nemesis is awful, and very cartoony looking. Considering PHANTOM MENACE came out BEFORE Nemesis, I expected better CGI.

ROb

I've seen people repeatedly utter this complaint, and I just don't get it. I rewatched Nemesis not long ago and it looked just fine to me.

This one divides people, and I have a theory. I think the folks who like NEM's fx have their TV sets turned down quite a bit in the brightness, because that is the only way the rift stuff doesn't look bad. And I have never found a setting for the drydock shot at the end that doesn't look bad, unless you have the brightness practically OFF.

Not to say there are no good CG shots ... the flyby as it goes into orbit around the planet where they try out the jeep is nice, but most of the time, even when a shot is good, the windows just look like blobby mailing labels.
 
Hmmm....i've watched Nemesis more than a few times now (YES! I HAVE! No accounting for taste!)...LOL, seriously though, it IS my least favorite of all the movies) but i've never thought the effects were bad.

anyway...back to the soundtracks..... i finally DID get my TMP CD today. Got the 20th anniiversary one thanks to the suggestion of poster SCOTT HAYDEN and although i havent gone through the entire cd yet, it does sound great. And i am very easily remembering what was happening onscreen at the time.

The ONLY thing i have to say (so far, and hopefully it will be the last on the matter) is that it is somewhat repetitious with the main theme. But, it could be worse! It is a great theme~
 
OMG!
Ok, i finally got to listen all the way through TMP soundtrack. NOW i understand why so many of you rated it #1 of all the soundtracks. Funny, while you watch the movie, you "hear" the music, but you don't really take it in. Now, just listening to it by itself, i am totally blown away by it.

The opening piece, "Ilia's theme"...it is just too beautiful for words!

The Klingon theme, outstanding!

But my god! Listening to "The Enterprise", i can see in my mind very clearly, the entire segment of them going over to and the magnificent reveal of the Enterprise!
The way the piece starts, quietly, slowly, french horns creeping in there.....and building up to the trumpets, the violins, and the rest of the orchestra...it literally brought goosebumps to my flesh. When it crescendos, i ask you, who wouldnt immediately join up with Starfleet after hearing this magnificent piece??? I've heard this theme a million times but NEVER has it created such a reaction in me. All i can say is WOW!!!!!!!!!

I love this soundtrack and now amend my list, putting TMP as #1. WOW!!
 
TMP
TFF
TWOK
IX
GENERATIONS

They are the ones that stick in my mind. TMP is brilliant, and TFF is very good, even if the film is crap.
 
My opinions on the first ten scores:

ST:TMP

For me there is a difference between a score being bad, and a score just simply not being my taste. I can clearly hear this is a professionally composed score with much attention made to give it that extra greatness, but aside from about four cues, and an alternate, the rest of the score just does nothing for me and consequently gets no play.


TWoK:

A landmark score for Horner, and one of the greatest film scores he has ever done; it's right up there in the top five. I would even venture out ot say it's one of the greatest film scores ever done.

So much emotion, so much power, complexity ... it's the Horner of the 80's -- a Horner sadly missing for ten years now.


TSFS:

I have two personal favorite cues here ("Stealing the Enterprise" and "Bird of Prey Decloaks"), but I never got he commercial CD (good thing too, 'cause I bet FSM will release this one in due time as well), and what cue or two that were on the Astral Symphony compilation, didn't grab me. Aside from the direct rip from a famous classical piece for the start of "Stealing the Enterprise", this once again has Horner at his best. I donm't know what was going on with him in the 80's. Maybe scores like these were just his way of jumping up & down and shouting, "Look at ME!!!". But it worked, I looked. And it was totally worth it.


TVH:

Say what ever you want about Leonard Rosenman. Say he's crazy for proclaming this the "best" of the Trek film scores. Say he's crazy for almost never writing anything -- TV or film -- that doesn't use his trade mark crescendoing motif. Even say he didn't continue in the scoring vein of Goldsmith and Horner. But in the end you still have a diverse and wonderful score. Full of emotion too as well, whether it be the fun cue as Kirk rescues Chekov from the hospital, or the emotional filled "Home Again" ... Rosenman DELIVERED. I'd even go as far to say that had TOS taken place in the late 70's, this is what it's TV scores would have sounded like, but on a grander scale.


TFF:

One thing I love about this score -- it's range. Many themes and ideas. Some people complain about it, but Goldsmith for some reason or other almsot always seemed to be musically inspired when on Trek. And lest I forget -- this film brought the return of the Klingon theme.


