Random Thought: Was Janeway Killed Because She was So Polarizing?
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In most cases, when it comes to legendary bands, certain changes will lead to a decrease in quality and popularity.
Look at Deep Purple. They haven't made one decent album since Ritchie Blackmore left.
And Voyager will never be the same without Kes, Janeway, Neelix and Tuvok.
Exactly. The show swapped out Kes for Seven, because they needed to change something to draw in new fans. It worked.
And it's not just gimmicky and dumb, either - most people get annoyed when stories stay the same and nothing ever changes. Just look at The Wheel Of Time.
And it's not just gimmicky and dumb, either - most people get annoyed when stories stay the same and nothing ever changes. Just look at The Wheel Of Time.
No, we communicate via subspace messages.
Anyway, since the OP suggested that Neelix was happy, I suggested that he could as well be bored to death on that tiny rock and that it would all end up like it did in the Rolling Stones song "Sittin' On A Fence".
"Maybe the choice you did wasn't really right
and you go out and you won't come back at night"
A sad reminder that sex sells.
The funny thing is that it actually didn't work since the ratings were much lower for seasons 4-7 than they were for seasons 1-3.
Yes Sex sells, for very good reasons as well, would you buy some aftershave or anything for that matter if, say, I, a fugly kinda guy was in the advert?
As for the ratings, I actually thought those seasons had some far better episodes in them than the earlier seasons, plus you sure your prejudice isn't getting in the way?
Voyager ratings: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/Lynx677/Star_TrekVOY27157.gif
And something official?
Yeah, those are right.
Long-running shows always slowly decline in ratings, though (part of the explanation I gave above). And, actually, if you look at it, the introduction of Seven DID boost ratings for about the first half of 4th season. The ratings went back down after that because those new fans stopped watching, but that's not because shaking things up was a bad idea. It's because Voyager, the show, tended to have writing that wasn't very popular.
In THIS case, just about everyone that's read Beyer's new books enjoys them. So, shaking things up DID lead to good stories.
It's the execution that retains viewers, and the change that gains them in the first place. Two different things, and ideally, BOTH are good. Voyager was never very good at the execution.
Long-running shows always slowly decline in ratings, though (part of the explanation I gave above). And, actually, if you look at it, the introduction of Seven DID boost ratings for about the first half of 4th season. The ratings went back down after that because those new fans stopped watching, but that's not because shaking things up was a bad idea. It's because Voyager, the show, tended to have writing that wasn't very popular.
In THIS case, just about everyone that's read Beyer's new books enjoys them. So, shaking things up DID lead to good stories.
It's the execution that retains viewers, and the change that gains them in the first place. Two different things, and ideally, BOTH are good. Voyager was never very good at the execution.
Actually, Neelix and his family are quite happy per their visit with B'Elanna in Unworthy. And he knows exactly where his old friends are. No need to search for them.
I would also add that Tuvok also seems happy on the Titan with his wife.
Don't forget to flush it down the toilet.
And there are loads of other bands who didn't reach a level of fame before having a fair few member shake-ups.
What the Voyager books are doing at the moment isn't what you want from a Voyager book. That's absolutely fine. That's no different to someone saying they don't like the Mirror Universe stuff in the DS9 relaunch. But that's the way it is for now. It might change in the future - if you're right and thousands of Voyager fans have stopped buying the books because they killed Janeway then I imagine it'll change pretty damn soon.
There's no Voyager books on the schedule for next year, so I imagine by the time the next one is commissioned the sales figures for the last two will have all come in. If we continue down this track then it must have worked, if it gets changed up then I imagine you're proved right.
But you haven't even read the books to decide if you like them or not. Hell, if you agree to read it I'll buy you a copy of Full Circle. Look at how much you've written in this thread, you could probably have finished it in the time you've spent arguing here so this is clearly not a 'I don't have the time' issue.
Even though I have a bootleg of the '74 jam session John and Paul had in Los Angeles, I don't consider that a Beatles reunion.
But had Paul, George, and Ringo released "All For Love" in '96, I'd have considered that a legitimate addition to the canon.
That doesn't mean I think John was inessential. Far from it. But things happen, people move on, people die. That's a fact of life. And in '96, John Lennon was dead.
This doesn't mean that I think that Paul and Ringo should do an album and release it as a Beatles album. Paul and Ringo have played enough on each others albums that it's not outside the realm of possibility that they'll play together again.
The point of this? Death happens. You either accept it, or you live in denial. It's churlish to say that there's something wrong with someone else because they're willing to accept something that you're in denial about. Voyager has moved on. If that's not your cuppa, maybe it's time for you to move on to something else. *shrug*
I'm curious, do you count "Free As A Bird" and "Real Love" as part of the Beatles canon?
Absolutely. There's never been any doubt in my mind on that point. And if "Now and Then" (the third Lennon demo) had been finished, I'd have counted that, too. (And I really think that the remasters should have included "FAAB" and "Real Love" -- and "The Beatles Movie Medley" -- on Past Masters.)
But "All For Love" is a different case. That's the McCartney/Harrison composition they recorded during the "Real Love" sessions in February and March of '95. It only had three of the Beatles recording together, so would it have counted? Should it have counted?
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