Question for Old Trekkies

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies: Kelvin Universe' started by StarHarper, May 11, 2009.

  1. StarHarper

    StarHarper Captain Captain

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    Yes, I'm older than dirt. Yes, I saw the first episode of TOS the night it aired. And I know that there are others like me out there. So I'd like to know if you old Trekies got the same impression I did.

    Loved the ship. The casting was excellent. Script was good, but not great. Quinto nailed Spock. (Loved the "F-- You, Vulcan Science Academy" scene). Pine is a better actor than Shatner.

    But the film as a whole lacked - elegance (for lack of a better word). It seemed "heavy handed" in some way. The pace was like a video game.

    I find more and more films that are using this video game pace. All violence and excitement. The last Bond film is a perfect example.

    One more thing - as a classically trained musician I was disappointed in the music. Good for a video game - but the end title was a painfully "bumpy" mix of old and new music. The visual was also choppy. I know they were trying to imitate the original, but it was plain awful. (Jerry Goldsmith - we miss you!)

    But I'd like to see another movie with these actors, and I'd love to see a series with them and this timeline. How 'bout you?
     
  2. Tentacle

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    I would have to agree with you, although i'm not so much an older than dirt fan, but i certainly feel like one on this forum.

    People would try to bite your head off if you didnt like the film because the explosions are so cool!!!

    And I have to totally agree with the whole movie feel like a video game, I've been saying that on other threads.

    And i consider myself to be a gamer, but it seems that now a days people like their games just like their movies with bigger graphics and explosions with no attention paid to game play and story line.
     
  3. CommanderRaytas

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    No-one has been biting anyone's head off because they don't like the film. Emphasis on the don't.
     
  4. gastrof

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    Not that I'm all that familiar with video games (never got into them...doesn't appeal to me), but I know what that line meant. I said something similar in my "digesting" thread/post. This may be a better way to describe it.

    This "video game" feel/approach/attitude/flavor almost offends me, but at the same time this IS Star Trek. It's speaking the language of the day, tho', so that it can make it thru life. In that sense it IS being cheapened, and I'll NEVER truly accept the two (three?) major losses this new reality includes.

    Stilll, I'll watch more of this Kirk and Spock, and as the OP said, I'd be more than happy to see THIS Kirk and Spock in a weekly TV series. (Not sure that'll ever happen, even with the roles recast yet again, but I'd want to see it, if it's more of this.)

    It's Star Trek. It's the original characters. They're where they belong, doing what they do. Give us more nu-TOS era stories.


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    I'm sorry, but I've seen a few examples, even before the film came out. There have been "You are not fully accepting? You must DIE" responses. Some people HAVE wanted blind acceptance on everyone's part. They're being foolish.
     
  5. CommanderRaytas

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    Well, since I'm a follower, I didn't notice that. Sorry. Throwing stones at people for liking or disliking something is dumb, I agree with you. I was just under the impression that the likers were actually trying to argue why they like it. I like to think that's what I'm doing.

    I just got some "you probably like Britney Spears because of her boobs" and that annoyed me somewhat.
     
  6. Tentacle

    Tentacle Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    I'm sorry if that annoyed you, but i just got annoyed with oh you are not a true trek fan cause you spelled the character's name wrong. As if that's not elitist. it always comes down to when people have nothing to add to the argument so i'll attack your spelling.

    But if you think wanting trek to have better story line and not just better graphics, and not dumb it down, so more people will want to watch. And trying to hold on to a timeline that's been with me for years and is some what sad to see it wiped out with the stroke of a pen is elitist then i guess i'm guilty.
     
  7. El Chupacabra

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    You know I am sick of reading reviews from long term fans that start with "I am a loyalist and I have been from the franchise from day one.....and I creamed my jeans over the movie". It's as if there is some implication from these people that long term fans like me who didn't just fall down in gushing admiration of the movie are somehow sad and wrong just because we either didn't like the picture or gave it an average review.
     
  8. El Chupacabra

    El Chupacabra Commodore Commodore

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    Bullshit. There are plenty out there who like the film who think that because there are a greater number liking than disliking that somehow makes those of us with problems some sort of basement dwelling retards who can't get with the cool kids.
     
  9. El Chupacabra

    El Chupacabra Commodore Commodore

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    I'll gladly join you in that.
     
  10. CommanderRaytas

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    I never said that, too, please pay attention. I just think that if you're going to be militant in your defending TOS, you should try to get your facts straight. I did not mean to insult you as a person, but having someone judge my character because of my opinion about a film is insulting. The whole boobs line was fucking ludicrous anyway and that goes to show you presume to judge over someone you don't know the first thing about... that I'm a straight woman, for example.

    We can argue over timelines, but we can't question someone's intelligence over matters of taste.

    And for the record, I read your typo as chap-yule, and that was funny. Sorry if that offended you.
     
  11. CommanderRaytas

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    You should have read what I posted after that. Might have helped.
     
  12. erebus

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    yes but also they could do anything now, main cast members can die (even mainstay planets ;)), new ones introduced.

    They have the opportunity to run with this naturally without being mired in any old baggage and let star trek evolve naturally. They've proved that there is a core enduring essence to star trek that we have the exciting prospect of exploring further and i for one will go anywhere with them now.

    And the writers have expressed a wish to learn from the audience and i'm sure they will address any criticisms or comments you want to make.

    Sure the film was a bit crash bang wallop for my poor ears, but next time i'm going to invest in some ear plugs ;)
     
  13. Admiral Buzzkill

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    Same here, yeah.
     
  14. scottydog

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    As an old-timer, I knew that this new movie was targeting a younger audience and I feared that it would be all fast-paced-flash and no substance. But much to my relief -- and delight -- we got plenty of substance, and thankfully the substance we did get was not overwhelmed by the amount of flash.
     
  15. Australis

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    Another ancient. I liked the film a lot, not perfect, but better than previous.

    Now they just need Andy Griffith in a cameo so I can shout "MAAAATTLOOOOCKKK!!".

    And yes, the problem was pace. IF it had been half an hour longer, they could have included more backstory and slowed down the editing.

    TV and movie companies being separate entities now, don't expect a TV series based on the movie anytime soon.
     
  16. indranee

    indranee Vice Admiral Admiral

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    I'm ancient as well. this movie has its flaws, sure. but it's what was needed at THIS point of the franchise.
     
  17. Thomas Riker

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    I agree with the poster about the pace, I noticed this too. Don't get me wrong I loved the movie, but it never had a moment where I could catch my breath and analyse what had come before like most of the previous movies.
     
  18. Dark Gilligan

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    Well I'm 51 and watched Trek in it's original run. LOVED the new movie. It's everything that Star Trek should be. Yes it was made for a younger audience. I fully accept that I'm no longer in the target group and I have no issue with that at all. We all age, we all get old, we all look to the past fondly. But this new film is my Star Trek reborn and I'm thrilled that it's back.
     
  19. Borgminister

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    I feel... young.

    Pine was great as Kirk, but I'm not going to call him a better actor (in the role) than Shatner (yet).
     
  20. indranee

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    Shatner is the better actor, IMO. Pine is a good actor and has got a ways to go.