TUC:

The orchestrations where there, sometimes, and the bold theme was certainly present, but the score as a whole is lacking. In fact, it's more akin to something for TV Trek movie.
Anyway, it works well enough in the film and that bold theme certainly gives some good emotions around the end, and considering how old Cliff was at the time, it's impressive.
Still though ... if that rumor of Basil Poledouris having been attached was true ... I get giddy at the thought of what might have been.


G:

I don't care what people think about this score. It's a few steps up in granduer from the series, gave McCarthy his chops (which sadly didnt' get him the big gigs, though he's got additional scoring for "The Scorpion King"), and it fit the film like a glove.
A wonderful overature, dramatic action cues that actually have emotion to them (compared to some ot today's action scores that leave me cold and unmoved), a wonderful theme, and an excellent use of the Courage fanfare at the end. McCarthy could have easily scored a film like "Troy".


FC:

Bringing his son Joel Goldsmith along, Jerry composed what I think is simply one of his most unappreciated, underrated, emotional, DARK scores ever. It's just amazing to me. Far, far, far better than this average, poorly done film deserved.


I:

Insurrection garners mixed reviews from fans. Some don't care for his somewhat mimiced "US Marshals" style of scoring. I'm one of those people, but I feel here he made it work. In fact, fantastically. The Baku village opening theme, the drone attach where Picard is taken, Riker and the stupid shitty joystick control scene -- all great cues. I will put it out there that THIS is the last great score Goldsmith ever did. I've heard clips from his last scores, and even have his rejected score to "Timeline", but all of them do nothing for me. "Timeline" especially which I think is one of his weakest efforts ever. The style used in this film would have woked wonders with "Timeline". Anyway, proud to own the CD.


N:

Pure and utter shit for a film. Bile for a Trek film. Goldsmith score? Left the theater recalling NONE of it, and not being taken by any cue while watching. I hate to say it, but this oppritunity should have been passed to someone else, like his son, or David Bell.

In 2001, around the time he would have had to been writing and/or recording this, he passed on a film which would have served his musical talents more: "Last Orders".


The less said about the new Trek film and score, the better.
 
New ideas:
TMP- simply the best.
TFF- almost as good.
Insurection- love it.
ST2 & 3, excellence from Mr. Horner.
FC, delivered on the goods.
STIV- I can hover with it.:techman:
STVI- :techman:
Generations- :eek:
UDC- :)
Nem- Solid if uninspired.
NuTrek- Liked it- will love it in time, undoubtedly.:techman:
 
^
Me too!

I own two copies of it from the original GNP Crescendo release in late 1994/early 1995...one on cassette, the other on CD.:techman:
 
1- Insurrection
2-TWOK/TSFS
3-TUC
4-Gen
5-TFF
6-TMP
7-FC
8-TVH


Nemesis? As plastic as the film itself, much potential: much meh!

ST XI... Just, no.
 
NEMESIS doesn't even get love for its music.:lol: Sad, really. <snip>


Its not saying much, but i do like the Nemesis soundtrack more than Insurrection's. That one seriously bites.

Well, to be fair the gentle opening theme to INSURRECTION that plays over the scenes of the Ba'ku village is pretty good. I've always adored it. The rest of the film's music doesn't live up to the opening theme.
 
You have a point there, that opening theme is very pretty and yes, gentle, not anything like the other soundtracks.

But i am a sucker for the french horn, and Nemesis has some realllllly nice horn.
 
Hmm. Let's see here. Trek has done so many good scores that this is rather though. But, I'll give it a go...

The Motion Picture
The Wrath of Khan
The Final Frontier
Generations
The Search for Spock
The Voyage Home
The Undiscovered Country
First Contact
Nemesis
Insurrection

That's not the same as many people would rank them, but that's my feeling. I don't think any of the scores are bad per se, just that some are less impresssive than others.

I love Goldsmith's theme for First Contact, for example, but think that the rest of the score is somewhat lacking when compared with his work on TMP or TFF. And while TVH certainly is not Mozart, it's very fun, it works well with the film, and it's certainly original. More original, IMHO, than the TUC score which is heavily derivative of other works.

Oh, and I think the Generations score is really underrated by many folks here. McCarthy is a quality composer who was hamstrung by the Berman "musical wallpaper" dictates when writing for much of the series stuff. But when he gets let loose, as he did in the early TNG seasons and here in Generations, you can really see him shine.

Lastly, I did not rate the 2009 film's score. What I've heard I like, and I think Michael Giacchino is great. But I have only seen the film once and have yet to listen to the entire score album. So I'm reserving judgment on its rank as compared to the other films until I have more information.
 
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