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Question for Old Trekkies

To the OP, thank you for starting this thread. I saw the film last night and desperately wanted to get into a conversation about it but -- contrary to what some might feel -- I really did feel there was a lot of polarization happening already; a lot of us vs. them, and I just didn't feel like getting flamed, to be frank.

Like one of the posters above, I'm not much of a gamer, but I understand what you're getting at regarding the pacing, and I agree to some extent. There were many things I liked about this movie, and some I didn't. But, I just don't have any strong feelings either way, to be honest. And I guess that's what surprises me the most. I've been a fan since I was very young, and caught an ep or two of TOS season 3. Became addicted during the reruns in the early 70s. I've been passionate about Trek most of my life, and can argue points of the various series and movies with the best of 'em. But I just felt this one was, meh, okay.

As I said to a friend walking out of the movie, there were lots and lots of little things I thought were great; mostly "tips of the hat", as it were, to the series, prior movies, and especially to character traits as established by Shatner, Nimoy, Kelly, etc. And there were story elements I liked (and some I didn't.) Mostly, though, I thought the story, itself, was maybe on a par with some of the middling series episodes. Which was fine. But, it did leave me wondering where all these rave reviews are coming from.

Again, I want to be clear. I'm not trashing the movie. I'm not saying I didn't like it. I'm just saying that, to me, it was just ... okay. Certainly better than Nemesis and Insurrection (and The Final Frontier and The Search For Spock, all imho, of course), but that was about it.

All of that having been said, I agree wholeheartedly with this comment, as well:

But I'd like to see another movie with these actors, and I'd love to see a series with them and this timeline. How 'bout you?

One other comment I made to a friend after the movie was that, while I could see the attempts to bring some of the "TOS feel" to the movie (the humor, especially), it didn't quite make it for me. That's okay. The seeds are there. In fact, I think the seeds are there for something really fun to develop from this. I'm one of the few "old timers" I know who has no problem with the creation of this alternate timeline as a way of revisiting what we have heretofore know as the TOS era. I think they could well do some wonderful things with the groundwork they've laid here, and I'm going to look forward to seeing where they take things in the next movie.

Hmmm ..., it just occurred to me: this movie felt a little like a "pilot" episode of a new series. Ya know when you watch pilot ep for a series and you see some good stuff and some stuff that eventually disappears or is changed for the series, itself? How it's sometimes obvious that the actors and writers are trying to find their footing? That's sort of how this felt. And, I suppose that's appropriate. And, if this does turn out to be just the beginning of a whole new series of movies (or TV series, though I find that less likely), I think that would make me happy. For what it's worth.
 
Well I'm 51 and watched Trek in it's original run. LOVED the new movie. It's everything that Star Trek should be. Yes it was made for a younger audience. I fully accept that I'm no longer in the target group and I have no issue with that at all. We all age, we all get old, we all look to the past fondly. But this new film is my Star Trek reborn and I'm thrilled that it's back.

I couldn't have said it any better. It was the most fun I've had at the movies in a loooooong time.
 
I've been watching "Star Trek" since the '70s re-run era, and having seen all 736 episodes multiple times, I think this movie is in the top 10 percent.

You will never find concensus among "Star Trek" fans on anything. My favorite all-time Trek episode is DS9's "The Visitor" (another tragic story about someone using time travel to change the past). Ten other fans would likely name 10 different episodes as their favorites.

A lot of people thought "Star Trek IV" was one of the best movies, but I thought the comedy was a little over-the-top and the musical score was ridiculous, but that's just my opinion. Likewise, I'm not a big "Tribbles" fan.

I've always liked the darker, more menacing, end-of-the-universe type of episodes, like "Yesterday's Enterprise," "Timeless," and "The Best of Both Worlds." Tribbles and whales I could do without.

So it's totally expected that some people love the new movie, and some people hate it, just like with every other movie. Everyone brings their own personal experiences when they see a movie.

Now, I don't care if everyone likes or doesn't like the same episodes and movies that I do. I'm sure "Star Trek" means different things to different people for different reasons. (But if you say "The Alternative Factor" was your favorite episode, I will make it my mission in life to destroy you.)
 
I'm 55 and watched TOS in the original run, and I loved this movie, too. Maybe since I still have a 16YO at home, as well as shared custody of my late son's 4YO daughter, I get more exposure to fast pacing, and have to play video games with them, so I didn't find the pacing to be overly fast. I was left wanting more - but, wow, isn't that a good thing?
Have to agree with dark Gilligan that "this new film is my 'Star Trek' reborn and I'm thrilled that it's back".
 
My first memory was watching Star Trek when I was 3. My father said, "There's a new TV show about space exploration. Want to watch it?" I've been hooked ever since.

