There is something I don't understand: at the beginning of the movie, Count Dooku kidnapped Palpatine, but Palpatine is Lord Sidious, and Sidious is the guy that Dooku reports to in Episode 2. So how come Dooku kidnapped his own master?
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According to the book, the plan Dooku was given was that he would neutralize Kenobi, then basically do what he did with Anakin: goad him into using his anger to increase his fighting prowess. Then, they were supposed to work together to turn Anakin to the dark side.
Little did Dooku know, he wasn't aiding in the recruitment of a partner... but of his replacement.
Little did Dooku know, he wasn't aiding in the recruitment of a partner... but of his replacement.
It's a trap. Kill Kenobi and push Anakin to Sidious.
Yeah, I thought it was pretty clear in the movie the "kidnapping" was staged.
It was cut from the film, but when he glances at Palpatine before being beheaded, he said something like "But you promised me amnesty", according to one of the issues of the official Star Wars Magazine that was covering the filming. That line was also in the novelization.
They were not shy of putting spoilers in the official coverage of the movies back then. I wish I still had those magazines.
They were not shy of putting spoilers in the official coverage of the movies back then. I wish I still had those magazines.
You can clearly tell Dooku is shocked that Palpatine's going off script.
ROTS is made twice as good when viewed immediately after reading James Luceno's "Labyrinth of Evil", a prequel to EP III which takes place immediately before that movie and ties up a ton of loose ends. Matt Stover's novelization of EP III is pretty good too.
Not only was it staged, it's not even the first time they did it.
Goodness knows what Dooku thought it was all about, but for Palpatine it was a litmus test of sorts for Anakin, to see how close to the dark side he could be pushed.
Goodness knows what Dooku thought it was all about, but for Palpatine it was a litmus test of sorts for Anakin, to see how close to the dark side he could be pushed.
Thanks for the reply. I didn't get any email notice from this thread. Anyhoo, being too lazy to start another thread, since this Palpatine is killed in Return of the Jedi, who's that Emperor Palpatine in Rise of the Skywalker? I think it says it's a clone? if so, who clone him?
It is suspected that we are getting that detail explained over the course of several series. The Bad Batch, The Mandalorian for example have hints about the Empire's cloning experiments. What the Sith Eternal did with them will probably come up at some point to show that Palpatine did plan ahead with Snoke and his own clones. Rey's father seems to have been a "failed" cloning attempt that happened at some point prior to A New Hope.
No, Palpatine in TROS was the clone. When Palps was thrown into the DS2 his sprit fled to Exogol to inhabit a clone body.
The body is a clone, but not his spirit. He was the one who had the clone made.
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Darth_Sidious#Cheating_death
You can probably find the answer to most of your questions on Wookieepedia.
Yeah, he had no force sensitivity which is why he was considered to be a failure.
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Which makes his death in TROS feel less than 100% definitive. If his spirit can go from Endor to Exegol, can't it go from Exegol to somewhere else?
No because Exogol was his only contingency, his spirit was also destroyed
He seems like the kind of guy who would have contingencies within contingencies.
Personally, I'd go one step further and say that he was indeed utterly annihilated over Endor, force presence and all. That what was on Exogol was a copy of his consciousness, bound to the Sith Throne like the Nightsister phantoms to their alter, or Eternal Rur to it's crystal.
Remember that the Sith don't believe as the Jedi do: that ones energy returns to the cosmic force at death. They think death means utter oblivion and there is nothing beyond the physical (hence their constant desperate attempts to escape death.) Moving their (for lack of a better term) soul over such a distance after death would require doing so through the cosmic force, and that path should be barred to them. Sith are pathologically incapable of letting go of the material plain.
We know that Palpatine took a keen interest in more occult-esque, and ritualistic applications of the force, including specifically the Nightsister's Magiks. We also know he had some kind of arrangement with Mother Talzin before betraying her. So that all tracks.
That thing on Exogol being a neural map, encoded, stored, and bound to an ancient Sith artefact, unable to leave, or even keep the clone bodies it possesses alive, just makes more sense than anything else. Whatever it thinks it is, it's no more Sidious reborn than Boba and Omega are Jango reborn. It's a remote copy puppeteering a meat suit. A sad abomination surrounded by fanatical cultists and the dusty shrines of a hundred other dead Sith Lords that thought they'd be the ones to cheat oblivion.
Just from a narrative and thematic standpoint, I don't like the idea that Palpatine survived in any form and thus undermining Anakin's redemption. So having it be the legacy of Palpatine and another one of his contingencies, sits with me a little better.
I mean I'd prefer not to even go down this "somehow Palaptine returned" route at all in the first place, but here we are all the same.
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But ultimately Anakin's redemption is in no way contingent upon Palpatine surviving or not surviving, it's about his relationship to the Force.Reverend said:
OS: "The galaxy rejoiced when he died at the Battle of Endor, but Sidious had cheated death and patiently plotted a return to power."
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