Spoilers R rated content - what does it add?

[Cinema Geekly]

It hasn't added anything for me.

The writers are free to do this "because they can" and tell the story they want to tell which is fine and all but it makes it even more puzzling that they'd endeavor to set this show in an already established universe as this just becomes another thing that seemingly deviates it and yet another box to be ticked when they eventually shore up all the incongruities (something the creators of the show are saying is part of the plan).

I'm not sure why you would purposefully want to make your job any harder than it already is or needs to be but whatever float your boat I suppose.

 

[XCV330]

Star Trek is supposed to be about a future society, not the present. Unless your idea of a future utopia is people going around saying "fucking cool", then it doesn't belong.

My utopian vision is very fucking cool. And if it has a space navy in it, it will be like every other navy since the Egyptians starting making ships out of reeds and people will cuss.

 

[Cinema Geekly]

https://www.sciencealert.com/swearing-is-a-sign-of-more-intelligence-not-less-say-scientists

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[zar]

Star Trek is supposed to be about a future society, not the present. Unless your idea of a future utopia is people going around saying "fucking cool", then it doesn't belong. Despite how casual people have become about swearing today, I would hope people realize that this is a historic anomaly and if it persists it's a sign we're headed more towards Idiocracy than Star Trek.

Now can you find isolated cases of Trek being on the edge? Of course you can, because Trek has so many hours of programming. But these are outliers, not part of the mission-statement.

As far as the Orville, while yes, they push the envelope on network TV with dick jokes and things, at its heart it does what all memorable TV does--build a family-like ensemble. We've come to expect a Trek crew to genuinely care about each other's welfare. They stick together. They work as a team. They don't just bark orders dictatorially the way Lorca does. So The Orville is ultimately a comforting watch in a day and age when people in the real world tend to behave much like on Discovery, arguing and bickering and not working for the greater good.

Whereas your idea of a future utopia is one where people joke about a 400 year old car rental company all day, apparently.

Oh, and "isolated cases"? Come on. "Damn it" and "the hell" were right up there with "three to beam up".

 

[Greg Cox]

Star Trek is supposed to be about a future society, not the present. Unless your idea of a future utopia is people going around saying "fucking cool", then it doesn't belong. Despite how casual people have become about swearing today, I would hope people realize that this is a historic anomaly and if it persists it's a sign we're headed more towards Idiocracy than Star Trek.

Since when did utopias preclude swearing? I wasn't aware that "fucking cool" was a social evil on the level of war or racism or poverty. It's just a colorful mode of expression; it isn't intrinsically primitive or negative or a sign of societal decline.

And, to my mind, there's a difference between optimistic and "utopian." TOS was never supposed to be a show about perfect people in a perfect society. It was a future that was better than today, but where humanity was still a half-savage child race with a long way to go, populated by people who talked and acted like ordinary human beings.

And, yes, sometimes they cursed and drank too much and barked out orders. And there was plenty of horror and danger and violence and tragedy out on the Final Frontier.

Just like on DISCOVERY.

 

[Refuge]

The higher the rating more it is designed to take away. An audience that might be younger and who would enjoy it otherwise. The older audience members don't seem to care either way.

 

[MakeshiftPython]

Honestly, I either didn't notice or forgot about the gore. The kind of stuff no longer registers with me because it's so common in modern TV. That's neither a bad or goo thing, it simply is what it is. It makes no difference to me.

And the f-bomb was pure comic relief during a nerdy moment. It's cute. If it bothers people, sucks for you. Might as well unsubscribe the app to protect your ears.

 

[Hythlodeus]

Unless your idea of a future utopia is people going around saying "fucking cool",

It absofuckinglutely is, unless YOUR idea of a future utopia is a society where people are censored by society in what they are allowed to say.

 

[MakeshiftPython]

And so far "fucking" has only been on ONE episode out of nine. Just one. Yet you'd assume from threads like these that it's being uttered in every other sentence. Get over it.

 

[mos6507]

It absofuckinglutely is, unless YOUR idea of a future utopia is a society where people are censored by society in what they are allowed to say.

No, it's more like how in the future people won't try to appear "too-cool-for-school" by swearing anymore, just like they also won't be concerned about baldness (hence Picard not wearing a rug), So there's no need to censor when people aren't so immature to be compelled to swear in the first place.

