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Quinto is out of the closet

With all the reports of bullying and such, Quinto coming out was a noble thing.
Ellen DeGeneres, a completely different story. She had a top rated sitcom and her coming out episode made headlines all over the globe. It opened the floodgates and set a precident. Being gay became cool and loads of people came out as a result of the breaking of that glass ceiling. But that was years ago. Quinto coming out pales in comparison to that.
 
If the actor being gay means the character is gay, why did Sulu have a kid?

You are correct. Being homosexual makes one's sperm not work, and utterly eliminates the desire to sire and nurture offspring. ...Not!

My ex-wife's biological father is gay. I've had a number of gay parents as tenants in my building. One of my best friends from high school is positively flaming, and married to one of the dykiest lesbians I've ever met, and they have 4 (count 'em) 4 kids together.

Sulu gay and a dad? Not even slightly unusual or strange, let alone contradictory.
 
^ There is one scene I can think of that would tend to contradict Sulu being gay: the way he looks at Ilia in TMP. (No indication I'm aware of that Deltan pheromones could cause sexual preference to go out the window. Otherwise it would have worked on Uhura, wouldn't it?)
 
^ There is one scene I can think of that would tend to contradict Sulu being gay: the way he looks at Ilia in TMP. (No indication I'm aware of that Deltan pheromones could cause sexual preference to go out the window. Otherwise it would have worked on Uhura, wouldn't it?)


Who's to say it didn't?
 
Sorry MLB, but I'm pretty sure that there's no evidence whatsoever to support the notion that gays respond any differently to female pheromones than straight men do. Ergo, it contradicts nothing. And I agree with Bashir about Uhura: Who's to say she wasn't aroused? I always thought she was.
 
With all the reports of bullying and such, Quinto coming out was a noble thing.
Ellen DeGeneres, a completely different story. She had a top rated sitcom and her coming out episode made headlines all over the globe. It opened the floodgates and set a precident. Being gay became cool and loads of people came out as a result of the breaking of that glass ceiling. But that was years ago. Quinto coming out pales in comparison to that.

For Ellen things did turn out well, but only after hit to her career and some public and private backlash. She returned to (and exceeded) her former status around the time that she hosted the 53rd Annual Emmy awards.
 
Sorry MLB, but I'm pretty sure that there's no evidence whatsoever to support the notion that gays respond any differently to female pheromones than straight men do.


We are, however, talking about ALIEN pheromones. Deltans probably aren't just humans dialed up to eleven.
 
No, we didn't see her react. We didn't see her during that sequence at all. We got teh reactions from the boys but none from Uhura. So, we're free to speculate on if she did have a reaction and what sort it was. Doesn't mean it was the same as the males though.
 
No it wouldn't. It would imply that homosexuality doesn't change the laws of biochemistry. Nothing else.
 
Seriously? Do gays have a different demeanor?

You don't have Gaydar?

Only when it involves protecting my cornhole...
That's beyond tacky. It makes it sound like gay men are sexual predators after your precious tuckus.

As to "gaydar", people give off all kinds of behavioral clues as to their orientation. Some are simply fashion cues (wearing the "uniform" of a given group), others are behavioral and language (people pick up the speaking style, slang and some mannerisms from their social groups). Finally, there's what I call the "eye thing". When you see someone on the street or wherever, you glance at them, but a straight guy will typically immediately look away from another guy (nothing interesting there), but their gaze will probably linger a fraction of a second longer on a woman, and, if it's a woman he finds attractive, he'll "scan" her (the old look you up and down). It's that little extra moment of lingering eye contact that's often the tip-off. Doesn't mean you want to have sex with them, it just means your reptile brain is doing a "possible mate or not?" assessment.

Finally, as to if coming out is hard...guess what, it IS hard. Many people are still rejected by family and friends whenthey come out. Hell, some studies indicate it might even affect your likelihood of getting a job interview. In some communities it's worse than others. Yes, it's been getting easier in recent years, but that doesn't make it EASY. Until you realize the casualness with which a lot of people still make rude remarks about gay people and gay sex (^^^"cornhole"), and that people still get beat up for being or being perceived to be gay (even here in liberal San Francisco), you have no idea how tough it is to come out.
 
^ I don't remember Uhura reacting to Ilia's presence at all. Certainly not like Decker, Chekov and Sulu did.
Well, she did do that very slow, kinda creeped-out headfake when she turned around and said "She's... Deltan, captain." I hadn't thought so before, but reading this thread I suppose that might be interpreted as Uhura bracing herself for a hammerblow of happy vibes.
 
I can't imagine how hard it would be to come out. I can't imagine that any straight person has any idea how hard it would be. Phrases like "can't unring that bell" come to mind.
 
Yeah, once you're out, you're out, and short of people going along with the denial, there's no way to hide in that closet again.

Of course, I think it's sad that people still have to hide simply because they love someone.
 
^ I don't remember Uhura reacting to Ilia's presence at all. Certainly not like Decker, Chekov and Sulu did.
Well, she did do that very slow, kinda creeped-out headfake when she turned around and said "She's... Deltan, captain." I hadn't thought so before, but reading this thread I suppose that might be interpreted as Uhura bracing herself for a hammerblow of happy vibes.

I thought it was more like she was anticipating Kirk's reaction to Ilia, since Kirk is such a horndog. :lol:
 
^ I don't remember Uhura reacting to Ilia's presence at all. Certainly not like Decker, Chekov and Sulu did.
Well, she did do that very slow, kinda creeped-out headfake when she turned around and said "She's... Deltan, captain." I hadn't thought so before, but reading this thread I suppose that might be interpreted as Uhura bracing herself for a hammerblow of happy vibes.

I thought it was more like she was anticipating Kirk's reaction to Ilia, since Kirk is such a horndog. :lol:
Or... "I'm really going to see a mastfest in here... lousy new uniforms!" Those TMP uniforms left nothing to the imagination... "He's snipped... he isn't..."
 
Not always and not exclusively.
People do not pick their sexual orientation.
But Bi isn't considered gay, even by the gay community.
As a lifelong member of the "gay community," yes bisexuals are considered by gays to be gay. Gay does just mean boy on boy. Gay has come to be an umbrella term, I have transgender friends who are sexually heterosexual, but because they are transgender they are in fact gay.

Most Bi folk I know wind up picking on eventually when the novelty wears off.
If a bisexual enters into a LTR with a person of one gender, their bisexuality doesn't end. Any more than when a man marrys a woman, he heterosexually noticing of women he's not married doesn't stop. Not acting on the attraction simply shows the ability to have personal control.

I am a bisexual transgender who is in a "heterosexual relationship" ... still gay.

who took a huge risk by coming out which is completely naïve, especially in 2011.
To be fair, it likely far less of a risk than it would have been even a decade ago. Also, being a celebrity Quinto's dating habits are under scrutiny by the entertainment press, his "gayness" has been noticed for well over a year.
 
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