I saw ST XI this past weekend and was pleasantly surprised. (Spock's still hot!) However, I think it's hard to get the TOS 'feel' in a 2-hour movie. TOS had 79 episodes to do that. And let me say that 'cheap' special effects and set designs go a long way in triggering the viewer's imagination, which may have subtle effects on how anything is perceived. (I actually miss the rock quarries in Dr. Who.)

William Shatner as Kirk, to me, was larger than life. Pine does a decent job, but Shatner/Kirk displayed such passion in the role that it made me believe he WAS a starship captain. In this, Pine/Kirk was eclipsed by Quinto/Spock, IMO. There's a lot to be said for understated passion, as well, which Nimoy exhibited perfectly.

The ST movie franchise has been seriously wanting in the area of "story." What made TOS so great was that many of the writers were science fiction authors, not mere screenwriters...which is the mistake Hollywood makes today, IMO, and the reason why blockbuster movies are so dependent on FX.

That said, however, I would enjoy watching more movies with this cast...but would love it if they worked with an established SF author.
 
I guess I would just qualify as an old-timer--one of my very first childhood memories is of watching a rerun of TOS "The Apple" in the early 70s.

I liked the movie just fine. I thought it was both a good Trek movie, and a good summer movie.

Not all of it worked for me. Kirk's birth was rather over-the-top, and some of the more overt attempts at humour fell flat. The story was a little thin. But overall, I thought it was above average.

...I'd like to see another movie with these actors, and I'd love to see a series with them and this timeline. How 'bout you?

Same here, yeah.

Yeah, me too.
 
I've stopped playing videogames when two-dimensional pacman was still brand new (was it 1988, 89? I was about five), and I liked the film's pacing just fine.
 
The pace was like a video game.

I find more and more films that are using this video game pace. All violence and excitement. The last Bond film is a perfect example.

Overall, I enjoyed the film very much. I agree with you on pacing. Its quite a departure from the sedate, sometimes slow motion pace of the typical Trek film.
 
I may not be an older than dirt trekkie I'm only 32 but I will say this. The trek that by many to be considered the best is TWOK. TWOK I felt had a very similiar pacing as XI. Now, I'm betting that as time goes on we will in fact get a slower paced movie. Remember, the same guy who brought you TWOK also wrote TVH. two movies with entirely different paces.
 
Well I'm 51 and watched Trek in it's original run. LOVED the new movie. It's everything that Star Trek should be. Yes it was made for a younger audience. I fully accept that I'm no longer in the target group and I have no issue with that at all. We all age, we all get old, we all look to the past fondly. But this new film is my Star Trek reborn and I'm thrilled that it's back.

I couldn't have said it any better. It was the most fun I've had at the movies in a loooooong time.

Agree with this. I'm 43, watched since TOS was first syndicated and TAS came on, and I loved this movie. It isn't perfect, but it's amazingly successful for what it's trying to do. Barring computer manipulation of sound and images that would give us new TOS adventures with the original cast, I don't see what else they could do.

And I'm glad to see TOS back. I lost interest in the franchise with the later shows, tried to hold on, but it just didn't keep me. These are the characters of my childhood, and they did a great job appealing to that nostalgia while still making something new.

My one gripe: I don't like the shaky-cam. But that's because I have aging eyes, and crappy glasses.

I thought Pine nailed Kirk. Quinto was OK as Spock, which I feel is a much harder charcter. And I LOVED Urban as McCoy. I was really worrying about that one, since McCoy has long been a favorite character.

Thanks for this thread.

oh, and for someone above who is sick of old fans gushing about the film, I think we're hearing it because there's an assumption that all the old fans hate it, and this film is for newer fans. I think that is a false assumption as well. Everybody has a shot to find something they love or hate about it.
 
yes but also they could do anything now, main cast members can die (even mainstay planets ;)), new ones introduced.

Yes, they could. I actually wouldn't bet against them killing off of the main characters in the next film. In fact, I'll be surprised if they don't.
 
I'm sorry, but I've seen a few examples, even before the film came out. There have been "You are not fully accepting? You must DIE" responses. Some people HAVE wanted blind acceptance on everyone's part. They're being foolish.

Personally, I would argue that both love and hatred are inappropriate responses to this film.

Anyone who feels that strongly about it, one way or another, needs to cut back on the Kool-aid.
 
Well I'm 51 and watched Trek in it's original run. LOVED the new movie. It's everything that Star Trek should be. Yes it was made for a younger audience. I fully accept that I'm no longer in the target group and I have no issue with that at all. We all age, we all get old, we all look to the past fondly. But this new film is my Star Trek reborn and I'm thrilled that it's back.

My sentiments (and history) exactly (although I'm only 45) - Now my only wish is that someone could re-boot me!
 