 

[MakeshiftPython]

No, it's more like how in the future people won't try to appear "too-cool-for-school" by swearing anymore, just like they also won't be concerned about baldness (hence Picard not wearing a rug), So there's no need to censor when people aren't so immature to be compelled to swear in the first place.

Picard swore in French, but I guess that's okay because it's not English.

 

[Hythlodeus]

No, it's more like how in the future people won't try to appear "too-cool-for-school" by swearing anymore, just like they also won't be concerned about baldness (hence Picard not wearing a rug), So there's no need to censor when people aren't so immature to be compelled to swear in the first place.

as someone who never was cool and never intended to be cool, I fucking swear a lot, not out of immaturity but because it is emotionally rewarding or because it strengthen other words from a linguistic point of view. and of course, because it is healthier to get your anger out of your system verbally, but that's a different thing.

what adding the F-word in front of another does is, it strengthens the following word linguistically in a way not many, if any, other words in the english language can. if something is simplay cool, it's just that: cool. if it's 'very cool', not much is actually added. but if something is 'fucking cool', well, then obviously it must be extremely, over the top cool (and that, from a linguistic pov does not come close in strenghtening the word 'cool' as much as 'fucking' does)

 

[cultcross]

Picard swore in French, but I guess that's okay because it's not English.

That's always been the approach of American censors. You can even get away with British swearwords - as Buffy the Vampire Slayer demonstrated quite a few times (bloody, bollocks, bugger, ponce, pillock, shagging...) . Kind of helps demonstrate the weirdness of filtering out certain words.

 

[Long Syntax]

as someone who never was cool and never intended to be cool, I fucking swear a lot, not out of immaturity but because it is emotionally rewarding or because it strengthen other words from a linguistic point of view. and of course, because it is healthier to get your anger out of your system verbally, but that's a different thing.

what adding the F-word in front of another does is, it strengthens the following word linguistically in a way not many, if any, other words in the english language can. if something is simplay cool, it's just that: cool. if it's 'very cool', not much is actually added. but if something is 'fucking cool', well, then obviously it must be extremely, over the top cool (and that, from a linguistic pov does not come close in strenghtening the word 'cool' as much as 'fucking' does)

I doubt that anyone needed a refresher in the use of an f bomb.

 

[Hythlodeus]

but obviously someone did

 

[Long Syntax]

but obviously someone did

No, no one did. I doubt that your mastery of it impressed anyone either.

 

[Kor]

Picard swore in French, but I guess that's okay because it's not English.

As far as level of "offensiveness," the French word Picard used is more on the level of English "crap" despite the literal translation everyone likes to cite, and it can even be heard on French broadcast TV.

Kor

 

[Refuge]

See I'm not convinced by the argument that in X number of years the word 'fuck' is just a regualr qualifier by how the scene played out. If it was just everyday speak then there would be dozens of casual usages of the word in each episode. Discovery chose to present it in a particular way that told us that it is still not commonplace. That was them. They also depicted Tilly looking all daring when she said it. A pause of delighted wonderment from Stamets. It was said for affect in story and for the viewer. So to answer what it added, that is what it added. We know the word 'fuck' is used all these years from now but sparingly. We also know it is a box ticked within the show's censorship rating.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

My son loves Batman. When he was 8, we watched Adam West Batman. When he’s 14-15, we’ll watch Nolan Batman. Still be family viewing. Same for Trek.

I loved 60's Batman when I was around the same age. It was re-run for a while in the 90's in Australia. I'd rush home from school to watch it. Glad you get to enjoy it with your son

Star Trek is supposed to be about a future society, not the present. Unless your idea of a future utopia is people going around saying "fucking cool", then it doesn't belong. Despite how casual people have become about swearing today, I would hope people realize that this is a historic anomaly and if it persists it's a sign we're headed more towards Idiocracy than Star Trek.

Swearing is for simpleton's and dullards, huh?

If conservatism and elitism is your idea of a utopia, count me out. People have been swearing for centuries and will probably do so for centuries to come. Stop clutching your pearls.

 

[Refuge]

Swearing is for simpleton's and dullards, huh?

If conservatism and elitism is your idea of a utopia, count me out. People have been swearing for centuries and will probably do so for centuries to come. Stop clutching your pearls.

Did you mean to reply to that poster? He didn't say of what you responded to???