But I'd like to see another movie with these actors, and I'd love to see a series with them and this timeline. How 'bout you?

So would I.

I've been a Trekkie/Trekker/Whatever since I was probably two, according to my mother. I'd sit and watch the reruns of TOS on television, and force my parents to record the episodes on our betamax . I had the Mego six-inch figures, at least those that were still in circulation at Sears and Kmart in the early 80s. I listened to the old Power Records over and over again. Saw every movie when they came out. Watched TNG and DS9. Lost interest in VOY and early ENT.

TOS, however, will always be my series. My childhood imagination was ignited whenever the show was on. When I saw this latest movie in the theaters, I felt like a four-year old again, sitting with my Mego figures and watching the reruns of TOS. And that feeling of enjoyment I had when I originally watched the show is important to me, more than anything else.

I left the theater with one conclusion. My Trek was back.

Sure, the film isn't without it's flaws. My critique is few and far between.

TOS wasn't perfect either. It had plenty of flaws, and I recognize that. No rose-frosted specs here.

All this babble about "depth" and "messages" and "social consciousness" is just that, babble. Sure TOS had some of that, but it wasn't as deep, message-orientated, or socially conscious as people tend to attribute to it. A morality play at best. Was it good? Damn straight. Did it provide an introduction to deeper discussion? Sure, but only an introduction. TOS seldom went beyond the first layer of discussion nor did it make us uncomfortable or upset our sensibilities in its dialectic.

As for this being a "dumbed-down Trek," honestly I don't get that criticism. This movie is a far more simplistic and straight-forward Trek because it isn't towing all that canon baggage by tractor beam, but it's hardly "dumb."

Hell, TOS and it's various incarnations weren't the most literate of science-fiction stories. Good, yes. Literate, no. Hard SF, hardly. Space opera, you bet. TOS has been blasted for being dumbed-down science fiction by some of the best in LitSF.

It's always been entertainment. I'll never understand why this movie gets trashed for being exactly what TOS was -- entertaining, space adventure with interesting and compelling characters.

But that's me. As has been said before, your mileage may very.
 
Well, while I don't think I'm as old as the OP, I was around (albeit a toddler) when TOS originally aired. In fact, watching the episode "The Apple" on TOS while sitting on my mother's lap is one of my earliest memories.

However, I loved this movie. Loved every minute of it. And I quite liked the fast pace. The excitement levels were kept high, and that is what is expected of blockbuster scifi movies today. It's the way things are. And I've adapted to it - probably because I watch alot of different scifi franchises - not just Trek. Plus, as a LOST fan, I'm fairly used to JJ Abrams way of doing stuff...and the requirement to pay close attention or risk missing something.

As for Quinto and Pine - loved them both. Both were spectacular in their roles - better than I could have hoped for, in fact. However, I was particularly impressed with Pine. Shatner's are particularly big shoes to fill, and if Pine failed, this movie could easly have turned into a laughing stock.

That Pine nailed it...and nailed it with such spectacular charm and charisma, is a monumental accomplishment, IMO. He made Kirk his own. Something that took incredible amounts of guts to even attempt, let along conquer in such brilliant form.
 
I guess I would just qualify as an old-timer--one of my very first childhood memories is of watching a rerun of TOS "The Apple" in the early 70s.

Well, while I don't think I'm as old as the OP, I was around (albeit a toddler) when TOS originally aired. In fact, watching the episode "The Apple" on TOS while sitting on my mother's lap is one of my earliest memories.

:eek:
 
But the film as a whole lacked - elegance (for lack of a better word). It seemed "heavy handed" in some way. The pace was like a video game.

I find more and more films that are using this video game pace. All violence and excitement. The last Bond film is a perfect example.


But I'd like to see another movie with these actors, and I'd love to see a series with them and this timeline. How 'bout you?

The violence and excitement is what makes the movies these days. Ever notice that "Empire Strikes Back" seems to be the most popular because of the violence? Well, I have a feeling that "Star Trek" is going to follow suit because of the violence it had.
 
I guess I would just qualify as an old-timer--one of my very first childhood memories is of watching a rerun of TOS "The Apple" in the early 70s.

Well, while I don't think I'm as old as the OP, I was around (albeit a toddler) when TOS originally aired. In fact, watching the episode "The Apple" on TOS while sitting on my mother's lap is one of my earliest memories.

:eek:

Wow. Didn't see this earlier.

Scary. I mean, it's not even that great of an episode. :lol:

I think it stuck with me because the man-eating cave scared the everlovin' crap out of me as a tot.

But then, I was one of those toddlers who was scared to death by The Wizard of Oz and the Chipmunks standing out in the snow in poverty in one of their cartoons.

I was a wuss of ginormous proportions. ;)
 
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